Is Affirmative Action Racist?

[Vazdania]

Equal rights? No. It gives them preferential treatment. Equality does not equate to retribution.

You have no idea what affirmative action actually does, do you?

Race Based Affirmative Action is any policy or group of policies that take factors including race color or national origin when dealing with employment business or education in order to benefit one group.

Which is why it is inherently racist.


While I'm not arguing whether its a good or bad policy I'm merely stating race based affirmative action is inherently racist.

[Mavorpen]

You have no idea what affirmative action actually does, do you?

Race Based Affirmative Action is any policy or group of policies that take factors including race color or national origin when dealing with employment business or education in order to benefit one group.

Which is why it is inherently racist.

Too bad racist doesn't mean that.

Definition of racism in English
racism
Syllabification: (rac·ism)
Pronunciation: /ˈrāˌsizəm/
Translate racism | into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

[Vazdania]

Race-Based Affirmative Action is inherently racist.

Yep, I'd say people of low socio-economic status, whether they be black, hispanic, asian or even white, are more discriminated against than just ethnic minorities.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

[Galloism]

You have no idea what affirmative action actually does, do you?

Race Based Affirmative Action is any policy or group of policies that take factors including race color or national origin when dealing with employment business or education in order to benefit one group.

Actually, it benefits all groups who are discriminated against. That includes if an employer discriminates against white people.

Which is why it is inherently racist.


While I'm not arguing whether its a good or bad policy I'm merely stating race based affirmative action is inherently racist.

Wrong, because its class based not race based. EG, race is a protected class, and all races are protected from discrimination based on their race.

[Galloism]

Yep, I'd say people of low socio-economic status, whether they be black, hispanic, asian or even white, are more discriminated against than just ethnic minorities.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

Now I know for an absolute fact you have no idea what affirmative action is.

[Vazdania]

Race Based Affirmative Action is any policy or group of policies that take factors including race color or national origin when dealing with employment business or education in order to benefit one group.

Which is why it is inherently racist.

Too bad racist doesn't mean that.

Definition of racism in English
racism
Syllabification: (rac·ism)
Pronunciation: /ˈrāˌsizəm/
Translate racism | into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

ah well. In a broader sense, (perhaps I'm not using the correct word?) racism can mean treating one ethnic group or 'race' better than another.

[Vazdania]

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

Now I know for an absolute fact you have no idea what affirmative action is.

clearly you didn't read the whole damned sentence.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Yep, I'd say people of low socio-economic status, whether they be black, hispanic, asian or even white, are more discriminated against than just ethnic minorities.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

Affirmative action policies as they are practiced (at the least in the US, European laws I am not knowledgeable of) can already benefit all races.

[Mavorpen]

Too bad racist doesn't mean that.

ah well. In a broader sense, (perhaps I'm not using the correct word?) racism can mean treating one ethnic group or 'race' better than another.

Which doesn't happen under affirmative action.

White people aren't banned nor barred in any way from benefiting from AA.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

See, what he doesn't seem to understand is that these families immigrate here because of America's great policy which seeks out highly qualified immigrants (and it honestly is the primary reason for our STEM sector being as good as it is). Thus, comparing these families, who already have a significant advantage in education, income, etc. to minorities who are facing a disproportionate amount of problems against them, is naive.

If they are so great, why didn't these immigrants stay in their own countries and improve their own countries' standard of living? Could it be because they could become richer in the US than they could back home, despite any ill treatment that could be gotten from the majority as outsiders?

Because we can't change it despite our best efforts.

Seriously, this line of argument is so vapidly naive. "OH THEY SHOULD FIX THEIR OWN COUNTRIES INSTEAD OF DISOWNING US WHITEYS!" fucking seriously?

When people live in fear of violence, when children starve and have just enough to last them a day, when people in business and government are corrupt, there's not much options but to immigrate, and guess where it's better than down in Latin America or other countries? Here in the U.S. It's not a huge step mind you, but it is a step in the right direction.

Some of us came here as children from parents seeking a better future for us in another country because the life they experienced was shit down there. My dad is such an example. I am a U.S. Citizen now thanks to the fact he made the effort to give me and my brothers a better life, and not see us eating shit in a country who doesn't care for its own people, where gang violence is rampant, and where the best you can hope if you are not able to get in a national university and you don't have the means to go to private colleges is to earn 5 dollars a day.

For you to come and say "why are they leaving their country" just shows how little you know about other countries other than America, and I would suggest you looking at other countries before speaking about them.

