Is Affirmative Action Racist?

[Coccygia]

The majority of businesses who undertake Affirmative Action?

Because you know, white women benefit from AA the most by far out of any group.

That's simply an evasion of what he is trying to ask. Replace "White" with "White male"

Thanks, Sering.

[Norstal]

Affirmative Action's role is to provide incentive for businesses to diversify their workplace. This means that out of the top applicants, they choose those who they think can best diversify their workplace. It isn't, "well, between this stack of black applicants and this stack of white applicants, I choose the black ones."

As you have explained it, that's pretty much EXACTLY what it does. Who's going to choose white applicants to "diversify" their workplace?

They might choose white men who gone to a state university instead of from Harvard.

[Coccygia]

As you have explained it, that's pretty much EXACTLY what it does. Who's going to choose white applicants to "diversify" their workplace?

They might choose white men who gone to a state university instead of from Harvard.

Show me an instance of white males benefiting from AA. Or, better yet, some figures.

[Mavorpen]

They might choose white men who gone to a state university instead of from Harvard.

Show me an instance of white males benefiting from AA. Or, better yet, some figures.

Have fun.

[Britanno]

It's definitely racist, no doubt,

[Shaggai]

It's definitely racist, no doubt,

What's racist about it? I mean, in a world without other racism, it would be racist, and colorblindness would be the best option. But we don't live in that world.

[Treneria]

Racist? No. Stupid? Yeah.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Ah affirmative action, the lovely system were degrees, experience, and actual qualifications are an extremely distant second to race, sex, and quotas. In my opinion it should be banned. If that means a man gets a pay raise instead of a woman, then so be it. If a white guy gets hired before a black man, then so be it. If a black man gets hired before a white woman, then so be it. Whoever got hired obviously had better qualifications and whoever got the pay raise earned it. That's my opinion anyway.

I mean, think of it like this. You own a company and you have to hire a either a black man or a woman every year. No problem right? Usually no, but sometimes the white guy just has more experience, or he has a Master's degree as opposed to the black guy's Bachelor's degree. The man might just be more of what you're looking for in an employee than the woman.

Don't get me wrong now, I'm all for equal rights for everybody, but making people hire you because you're this not that? Even if the person who is that might be better at the job? That's taking it a wee bit too far, wouldn't you say?

[Mavorpen]

Ah affirmative action, the lovely system were degrees, experience, and actual qualifications are an extremely distant second to race, sex, and quotas.

Ah people who completely and utterly have no clue what they're talking about and make stupid generalizations about affirmative action when all of the shit they're complaining about is illegal in many places.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Ah affirmative action, the lovely system were degrees, experience, and actual qualifications are an extremely distant second to race, sex, and quotas.

Ah people who completely and utterly have no clue what they're talking about and make stupid generalizations about affirmative action when all of the shit they're complaining about is illegal in many places.

Good job ignoring everything else and just reading the first sentence maybe I should just skip punctuation so that people will actually read my stuff

[Mavorpen]

Ah people who completely and utterly have no clue what they're talking about and make stupid generalizations about affirmative action when all of the shit they're complaining about is illegal in many places.

Good job ignoring everything else and just reading the first sentence maybe I should just skip punctuation so that people will actually read my stuff

I didn't ignore everything else. Everything else was just..useless.

It was based off of the stupid generalizations about Affirmative Action that don't even apply to it in most places. Quotas are illegal in several countries and so are hiring based only on sex, race, etc.

In other words, do you have an actual argument against the Affirmative Action that is supported and relevant, or are you going to keep creating strawmen?

[The Fascist American Empire]

Good job ignoring everything else and just reading the first sentence maybe I should just skip punctuation so that people will actually read my stuff

I didn't ignore everything else. Everything else was just..useless.

It was based off of the stupid generalizations about Affirmative Action that don't even apply to it in most places. Quotas are illegal in several countries and so are hiring based only on sex, race, etc.

In other words, do you have an actual argument against the Affirmative Action that is supported and relevant, or are you going to keep creating strawmen?

No, I'm talking from experience. The city of Mountainbrook, AL must hire one black person each year. It is obviously not illegal in the heart of the Civil Rights movement then now is it?

[Mavorpen]

No, I'm talking from experience. The city of Mountainbrook, AL must hire one black person each year. It is obviously not illegal in the heart of the Civil Rights movement then now is it?

Surprisingly, you gave not a single source.

[The Fascist American Empire]

I didn't ignore everything else. Everything else was just..useless.

It was based off of the stupid generalizations about Affirmative Action that don't even apply to it in most places. Quotas are illegal in several countries and so are hiring based only on sex, race, etc.

