Teens Arrested For Waiting For School Bus While Black

[The Emerald Dawn]

They were instructed by their coach, an authority figure, to stand there in order to catch a school bus.

Reading the article before commenting is generally recommended.

I'm aware of the coach's orders, but don't you think that if they get in touble for standing there, that the coach should've at least thought about something like that?

And when the coach came back and said, "Hey, I take responsibility, please no arrest kthx?"

Then what, the cops had to continue to arrest because "pulling out is a bad form of [law] control"?

[West Faristan3]

While this is no Trayvon Martin, this is still a fucked up story. Heres hoping the cops get fired.

[The USOT]

INB4 Fox News: It cant be because of race, we have a Black president!

[Luveria]

While this is no Trayvon Martin, this is still a fucked up story. Heres hoping the cops get fired.

It isn't enough of a reason to fire a police officer.

[Imperializt Russia]

I admit to the possibility that there is more to the story. However, considering the number of disturbing reports we've been seeing lately (two of which I linked in the OP), I'm uncertain as to the likelihood.

The "working while black" thing is just moronic on the police's part, and seeing as this is the same police department that uses SWAT teams for a few grams of cannabis and maybe a guard dog, I'm not surprised. Miami-Dade police are just ignorant and that's justified in the defendant's case. But the New York incident was a bit different. But, then again, white-collar crime is more common in areas like NYC, so despite the racial profiling, that was a slightly viable case.

Given this information, however, I'm not entirely satisfied. Let's go back to the infamous Trayvon Martin case. Black kid gets beaten up and shot in the street. Tragic, horrible crime in its own right. But a lot of people cried "racism" on that one, too, and evidence showed that there wa smore to that story, too. 17-year-old guy with a history of drugs and general bad things is in an area he shouldn't be, and the local neighborhood watch thinks he's doing the right thing by trying to get the guy out of his community. One thing leads to another, and Martin is killed because Zimmerman tried to play hero. Not because he's black, like everyone said, but because of a man trying to be a "good person".

I don't think the police officers were right to arrest the boys, but they were in an area they didn't need to be. I think the coach should have organized a different meeting place. Maybe if he did, all of this wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't have a third embarrassing "racial discrimination" case to worry about, and I wouldn't lose more faith in the American police as a whole.

Zimmerman had a violent history and enough hero complex to sustain the USMC, though the court for some reason deemed it as inadmissible evidence.

[Siaos]

I'm skeptical that this is really racism, and I have the feeling this isn't the whole story. News Companies love sensational stories about racism, whether they are complete or not.

If this is the whole story, then I feel sorry for those involved. The police officers should also be fired for the gross misuse of their powers, if they really did arrest them just for standing there.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

The "working while black" thing is just moronic on the police's part, and seeing as this is the same police department that uses SWAT teams for a few grams of cannabis and maybe a guard dog, I'm not surprised. Miami-Dade police are just ignorant and that's justified in the defendant's case. But the New York incident was a bit different. But, then again, white-collar crime is more common in areas like NYC, so despite the racial profiling, that was a slightly viable case.

Given this information, however, I'm not entirely satisfied. Let's go back to the infamous Trayvon Martin case. Black kid gets beaten up and shot in the street. Tragic, horrible crime in its own right. But a lot of people cried "racism" on that one, too, and evidence showed that there wa smore to that story, too. 17-year-old guy with a history of drugs and general bad things is in an area he shouldn't be, and the local neighborhood watch thinks he's doing the right thing by trying to get the guy out of his community. One thing leads to another, and Martin is killed because Zimmerman tried to play hero. Not because he's black, like everyone said, but because of a man trying to be a "good person".

I don't think the police officers were right to arrest the boys, but they were in an area they didn't need to be. I think the coach should have organized a different meeting place. Maybe if he did, all of this wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't have a third embarrassing "racial discrimination" case to worry about, and I wouldn't lose more faith in the American police as a whole.

Zimmerman had a violent history and enough hero complex to sustain the USMC, though the court for some reason deemed it as inadmissible evidence.

Furthermore, Trayvon Martin had every right to be walking down the street eating his Skittles and minding his own business. Not sure where you get "in an area he shouldn't be" from.

Fuck, I'm a pacifist who rejects the legitimacy of self-defense, but if someone interrupted my Skittling that might just piss me off that I forget about that and fight back too.

Skittles are sacred.

And I'm making a joke, yes, but the fact remains: Trayvon Martin had every right to be where he was and doing what he was doing at the time George Zimmerman attacked him without provocation.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The "working while black" thing is just moronic on the police's part, and seeing as this is the same police department that uses SWAT teams for a few grams of cannabis and maybe a guard dog, I'm not surprised. Miami-Dade police are just ignorant and that's justified in the defendant's case. But the New York incident was a bit different. But, then again, white-collar crime is more common in areas like NYC, so despite the racial profiling, that was a slightly viable case.

