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Israel found guilty of genocide

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Yes.
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No.
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other
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Amerique Royal
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Postby Amerique Royal » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:00 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Amerique Royal wrote:Wikipedia? Uh..it's working pretty fine. Is something wrong with your computer?


Not Wikipedia. Apparently, they also have a website: http://criminalisewar.org/

Lel. Probably couldn't pay to keep the site up. "CriminaliseWar" screams of idiocy.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:03 pm

Amerique Royal wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Not Wikipedia. Apparently, they also have a website: http://criminalisewar.org/

Lel. Probably couldn't pay to keep the site up. "CriminaliseWar" screams of idiocy.


Well, I got access to the paper of the "tribunal"; the Amicus Curiae sounds more like a lesson in Jurisprudence than an actual Amicus Curiae:

http://criminalisewar.org/files/Judgeme ... nocide.pdf

It made me laugh.
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Amerique Royal wrote:Lel. Probably couldn't pay to keep the site up. "CriminaliseWar" screams of idiocy.


Well, I got access to the paper of the "tribunal"; the Amicus Curiae sounds more like a lesson in Jurisprudence than an actual Amicus Curiae:

http://criminalisewar.org/files/Judgeme ... nocide.pdf

It made me laugh.


If you criminalize war, then only outlaws will wage war. Is that what you want?

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:06 pm

Luveria wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Well, I got access to the paper of the "tribunal"; the Amicus Curiae sounds more like a lesson in Jurisprudence than an actual Amicus Curiae:

http://criminalisewar.org/files/Judgeme ... nocide.pdf

It made me laugh.


If you criminalize war, then only outlaws will wage war. Is that what you want?


Yes.
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Melanocytes
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Postby Melanocytes » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:10 pm

Why accuse Israel when turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide and how they massacred other races?
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:12 pm

Melanocytes wrote:Why accuse Israel when turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide and how they massacred other races?


Don't you mean other ethnicities?

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South Kilinsky
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Postby South Kilinsky » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:12 pm

Melanocytes wrote:Why accuse Israel when turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide and how they massacred other races?

The whole thing was a sham put on by anti-US/anti-Israel nuts that really wasn't a trial. The KLWCC has literally ZERO authority to make such a ruling, and the whole thing was staged in a pre-determined verdict.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:14 pm

South Kilinsky wrote:
Melanocytes wrote:Why accuse Israel when turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide and how they massacred other races?

The whole thing was a sham put on by anti-US/anti-Israel nuts that really wasn't a trial. The KLWCC has literally ZERO authority to make such a ruling, and the whole thing was staged in a pre-determined verdict.


You should probably read the case (on my prior posts); I bet Israel was scratching their heads going "what the fuck?" :lol2:
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:14 pm

Melanocytes wrote:Why accuse Israel when turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide and how they massacred other races?

Because Turkey isn't considered by some to be doing it right now, maybe.
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Postby The-United-Armed-Workers » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:15 pm

South Kilinsky wrote:
Melanocytes wrote:Why accuse Israel when turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide and how they massacred other races?

The whole thing was a sham put on by anti-US/anti-Israel nuts that really wasn't a trial. The KLWCC has literally ZERO authority to make such a ruling, and the whole thing was staged in a pre-determined verdict.

That is the equivalent of charging Germany for the actions of Prussia.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:16 pm

The-United-Armed-Workers wrote:
South Kilinsky wrote:The whole thing was a sham put on by anti-US/anti-Israel nuts that really wasn't a trial. The KLWCC has literally ZERO authority to make such a ruling, and the whole thing was staged in a pre-determined verdict.

That is the equivalent of charging Germany for the actions of Prussia.


That is a terrible comparison.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
Palestinians don't want to cooperate with Israeli government. They want to break away and use different measures for it, even bombs.


Then give them a vote and equal protection under the law.
If someone throws a bomb, put them in jail.
If they want to break away, they can do so by referendum.

If a Floridian shoots the president, we don't see the military occupation of florida and the US refusing to recognize it as a state, taking away the vote of all its citizens, etc.


If a Floridian shoots the President, he or she will claim he or she was Standing His or Her Ground and because a black President was on a sidewalk, he or she could claim he or she was feeling threatened.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:17 pm

Luveria wrote:
The-United-Armed-Workers wrote:That is the equivalent of charging Germany for the actions of Prussia.


That is a terrible comparison.


It makes sense.

It is a terrible comparison because it was meant to show how illogical it is :p
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South Kilinsky
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Postby South Kilinsky » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:17 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
South Kilinsky wrote:The whole thing was a sham put on by anti-US/anti-Israel nuts that really wasn't a trial. The KLWCC has literally ZERO authority to make such a ruling, and the whole thing was staged in a pre-determined verdict.


