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Is Santa Real?

Postby Ausira » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:01 am

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/ ... _Real.html

Article #1
Hello and Happy Holidays to Everyone...
Its been a bit slow lately so I did some side research on a Seasonally correct topic.

A lot has been said about the 'Myth' that is Santa Claus but have we had any real hard evidence that he exists?

We all know that if enough people believe in something, it does give something 'reality' and millions of kids and adults around the world cannot all be wrong can they?

The US Postal Service does indeed handle mail to Santa... has anyone (other than the movie "Miracle on 34th Street" where the lawyer used the Post Office to prove his case) ever asked "Where does it go?" So here we have ONE government agency that recognizes his existence.

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WASHINGTON, DC - Santa Claus has a lot in common with the United States Postal Service. Santa's customer satisfaction levels directly relate to consistent, on-time delivery. Neither rain nor snow nor heat nor gloom of night keeps Santa and his dedicated helpers from providing joy at millions of homes the world over. While Santa's been doing it a bit longer than the Postal Service, for more than two centuries he's relied almost exclusively on U.S. Postal Service letter carriers to bring him letters from girls and boys all across America.

This holiday season will be no different. The Postal Service is gearing up for a huge mail delivery to the North Pole to help Santa and his elves get ready for the big day.

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Letters addressed to Santa at the North Pole, AK - as well as other holiday mail - can be given directly to letter carriers. They don't have to be placed in collection boxes or taken to the Post Office. And, as always, families with curbside mailboxes can put mail in their mailboxes for pick up.

Postal elves at the nearby North Pole Post Office will postmark Santas replies and mail them back to the children.


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2000 ... technology
In his book, Unweaving The Rainbow, Richard Dawkins boasts that he tried to tell a six-year-old child that Father Christmas didn't exist. His argument was that Father Christmas would not be able to climb down all those chimneys and tiptoe noiselessly to the bedsides of hundreds of millions of children, all in one night. There simply wouldn't be enough time, even if reindeer were hypersonic.
Well, apart from being a somewhat cruel thing to do to a small child (the distinguished professor for the public understanding of science should pick on someone his own size), the argument is, to be charitable, an incomplete explanation. Dawkins may be no slouch when it comes to evolution, but he knows (by his own admission) rather less about physics. Of course Father Christmas exists, and he can visit arbitrarily as many children has he pleases in as short a time as is convenient, barring mid-air reindeer pile- ups. The reason is that Father Christmas is a Macroscopic Quantum Object.

Let me explain. It is a feature of the quantum world that particles - such as electrons - can be in more than one place at a time, provided that nobody is watching. In a famous experiment known as the "two-slit" test, physicists have been able to fire a single particle at an opaque plate with two separate slits in it. The diffraction pattern seen on the other side of the slits suggests that the particle passes through both holes at once and interacts with itself. However, if detectors are placed at the slits, to see which slit the particle passes through, the diffraction pattern disappears, and the particle can be seen to pass through either one slit or the other, but not both.

The key lies in the fact of observation. Provided that nobody seeks to measure the effect with more than a certain amount of precision, the particle keeps all its options open. But if someone looks too closely, the particle makes its choice. In the language of physics, its quantum wavefunction collapses.

Now, let's think of Father Christmas as a particle, obeying the rules of the quantum world. Following the logic of the two-slit experiment, it is perfectly possible for him to visit all the good children of the world simultaneously, provided that he does so unseen. If he is spotted, his wavefunction will collapse and he will be revealed as your Dad with a comedy beard after all. The quantum nature of Father Christmas explains the taboo against seeing him do his job - which Dawkins does not explain.

But there's more. It is possible to object that Father Christmas is far too large, rubicund and jolly to be a particle. In the real-life, macroscopic world of people, elves and flying reindeer, the quantum behaviour of each of the squillions of particles from which we are made averages out, so what we see is the everyday phenomenon of causes preceding effects, and people who can never be in two places at once.

Cynics might attribute this last consequence to the deficiencies of Railtrack, but it is a fact that real people, even bearded men with red hats and big boots, tend to be found in discrete locations, irrespective of whether they are being watched or not.