In other words, do you have an actual argument against the Affirmative Action that is supported and relevant, or are you going to keep creating strawmen?

No, I'm talking from experience. The city of Mountainbrook, AL must hire one black person each year. It is obviously not illegal in the heart of the Civil Rights movement then now is it?

I have nothing against the Civil Rights movement if that's where you're going to take this next. My step-grandfather is black and even marched alongside Martin Luther King Jr. He now travels the world on issues of human rights and has been to the Gaza twice.

[The Fascist American Empire]

No, I'm talking from experience. The city of Mountainbrook, AL must hire one black person each year. It is obviously not illegal in the heart of the Civil Rights movement then now is it?

Surprisingly, you gave not a single source.

So, basically, experience is no longer considered a source?

[Mavorpen]

Surprisingly, you gave not a single source.

So, basically, experience is no longer considered a source?

...It never was.

Who told you that it was?

[The Fascist American Empire]

This was a thread about 3 days ago I swear. No its not racist - I don't think it helps solve the REAL problem which is of course the fact that we live in a racist society.

Indeed we do live in a racist society! With systems like this governing us, putting some races over another! In my nearly all white school, we have anti-racism rallies, while it is predominatly the minority creating the racist situations. I have many black friends, and I believe that we are all equal, but if we are, then why are there requirements based on race?

Exactly!

[The Fascist American Empire]

So, basically, experience is no longer considered a source?

...It never was.

Who told you that it was?

Common sense.

[Mavorpen]

...It never was.

Who told you that it was?

Common sense.

Then you probably shouldn't be on a debate forum, because we have a higher standard than that.

[The Shadow Brotherhood]

Racist. They should have equal opportunity, not favored job applications.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Common sense.

Then you probably shouldn't be on a debate forum, because we have a higher standard than that.

To be honest I rarely ever go on forums. namely because I hate people like you who think that they're better than everybody else because they're more experienced. According to Affirmative Action, which you advocate, I have the right to have my opinions heard before you do thus, you are a hypocrite and I am done because there are too many blind liberals/Marxists/communists and too many steadfast conservatives. Is there no such thing as a moderate anymore? Am I the last of my species? Goodbye.

[Mavorpen]

To be honest I rarely ever go on forums. namely because I hate people like you who think that they're better than everybody else because they're more experienced.

I don't think. I know. *nods*

According to Affirmative Action, which you advocate, I have the right to have my opinions heard before you do thus, you are a hypocrite and I am done because there are too many blind liberals/Marxists/communists and too many steadfast conservatives. Is there no such thing as a moderate anymore? Am I the last of my species? Goodbye.

...You might as well ended on a "yo mamma" joke.

[Ifreann]

No it's not. That's just a lie white men tell themselves and each other when they don't get hired or promoted or whatever.

Can we stop with this fallacious statement? You're not automatically a white male who didn't advance in the business world because you're against affirmative action or have a different perspective on it than liberals.

I never said that. I'm sure lots of people buy into that lie, but it originates from people who are losing their privilege to the march of equality, i.e. white men.

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No it doesn't.

Really? I was under the impression that it did (admittedly I was speaking loosely). Explain.

It's simple, really. The point of affirmative action is to ensure equality by actually taking action, instead of just announcing that people are equal and then doing nothing.

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Ifreann is right though. That IS something that white men tell themselves and each other when they don't want to believe that maybe, just maybe, they didn't get the job because they weren't good enough.

There are certainly white males who blame their failures on affirmative action. There are black males who blame constant discrimination for why they can't advance in the business world. People find things on which to blame their failures. However, can we PLEASE stop acting like ALL white males act like this? Ifreann's wording implies that all white men tell themselves then upon failure. This simply is not true. It's completely fallacious to imply that all of a specific demographic follow one line of thinking.

Your inference is not my implication.

[Shaggai]

No, I'm talking from experience. The city of Mountainbrook, AL must hire one black person each year. It is obviously not illegal in the heart of the Civil Rights movement then now is it?

I have nothing against the Civil Rights movement if that's where you're going to take this next. My step-grandfather is black and even marched alongside Martin Luther King Jr. He now travels the world on issues of human rights and has been to the Gaza twice.

Argumentam ad nigrum amicorum doesn't convince anyone. Just so you know.

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

Affirmative action is both helpful and harmful in many aspects, however I believe that rather than forcing someone to hire specific people of race, which is indeed racism in itself, we should respect the right of the employer and allow them to pick who they wish based on skill and qualification. If I own a business, I should be able to hire who I want to, regardless.