Is Affirmative Action Racist?

[Mavorpen]

Affirmative action is the belief that the majority race is superior, and the minority races are inferior and can't handle themselves.

No it isn't.

[New Laikland]

Affirmative action is the belief that the majority race is superior, and the minority races are inferior and can't handle themselves.

No it isn't.

Yes, it is.

[Mavorpen]

No it isn't.

Yes, it is.

So you believe minorities aren't discriminated against.

I don't think anyone can post anything that can top that in terms of ignorance.

[New Laikland]

So you believe minorities aren't discriminated against.

I don't think anyone can post anything that can top that in terms of ignorance.

I don't believe your ignorance at all, surely you're trolling? Isn't that against the rules?

[Mavorpen]

So you believe minorities aren't discriminated against.

I don't think anyone can post anything that can top that in terms of ignorance.

I don't believe your ignorance at all, surely you're trolling? Isn't that against the rules?

Again, do you believe minorities aren't discriminated against?

Because that's demonstrably bullshit.

You must live in some rural backwater town full of racist whites to continue to think that most blacks are still discriminated against.

No, I just live in reality. I mean really, I'm not surprised that you're completely oblivious to facts, but don't pretend as though you have a clue what you're talking about. Black people, whether you want to believe they are or not, are in fact constantly discriminated against.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colle ... 2011_6.pdf
http://www.civilrights.org/resources/ci ... yment.html
http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/1 ... 43824.html

Are we, on a whole trying to combat the discrimination against black? Absolutely. But that's only because African Americans are a protected groups. Only someone with their head in the sand sincerely believes that black people would be perfectly fine if the Civil Rights Act was repealed.

[New Laikland]

Again, do you believe minorities aren't discriminated against?

Because that's demonstrably bullshit.

Indeed, it is. I dunno why anybody would think something so stupid.

[Mavorpen]

Again, do you believe minorities aren't discriminated against?

Because that's demonstrably bullshit.

Indeed, it is. I dunno why anybody would think something so stupid.

That's good.

Then affirmative action isn't the belief that minorities are inferior. Thank you for admitted your post was wrong.

[New Laikland]

That's good.

Then affirmative action isn't the belief that minorities are inferior. Thank you for admitted your post was wrong.

Please stop destroying the strawmen, we need them to scare off the crows.

[Mavorpen]

That's good.

Then affirmative action isn't the belief that minorities are inferior. Thank you for admitted your post was wrong.

Please stop destroying the strawmen, we need them to scare off the crows.

I'll just take that as a concession, then.

[New Laikland]

I'll just take that as a concession, then.

Not at all, your ignorance and bigotry is just disgusting.

[Mavorpen]

I'll just take that as a concession, then.

Not at all, your ignorance and bigotry is just disgusting.

Like I said, I accept your concession.

When you're ready to formulate a coherent argument, I'll be here.

[Uieurnthlaal]

The WTF factor in this thread is too damn high.

[New Laikland]

Like I said, I accept your concession.

When you're ready to formulate a coherent argument, I'll be here.

I'll take this as a surrender, since you obviously aren't capable of reading a basic, simple sentence without slaughtering the poor strawmen.

When you're ready to properly read a sentence, I'll be here, waiting.

[Mavorpen]

Like I said, I accept your concession.

When you're ready to formulate a coherent argument, I'll be here.

I'll take this as a surrender, since you obviously aren't capable of reading a basic, simple sentence without slaughtering the poor strawmen.

When you're ready to properly read a sentence, I'll be here, waiting.

So that's a no on trying to give an actual argument?

[New Laikland]

So that's a no on trying to give an actual argument?

I mean, if you wanna have one, you can always read what I posted and respond properly to it.

[Mavorpen]

So that's a no on trying to give an actual argument?

I mean, if you wanna have one, you can always read what I posted and respond properly to it.

You didn't give an argument. You made a claim. I then responded to it by asking you whether you believed that minorities aren't discriminated against, because that's what Affirmative Action is trying to combat.

You could try fleshing out your argument.

[Swedish Realm]

Yeah, it is racist.

[New Laikland]

You didn't give an argument. You made a claim. I then responded to it by asking you whether you believed that minorities aren't discriminated against, because that's what Affirmative Action is trying to combat.

You could try fleshing out your argument.

I gave a claim, which you could have then escalated that into an intelligent argument, but instead you gave me some random bigotted gibberish that had nothing to do with what I said.

[Mavorpen]

You didn't give an argument. You made a claim. I then responded to it by asking you whether you believed that minorities aren't discriminated against, because that's what Affirmative Action is trying to combat.

You could try fleshing out your argument.

I gave a claim, which you could have then escalated that into an intelligent argument, but instead you gave me some random bigotted gibberish that had nothing to do with what I said.

I did escalate it into an intelligent argument.

You claimed that Affirmative Action claims that minorities are inferior. It doesn't. It claims that minorities are discriminated against and thus they need some way to combat it. I asked you if you believed that minorities aren't discriminated against because such a belief could produce a claim that affirmative action claims that minorities are inferior.