This objection doesn't wash, however, because it is possible to have macroscopic quantum objects that are larger than single particles. Scientists have managed to choreograph large clusters of atoms to behave as if they were just one particle, in a kind of nanoscopic Busby Berkeley routine. Admittedly, these clusters are too small to see with the naked eye, let alone qualify as cheerful red- faced men with sacks full of gifts, but the point is made.

Importantly, these macroscopic quantum objects observe the rules of the quantum world when cooled to within a whisker of absolute zero - minus 273 C. Any warmer than this, and the choreography breaks down and the clusters behave like any old bunch of atoms.

Nevertheless, in this frigidity might lie an explanation for another feature of Father Christmas that Dawkins neglects to explain - the undeniable fact that Father Christmas traditionally inhabits cold places, such as Lapland or the North Pole. OK, so neither of these places gets as chilly as absolute zero, but it must count for something that no deserving child would address their wish list to hot places such as, say, Borneo or Brazil. The very idea is quite ridiculous. QED (which stands for Quantum Electrodynamics, as any fule kno.)


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Is he real?
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I think he is our God, and created us all in the name of gifts.
His elves has to be real, because they exist in every single religion. (Except monotheism)

This is a religion where there are TWO Gods. Saint Nick (Santa), and Mrs. Claws. That's my belief.

E: Not a troll thread, this is where we discuss if he's real. Not if he should be 'lied' about. (Heretics must be given coal)
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Postby Urontona » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:12 am

I think he is real, and should be treated like the God he is.
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:25 am

i just get annoyed at how people can miss the point so easily. even if we prove that there is a deity preforming the duties commonly attributed to santa, that does not prove that said diety is "santa". it could be someone else entirely, who is just getting ripped off by the santa PR machine. can you do anything to actually prove that this deity is the one you call santa?
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Postby Ausira » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:28 am

Souseiseki wrote:i just get annoyed at how people can miss the point so easily. even if we prove that there is a deity preforming the duties commonly attributed to santa, that does not prove that said diety is "santa". it could be someone else entirely, who is just getting ripped off by the santa PR machine. can you do anything to actually prove that this deity is the one you call santa?


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Seriously, though. Read the articles, silly goose. It explains it, and even the U.S. Government is trying to hide that Santa exists, so that parents actually WILL buy things for their children. But, on proof that the deity doing this is Santa, why... youtube has video clips of Santa going through chimneys. Strip-clubs too. "Ho, ho, ho!" He said, before he was thrown out. Santa doesn't actually say "Ho, ho, ho!" It was a legend from the strip-club made far-fetched.

But, proof is on youtube. Look it up, ya silly.
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Postby Akoz » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:31 am

Yes yes he is very real kids
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:31 am

I have no idea what the fuck I just stumbled into.

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Akoz wrote:Yes yes he is very real kids



Praise Akoz! How did you find out this revelation?
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Funny. I don't remember taking LSD this afternoon. :lol:
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:32 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:I have no idea what the fuck I just stumbled into.

Lianhua wrote:Funny. I don't remember taking LSD this afternoon. :lol:

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:33 am

I could have done this so much better, since I have an actual theory of Santa Claus. Anyways, I'm too tired to get on about it now so expect my ral reply tomorrow.

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Postby The Revolutionary Fighters of Intel » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:34 am

No Santa is not real, unless...

Unless, we are all Santa.
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Postby Ausira » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:34 am

Empire of Narnia wrote:I could have done this so much better, since I have an actual theory of Santa Claus. Anyways, I'm too tired to get on about it now so expect my ral reply tomorrow.


Santa will wait for you, fellow believer.

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The Grey Wolf wrote:I have no idea what the fuck I just stumbled into.

Lianhua wrote:Funny. I don't remember taking LSD this afternoon. :lol:

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Santa is love. Santa is life.