Given this information, however, I'm not entirely satisfied. Let's go back to the infamous Trayvon Martin case. Black kid gets beaten up and shot in the street. Tragic, horrible crime in its own right. But a lot of people cried "racism" on that one, too, and evidence showed that there wa smore to that story, too. 17-year-old guy with a history of drugs and general bad things is in an area he shouldn't be, and the local neighborhood watch thinks he's doing the right thing by trying to get the guy out of his community. One thing leads to another, and Martin is killed because Zimmerman tried to play hero. Not because he's black, like everyone said, but because of a man trying to be a "good person".

I don't think the police officers were right to arrest the boys, but they were in an area they didn't need to be. I think the coach should have organized a different meeting place. Maybe if he did, all of this wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't have a third embarrassing "racial discrimination" case to worry about, and I wouldn't lose more faith in the American police as a whole.

Zimmerman had a violent history and enough hero complex to sustain the USMC, though the court for some reason deemed it as inadmissible evidence.

Let us never look to Florida for excellence in Judicial conduct.

[Saiwania]

Oh, so it's all White people's fault is it?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Oh, so it's all White people's fault is it?

Yes. Every single last one of us.

Or wait, I'm Irish. Am I still White? Have we finished regressing back to the "Fantastic Founding Forefathers" era yet?

[Luveria]

Oh, so it's all White people's fault is it?

Strawman?

[Quintium]

I'm skeptical that this is really racism, and I have the feeling this isn't the whole story. News Companies love sensational stories about racism, whether they are complete or not.

This. Unfortunately, people have a way of exaggerating things and leaving out crucial details so that the story fits their political agenda.
These 'while black' stories are thrown around on the internet like a shitstorm, while overtly-racist murders of white people are left out of the media completely save for some local news stations.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm skeptical that this is really racism, and I have the feeling this isn't the whole story. News Companies love sensational stories about racism, whether they are complete or not.

This. Unfortunately, people have a way of exaggerating things and leaving out crucial details so that the story fits their political agenda.
These 'while black' stories are thrown around on the internet like a shitstorm, while overtly-racist murders of white people are left out of the media completely save for some local news stations.

Enter the apologism brigade.

Huzzah.

[Luveria]

This. Unfortunately, people have a way of exaggerating things and leaving out crucial details so that the story fits their political agenda.
These 'while black' stories are thrown around on the internet like a shitstorm, while overtly-racist murders of white people are left out of the media completely save for some local news stations.

Enter the apologism brigade.

Huzzah.

As a white person, I am entirely okay with accepting full responsibility for this incident. I will not attempt to blame it on the Liberal media distorting the facts.

[ScrewAllTheThings]

Oh, so it's all White people's fault is it?

And this is one of the reasons this cannot be debated peacefully...lol

[Siaos]

This. Unfortunately, people have a way of exaggerating things and leaving out crucial details so that the story fits their political agenda.
These 'while black' stories are thrown around on the internet like a shitstorm, while overtly-racist murders of white people are left out of the media completely save for some local news stations.

Enter the apologism brigade.

Huzzah.

1. Call others out on strawman
2. Use strawman yourself when it helps your argument
3. ????
4. Profit!

[The Emerald Dawn]

Enter the apologism brigade.

Huzzah.

1. Call others out on strawman
2. Use strawman yourself when it helps your argument
3. ????
4. Profit!

It's not a strawman.

But that's a nice try.

Also, I'm not Luveria. Nowhere near that sexy.

See, "Black people are racist too! So it doesn't count when we're racist!" isn't a valid argument, and calling it out isn't building a strawman. It's simply calling out an argument on being bullshit.

[Risottia]

INB4 Fox News: It cant be because of race, we have a Black president!

The Fox coverage of it will be more on the lines of:
"Foaming liberals attack the police to cover a suburban gang hellbent on destroying Christmas and America as ordered by Obama".

[Siaos]

1. Call others out on strawman
2. Use strawman yourself when it helps your argument
3. ????
4. Profit!

It's not a strawman.

But that's a nice try.

Also, I'm not Luveria. Nowhere near that sexy.

See, "Black people are racist too! So it doesn't count when we're racist!" isn't a valid argument, and calling it out isn't building a strawman. It's simply calling out an argument on being bullshit.

You were calling his strawman out by mocking his argument.
And once again, that wasn't his argument at all.

[Ralkovia]

Where in the article did it say they were waiting at the bus stop?

But let's be clear here, you have no evidence that it's racism other than the victims happen to be black. So what you're saying is that you've treated this situation differently based on race? So you're being prejudiced?

So rather than thinking, "Hey maybe this cop is a douchebag on a power trip" or "maybe the kids were doing something wrong" or "Maybe it's weird to have a gang of youth's hanging out this early in the morning" you've decided he must be racist and that's the reason. Possibly, and this might just be a possibility, you're the one whose racist.

