Is Santa Real?

[Saint Kitten]

Da fuk did I jus read

[Al Horeya]

I have no idea what the fuck I just stumbled into.

My sentiments exactly...
Santa touched me inappropriately once, so I've chosen not to believe in him.

[Universal Socialism]

To be honest I don't see Santa Claus anywhere it looks like some random marketplace to me, at most perhaps theirs a festival going on. How about we end this debate, for it seems neither of us are getting anywhere with this.

He proved that Sanaa exists.

How is that proof when Santa was not even in the freaking photo? Also the reason I wish to end the debate is because I probably really should stop wasting my time on people on an argument i can't win. I might as well be debating the existence of lepricons, and at that point it just becomes so ridiculous that theirs no way to make a logical argument to either side.

[Uelvan]

He proved that Sanaa exists.

How is that proof when Santa was not even in the freaking photo? Also the reason I wish to end the debate is because I probably really should stop wasting my time on people on an argument i can't win. I might as well be debating the existence of lepricons, and at that point it just becomes so ridiculous that theirs no way to make a logical argument to either side. By the way I don't like my quotes being changed Aeken.

Sanaa is a city in Yemen.

[New West Guiana]

Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus
By Francis P. Church, first published in The New York Sun in 1897. [See The People’s Almanac, pp. 1358–9.]

Dear Editor—
I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, “If you see it in The Sun, it’s so.” Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus?
Virginia O’Hanlon
Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.

[Aeken]

How is that proof when Santa was not even in the freaking photo? Also the reason I wish to end the debate is because I probably really should stop wasting my time on people on an argument i can't win. I might as well be debating the existence of lepricons, and at that point it just becomes so ridiculous that theirs no way to make a logical argument to either side. By the way I don't like my quotes being changed Aeken.

Sanaa is a city in Yemen.

Damn it, you spoiled it.

[Abatael]

I don't think Santa Claus is real. But I do believe Saint Nicholas was a real person.

[Universal Socialism]

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Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus
By Francis P. Church, first published in The New York Sun in 1897. [See The People’s Almanac, pp. 1358–9.]

Dear Editor—
I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, “If you see it in The Sun, it’s so.” Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus?
Virginia O’Hanlon
Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.

Whats in your mind is not whats in the world. Your belief in something makes no difference to it being real or not. I shall end this debate at this.
Whats real is real, and whats an illusion is an illusion whether we like it or not. In other words whether imaginary beings make you feel happy or not is irrelivent to whether its true or not.

[Fartsniffage]

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Whats in your mind is not whats in the world. Your belief in something makes no difference to it being real or not. I shall end this debate at this.
Whats real is real, and whats an illusion is an illusion whether we like it or not. In other words whether imaginary beings make you feel happy or not is irrelivent to whether its true or not.

“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."

REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.

"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"

YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.

"So we can believe the big ones?"

YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.

"They're not the same at all!"

YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.

"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"

MY POINT EXACTLY.”

[New West Guiana]

Whats in your mind is not whats in the world. Your belief in something makes no difference to it being real or not. I shall end this debate at this.
Whats real is real, and whats an illusion is an illusion whether we like it or not. In other words whether imaginary beings make you feel happy or not is irrelivent to whether its true or not.

The way you see the world and the way you make your self is an illusion of your own creation. When you have nothing to believe in then the world would never change and life it self would not be worth living.

[SaintB]

He's dead, he drank too much coca-cola and ate too many cookies until he got diabetes. Because the American Healthcare system is such shit he couldn't afford to keep his treatments up (I mean he worked for fucking free right?!) and eventually died while in a coma caused by sugar shock.

[Occupied Deutschland]

He's dead, he drank too much coca-cola and ate too many cookies until he got diabetes. Because the American Healthcare system is such shit he couldn't afford to keep his treatments up (I mean he worked for fucking free right?!) and eventually died while in a coma caused by sugar shock.

Nah, Coca-Cola wanted to keep him on as a sponsor. They're paying for his insulin shots now as long as he poses for a photoshoot they can slap on a can every November and requires his elves drink only Coke products.

[The Corparation]

Sorry to disappoint you, but Santa only exists in his current form because he wants you to buy more coca-cola. Before the 1940s, you had Krampus, and that SUCKED.

Urban Legend, there are depictions of Santa as a jolly fat man in red with a white beard that predate those Coke ads.

[Mushet]

Santa Claus is real and he is Inuit, I've talked to him, he doesn't understand why people think he's a fat white man, he blames Coca Cola.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Santa Claus is real and he is Inuit, I've talked to him, he doesn't understand why people think he's a fat white man, he blames Coca Cola.

He has a sled of huskies, though.

[Mushet]

He proved that Sanaa exists.

How is that proof when Santa was not even in the freaking photo? Also the reason I wish to end the debate is because I probably really should stop wasting my time on people on an argument i can't win. I might as well be debating the existence of lepricons, and at that point it just becomes so ridiculous that theirs no way to make a logical argument to either side.

The problem is you seem to be taking this thread way too seriously

[Edward Richtofen]

Of course Santa is real.NORAD tracks the bastard every year as he blatantly violates US Airspace. I'm still confused why they've never launched Interceptors.

[Mushet]

Santa Claus is real and he is Inuit, I've talked to him, he doesn't understand why people think he's a fat white man, he blames Coca Cola.

He has a sled of huskies, though.

Way better than reindeer for their purpose *nods*

[Edward Richtofen]

He has a sled of huskies, though.

Way better than reindeer for their purpose *nods*

I had reindeer in Finland once, they didn't live up to my expectation

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Way better than reindeer for their purpose *nods*

I had reindeer in Finland once, they didn't live up to my expectation

Indeed. Too stringy.

[Estado Paulista]

Are you real?

[Fartsniffage]

Are you real?

None of are. It's a site full of bots plus you.....

[Seljuq Kyiv]

You might not be real yourself.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Ah, I can't help but put forth a small reply before bed. Too much anti-faith in this thread already.

Santa is real but not everything pop culture and propaganda says about Santa is true. Santa does give gifts to those who are worthy and he has high standards. My personal belief is that only a small percentage of the population actually gets gifts from him since his standards are higher than people expect. People DO get gifts from Santa but.....some parents of unworthy children fake it so their children think they are getting gifts from Santa. That is where the anti-Santa myth comes from.

Another thing is that Santa is a supernatural being that is not bound by the laws of "science" or "physics" as some call it. My personal opinion is that his power comes from God, and with God anything is possible. I believe that he may even have the ability to manipulate the memories of certain parents, such as planting false memories of buying a toy Santa gives a worthy child. No science can disprove Santa because he is above science.

Remember you must have FAITH in Santa. By his own doing you will never get 100% proof of his existence.

Do you know that I love you?

I'm going to sig this, right on heartbeat.

[Ruridova]

This is an out-there topic even for NationStates...