No, on a serious note, is he real? Explain why/why not, please!
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:35 am

All I see is yet more evidence that Richard Dawkins is a dick.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:35 am

Ausira wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/science/2000 ... technology
Let me explain. It is a feature of the quantum world that particles - such as electrons - can be in more than one place at a time, provided that nobody is watching. In a famous experiment known as the "two-slit" test, physicists have been able to fire a single particle at an opaque plate with two separate slits in it. The diffraction pattern seen on the other side of the slits suggests that the particle passes through both holes at once and interacts with itself. However, if detectors are placed at the slits, to see which slit the particle passes through, the diffraction pattern disappears, and the particle can be seen to pass through either one slit or the other, but not both.

The key lies in the fact of observation. Provided that nobody seeks to measure the effect with more than a certain amount of precision, the particle keeps all its options open. But if someone looks too closely, the particle makes its choice. In the language of physics, its quantum wavefunction collapses.

Now, let's think of Father Christmas as a particle, obeying the rules of the quantum world. Following the logic of the two-slit experiment, it is perfectly possible for him to visit all the good children of the world simultaneously, provided that he does so unseen. If he is spotted, his wavefunction will collapse and he will be revealed as your Dad with a comedy beard after all. The quantum nature of Father Christmas explains the taboo against seeing him do his job - which Dawkins does not explain.

But there's more. It is possible to object that Father Christmas is far too large, rubicund and jolly to be a particle. In the real-life, macroscopic world of people, elves and flying reindeer, the quantum behaviour of each of the squillions of particles from which we are made averages out, so what we see is the everyday phenomenon of causes preceding effects, and people who can never be in two places at once.


Then who delivers the presents?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:35 am

I feel like I just stumbled on a thread made full of acid. Too trippy.

Whatever drugs the OPs having, I want some of them.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:36 am

A fat guy who literally visits every house with a chimney? Plus, what about the faithful who live in trailers?

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Postby Girls und Nation » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:36 am

He used to be.
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Postby Ausira » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:36 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:


Santa, and his elves help him, of course.
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The Grey Wolf wrote:A fat guy who literally visits every house with a chimney? Plus, what about the faithful who live in trailers?


They have an exhaust pipe, no?
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Postby God Kefka » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:38 am

Part 1


S-A-N-T-A

Move the position of exactly one of the above letters and you get the REAL first name of Santa Claus (and his real identity)... Hint: it is a name you have heard before and it ends with a consonant...

Part 2

Now that you have his real first name... you can get his last name too. Look closely at this word:

C-L-A-U-S

Now focus on the fourth letter above. How do you switch that letter with a consonant letter and still keep almost the exact same pronunciation for the word above?

Part 3

Congratulations.

Next time someone talks to you about Santa Claus. You get to smile smugly and understand that you are one of the few who knows the true identity, real first name, and real last name of the being known as Santa Claus.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:39 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:A fat guy who literally visits every house with a chimney? Plus, what about the faithful who live in trailers?

Or tropical countries where chimneys aren't necessary at all in the first place.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:40 am

God Kefka wrote:Part 1


S-A-N-T-A

Move the position of exactly one of the above letters and you get the REAL first name of Santa Claus (and his real identity)... Hint: it is a name you have heard before and it ends with a consonant...

Part 2

Now that you have his real first name... you can get his last name too. Look closely at this word:

C-L-A-U-S

Now focus on the fourth letter above. How do you switch that letter with a consonant letter and still keep almost the exact same pronunciation for the word above?

Part 3

Congratulations.

Next time someone talks to you about Santa Claus. You get to smile smugly and understand that you are one of the few who knows the true identity, real first name, and real last name of the being known as Santa Claus.


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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:41 am

Ausira wrote:Santa is love. Santa is life.

No, on a serious note, is he real? Explain why/why not, please!

Actually, he's very much real. He's hipster-zombie Tojo Hideki. He gained a lot of weight after WWII, and submitted himself to his American overlords, thus explaining his white skin and /fabulous/ facial hair.
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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:A fat guy who literally visits every house with a chimney? Plus, what about the faithful who live in trailers?

Or tropical countries where chimneys aren't necessary at all in the first place.

Or people who don't even have homes?
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