No where in the article does it say that all 12 youths were black. You've assumed they were all black. Therein you assumed that the cops arrested them because they were all black. You have no evidence of them being all black.

So unless you have some other info, you need to source some shit.

http://www.usatodayhss.com/team/edison-technical-hs-rochester-ny/boys-varsity-basketball/photos-and-videos

That's some funny looking white boys.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=North+Clinton+Avenue+and+Main+Street+rochester+new+york&hl=en&ll=43.157048,-77.606212&spn=0.00181,0.003484&sll=45.543408,-122.654422&sspn=0.444835,0.891953&hnear=N+Clinton+Ave+%26+Main+St+E,+Rochester,+Monroe,+New+York&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.157151,-77.606399&panoid=rhsez_NpTreuL3X4Y1hGEA&cbp=12,210.86,,0,0

OH SHIT SON, is that some buses and stops I see? It bloody well is!

It's almost like, unlike you, I looked into this more than fingertip deep.

It's almost like, unlike you, I recognize a nation with a history of racial trouble having *gasp* racial trouble.

But excellent try here. Well done, champ.

And nowhere in the article did it say they waited at Clinton and Main Street. So nice try, but fail. I followed Main Street up and down, it's fucking far, lot's of bus stops, and lot's of stores.

Now onto your research. You said 12, my own precursory research found that there were 16. So again, you came up with this on the fly.

As to my assumption that not all the basketball players were black. I apologize. They were all black. I'm sorry, I unfortunately didn't stereotype and believed that there would be some white or hispanic people on the team. I was wrong.

It's almost like, unlike you, I believe that racial trouble will go away as long as we stop causing more racial tension by assuming everything is racist. Condemn racism when racism is admitted, but don't accuse racism where there is no proof or facts to support it yet.

It's almost like, unlike you, I believe in innocent until proven guilty. Both the boys and the police officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I believe you are prejudiced. You need to stop. You and racists carry the exact same mindset of judge first.

http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/story/ ... FIQSaIR19g

[ScrewAllTheThings]

INB4 Fox News: It cant be because of race, we have a Black president!

The Fox coverage of it will be more on the lines of:
"Foaming liberals attack the police to cover a suburban gang hellbent on destroying Christmas and America as ordered by Obama".

[Saiwania]

And this is one of the reasons this cannot be debated peacefully...lol

Oh well, soon enough Blacks will more likely be arrested by Hispanic police officers when they're the majority. I don't think Hispanics are as racist against Whites than they are against Blacks on average, but maybe I'll be proven wrong. I don't expect Asian Americans to have any problems because they have the highest household income and obviously will be respecting authority.

[The Emerald Dawn]

It's not a strawman.

But that's a nice try.

Also, I'm not Luveria. Nowhere near that sexy.

See, "Black people are racist too! So it doesn't count when we're racist!" isn't a valid argument, and calling it out isn't building a strawman. It's simply calling out an argument on being bullshit.

You were calling his strawman out by mocking his argument.
And once again, that wasn't his argument at all.

I'm skeptical that this is really racism, and I have the feeling this isn't the whole story. News Companies love sensational stories about racism, whether they are complete or not.

This. Unfortunately, people have a way of exaggerating things and leaving out crucial details so that the story fits their political agenda.
These 'while black' stories are thrown around on the internet like a shitstorm, while overtly-racist murders of white people are left out of the media completely save for some local news stations.

What part of this doesn't read, exactly, like "Black people are racist too! So it doesn't count when we're racist!" Because, after reading three different sites, including one that shows the boys (these are fucking children for christ's sake) were held on $200 bail on Thanks-fucking-giving for standing on a corner waiting for a bus because they dared tell an officer "I can stand on a sidewalk and wait for a bus".

If they were raping passing women, or stealing candy from babies, that'd be a different story.

They were charged with "blocking a store entrance". A crime I myself have been guilty of without arrest.

[Quintium]

See, "Black people are racist too! So it doesn't count when we're racist!" isn't a valid argument, and calling it out isn't building a strawman. It's simply calling out an argument on being bullshit.

That was completely beside my point. I never mentioned that.
What I did say was that there isn't even any indication that the police's motive in this case was racism. In fact, the race of the officers involved isn't even mentioned in this story and accusations of racism don't seem to have been made by any of the people who were involved in the actual incident. All this talk of supposed racism, in fact, seems to originate with the original poster on this forum. Not the basketball players, not their coach, not the police, not a judge, not even the article itself - the original poster on this forum was the first, here, to even think of a link with race.

So, unless there's more information on this story, I think it's just a lot of politically-motivated bullshit.

[Siaos]

Emerald Dawn, I would argue, but Quintium has it covered. And I agree with him.