[Galloism]

Now I know for an absolute fact you have no idea what affirmative action is.

clearly you didn't read the whole damned sentence.

Clearly you have no idea what affirmative action is, if you're under the impression it only benefits certain races.

[The Dutch Crusader]

Yep, I'd say people of low socio-economic status, whether they be black, hispanic, asian or even white, are more discriminated against than just ethnic minorities.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

I recall taking a black labor class, where we talked about African Americans after the civil war. It was interesting how poor whites were treated often just as bad.

[Vazdania]

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

Affirmative action policies as they are practiced (at the least in the US, European laws I am not knowledgeable of) can already benefit all races.

I never argued that they didn't?

I merely stated Race Based Affirmative Action is racist.

[Vazdania]

clearly you didn't read the whole damned sentence.

Clearly you have no idea what affirmative action is, if you're under the impression it only benefits certain races.

When did I ever state anything of the sort? I merely stated race based affirmative action is racist.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Affirmative action policies as they are practiced (at the least in the US, European laws I am not knowledgeable of) can already benefit all races.

I never argued that they didn't?

I merely stated Race Based Affirmative Action is racist.

Not what Affirmative Action is specifically.

[Galloism]

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

Affirmative action policies as they are practiced (at the least in the US, European laws I am not knowledgeable of) can already benefit all races.

In fact there was a rather well reported on Supreme Court case on the subject not too long ago, where white firefighters sued for race-based discrimination... and won.

[Mavorpen]

Clearly you have no idea what affirmative action is, if you're under the impression it only benefits certain races.

When did I ever state anything of the sort? I merely stated race based affirmative action is racist.

Which, is wrong. It would be racist if it treated a certain race as though they are inherent superior.

If you admit that it benefits all races, then it can't be racist.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Affirmative action policies as they are practiced (at the least in the US, European laws I am not knowledgeable of) can already benefit all races.

I never argued that they didn't?

I merely stated Race Based Affirmative Action is racist.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit.

That was rather poorly put then, especially that last part.

I'd actually agree that a affirmative action campaign would be better served in being targeted towards economic status rather than racial component of the workplace.

[Vazdania]

ah well. In a broader sense, (perhaps I'm not using the correct word?) racism can mean treating one ethnic group or 'race' better than another.

Which doesn't happen under affirmative action.

White people aren't banned nor barred in any way from benefiting from AA.

Under practiced affirmative action policies*

This is irrelevant to this argument.

[Mavorpen]

Affirmative action policies as they are practiced (at the least in the US, European laws I am not knowledgeable of) can already benefit all races.

In fact there was a rather well reported on Supreme Court case on the subject not too long ago, where white firefighters sued for race-based discrimination... and won.

And why quotas are illegal.

[Mavorpen]

Which doesn't happen under affirmative action.

White people aren't banned nor barred in any way from benefiting from AA.

Under practiced affirmative action policies*

This is irrelevant to this argument.

Wait, what? The fuck does this mean?

[Vazdania]

I never argued that they didn't?

I merely stated Race Based Affirmative Action is racist.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit.

That was rather poorly put then, especially that last part.

I'd actually agree that a affirmative action campaign would be better served in being targeted towards economic status rather than racial component of the workplace.

I suppose that was poorly put....I think what I meant to say, that socioeconomic affirmative action has the capacity to help all races, as opposed to a race based affirmative action program.

[Galloism]

Clearly you have no idea what affirmative action is, if you're under the impression it only benefits certain races.

When did I ever state anything of the sort? I merely stated race based affirmative action is racist.

Jesus. It was less than ten minutes ago:

Yep, I'd say people of low socio-economic status, whether they be black, hispanic, asian or even white, are more discriminated against than just ethnic minorities.

Socio-economic based affirmative action policies are far less discriminatory and racist then their counterpart, race based affirmative action...because they allow all races to receive a benefit. More over to me at least it seems like a longer term solution.

You said economic based ones are superior to race based ones because, drumroll please, "they allow all races to receive a benefit".

If you believe all races receive a benefit from race based affirmative action, you would need to say they "are the same as" instead of "superior to".

[The Electoral College]

Which doesn't happen under affirmative action.

White people aren't banned nor barred in any way from benefiting from AA.

Under practiced affirmative action policies*

This is irrelevant to this argument.

Is/ought?

[Vazdania]

Under practiced affirmative action policies*

This is irrelevant to this argument.

Wait, what? The fuck does this mean?

Affirmative Action CAN be entirely race based if it so chooses. It can take the race based form. I corrected you by stating that, "that doesn't happen under practiced policies. Just a matter of wording I suppose.