All you had to do, was specifically explain what your evidence and/or reasoning is for your claim. Could you do that?

[New Laikland]

I did escalate it into an intelligent argument.

You claimed that Affirmative Action claims that minorities are inferior. It doesn't. It claims that minorities are discriminated against and thus they need some way to combat it. I asked you if you believed that minorities aren't discriminated against because such a belief could produce a claim that affirmative action claims that minorities are inferior.

All you had to do, was specifically explain what your evidence and/or reasoning is for your claim. Could you do that?

No, you made a bigotted, random claim.

I claimed that Affirmative Action believes that minorities are inferior, because it believes that they need help getting a job or whatnot. That is a pretty good definition of inferiority. It does not claim that minorities are discriminated against, it discriminates against the majority. The last part is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the argument. The minorities and majority are discriminated against just as much, and adding mandatory discrimination doesn't make it better.

All you had to do with read a bloody sentence and process it with a tiny bit of brain power. Do you think you're capable of doing that, or do we need to break it down into child's terms?

[Frisivisia]

If we could not do the masturbatory arguing around your opponent's points lolol ur an bigot thing that would probably go a long ways to making this a conversation that isn't stupid.

[Frisivisia]

I did escalate it into an intelligent argument.

You claimed that Affirmative Action claims that minorities are inferior. It doesn't. It claims that minorities are discriminated against and thus they need some way to combat it. I asked you if you believed that minorities aren't discriminated against because such a belief could produce a claim that affirmative action claims that minorities are inferior.

All you had to do, was specifically explain what your evidence and/or reasoning is for your claim. Could you do that?

No, you made a bigotted, random claim.

I claimed that Affirmative Action believes that minorities are inferior, because it believes that they need help getting a job or whatnot. That is a pretty good definition of inferiority. It does not claim that minorities are discriminated against, it discriminates against the majority. The last part is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the argument. The minorities and majority are discriminated against just as much, and adding mandatory discrimination doesn't make it better.

All you had to do with read a bloody sentence and process it with a tiny bit of brain power. Do you think you're capable of doing that, or do we need to break it down into child's terms?

Let's not flamebait, sweetie.

[Mavorpen]

No, you made a bigotted, random claim.

I don't think you know what the word "bigot" actually means. What's bigotted about stating that minorities are discriminated against?

I claimed that Affirmative Action believes that minorities are inferior, because it believes that they need help getting a job or whatnot.

Because we do. That's what happens when you're discriminated against. You're not treated equally and thus need to be protected.

That is a pretty good definition of inferiority.

No, it isn't.

Otherwise, rape victims are believed to be inferior under the law, because it believes they need help from rapists.

It does not claim that minorities are discriminated against, it discriminates against the majority.

Yes, it does.

Of course it discriminates against the majority. EVERY person is discriminated against when it comes to employment. That's why we choose what discrimination is fine and what isn't.

The last part is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the argument. The minorities and majority are discriminated against just as much, and adding mandatory discrimination doesn't make it better.

No, they aren't. Again, I already provided the evidence that this is wrong.

You must live in some rural backwater town full of racist whites to continue to think that most blacks are still discriminated against.

No, I just live in reality. I mean really, I'm not surprised that you're completely oblivious to facts, but don't pretend as though you have a clue what you're talking about. Black people, whether you want to believe they are or not, are in fact constantly discriminated against.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colle ... 2011_6.pdf
http://www.civilrights.org/resources/ci ... yment.html
http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/1 ... 43824.html

Are we, on a whole trying to combat the discrimination against black? Absolutely. But that's only because African Americans are a protected groups. Only someone with their head in the sand sincerely believes that black people would be perfectly fine if the Civil Rights Act was repealed.

You however, have refused to do so.

All you had to do with read a bloody sentence and process it with a tiny bit of brain power. Do you think you're capable of doing that, or do we need to break it down into child's terms?

I'm not interested in a sentence. I'm interested in a coherent argument.

[Zaldakki]

As a minority myself, yes affirmative action is racist.

[Uieurnthlaal]

IMO, affirmative action is a deeply flawed policy, that only tries to solve problems of discrimination and socio-economic gaps once they become unfixable, such as with colleges, and job applications. Often, they set up the disadvantaged for jobs they are not yet prepared for. It is, I should note, better than nothing, which some have proposed; ignoring the existing socio-economic gap between genders, races, and religions, will serve only to continue it. A far better solution would be to move affirmative action, so to speak, to small children, who need it the most. If we can eliminate the sense of hopelessness, and the cycle of poverty, from the earliest stages of preschool, we would have the best chance possible to end racism, by molding the new generation. But, the old generation will just have to do with a color-blind application process, which, while not ideal, is better than placing minorities in jobs they aren't prepared for.

But, to get back to the OP, no, affirmative action is not racist. A flawed policy, maybe. But, insofar as any action on civil rights inevitably focusses on the less fortunate group as opposed to the fortunate group, affirmative action is not the least bit racist.