You should probably read the case (on my prior posts); I bet Israel was scratching their heads going "what the fuck?" :lol2:


:rofl: :rofl: Implying Israel had any knowledge of the case

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:18 pm

4years wrote:Kuala Lumpur Tribunal has no official status and no power. When the UN and the World Court declare Israel guiltily, call me.


Even if they did, the reaction would pretty much be the same. It's not the first time Israel would ignore the UN.
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:19 pm

South Kilinsky wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
You should probably read the case (on my prior posts); I bet Israel was scratching their heads going "what the fuck?" :lol2:


:rofl: :rofl: Implying Israel had any knowledge of the case


Which makes the Amicus Curiae even more hilarious :lol2:
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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Gauthier wrote:
4years wrote:Kuala Lumpur Tribunal has no official status and no power. When the UN and the World Court declare Israel guiltily, call me.


Even if they did, the reaction would pretty much be the same. It's not the first time Israel would ignore the UN.


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The Emerald Dawn
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Gauthier wrote:
4years wrote:Kuala Lumpur Tribunal has no official status and no power. When the UN and the World Court declare Israel guiltily, call me.


Even if they did, the reaction would pretty much be the same. It's not the first time Israel would ignore the UN.

At least the UN would be able to claim *some* standing.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Divair wrote:
Apollonesia wrote:The Israelis, unlike the Palestinians, prefer to settle things diplomatically.

(See also: Dozens of Israeli attempts at peace talks and land offerings which were unsuccessful due entirely to Palestinian stubbornness)

That's why we shot Rabin.



oh. wait.


Silly, Rabin was really a Palestinian surgically altered to look Jewish, he doesn't count.
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:23 pm

South Kilinsky wrote:
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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The Neo Jewish Empire
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Postby The Neo Jewish Empire » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:52 pm

Luveria wrote:
The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Maybe because if Israel really wanted to they could go invaded Lebanon, but they don't, Israel is past that, why would they commit genocide when we had to endure one.


:lol:

"Why would black people ever be racist when they had to endure racism?"

"Why would gay people ever be bigoted when they had to endure bigotry?"


Obviously you are not Jewish nor live in Israel. We here once had a American Jew come over and he and his followers wanted us to genocide the Palestinians, but we didn't, I remember attending one of those rallies, I was sick so were many of us, we were sick of genocide, anyway his idea didn't sway well with a majority of the population. In a poll I remember I was interviewed on the local news, as well as others, I remember the poll and the results were in favor of not carrying out genocide, and I remember they had a poll as to why, and it said the main reason is because they did not want people to endure what our people had to endure, they would wish it upon nobody, even if it was for revenge.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:56 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Luveria wrote:
:lol:

"Why would black people ever be racist when they had to endure racism?"

"Why would gay people ever be bigoted when they had to endure bigotry?"


Obviously you are not Jewish nor live in Israel. We here once had a American Jew come over and he and his followers wanted us to genocide the Palestinians, but we didn't, I remember attending one of those rallies, I was sick so were many of us, we were sick of genocide, anyway his idea didn't sway well with a majority of the population. In a poll I remember I was interviewed on the local news, as well as others, I remember the poll and the results were in favor of not carrying out genocide, and I remember they had a poll as to why, and it said the main reason is because they did not want people to endure what our people had to endure, they would wish it upon nobody, even if it was for revenge.


Do you have evidence of that?

"How dare you oppose the actions of the US government! Obviously you aren't an American!"

You have not addressed how bogus and flawed your reasoning is. You are implying that an ethnic group who has experienced genocide could not possibly inflict genocide upon anyone else.
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The Neo Jewish Empire
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Postby The Neo Jewish Empire » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:58 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Pan-Slavian Union wrote:
Look... I'm not a Historian, but any stable and unbiased person can tell that your argument is completely backwards.


As a Historian I can tell his argument is terrible.


Go to a concentration camp and tell me why would victims want to genocide. It's like the Jerry Sandusky case, one of the victims was molested, are you saying he would go and molest little boys?

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The Emerald Dawn
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:58 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
As a Historian I can tell his argument is terrible.


Go to a concentration camp and tell me why would victims want to genocide. It's like the Jerry Sandusky case, one of the victims was molested, are you saying he would go and molest little boys?

Yes, actually, it's quite common.

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Calimera II
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Postby Calimera II » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:59 pm

No. People should use their brains and stop being so stupid to blame Israel for everything what happened. I support Israel. Palestina has gone way to far. Firing hundreds of rockets every year to Israel, and cry when Israel fires one back.

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