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Postby Caladaria » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:57 pm

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Fine...I'm done arguing with you people....There are some people who just don't understand.....Gay people should not have the right to marriage, and they should never be allowed to do so...All you here believe that gay marriage is jolly; two men kissing each other in front of an altar, two women kissing each other...oh, the images! Such a horrible institution would come into place....Cannot bear whenever on the news I see images of two elderly women, or two men, or one "masculine" woman and one "feminine" woman being able to marry.....Cannot bear those images of they being able to marry...........Why God.....Such disgusting, wrong images.

Done with your nervous breakdown?


Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

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Postby Othelos » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:57 pm

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1. How on earth would legalizing gay marriage lead to the destruction of civilization?

Caladaria needs to travel to a place where it's legal and witness civilization still alive and well.

I never understood that argument. How would letting more people marry lead to the end of marriage?

Let's just divorce ourselves from reality a little more.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:58 pm

Caladaria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Done with your nervous breakdown?


Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

It's wrong that I'm single, but you don't see me making that illegal.

...yet.
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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:58 pm

Caladaria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Done with your nervous breakdown?


Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.
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Don't worry. I'm equally (lesbians also) against same-sex marriage.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:58 pm

The Shia Califate wrote::clap:

What are you clapping at? Caladaria admitting to his immature reason to oppose LGBT rights? :roll:

The Shia Califate wrote::clap: Democracy is always the best option! Liberals tend to like democracy... until they find out the people don't agree with them.

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Nice try, though, buddy. I love democracy, but the rights of minorities should not be a popularity contest. It's absurd and irresponsible.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:58 pm

Othelos wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Caladaria needs to travel to a place where it's legal and witness civilization still alive and well.

I never understood that argument. How would letting more people marry lead to the end of marriage?

Let's just divorce ourselves from reality a little more.

It's a strawman argument based off of OT bible passages. Just ignore it.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:58 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy? :eyebrow:
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:59 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

It's wrong that I'm single, but you don't see me making that illegal.

...yet.


You plan on re-instituting arranged marriages? *nods*
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:59 pm

Caladaria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Done with your nervous breakdown?


Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Prove that it's wrong.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:59 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.

I happen to be a Fascist. Not all people who support LGBT rights are liberals.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:59 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.


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Postby Caladaria » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:59 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.


Thank you, sir, for supporting me..The liberal mindset will not understand this hypocrisy, on this issue....They will not understand.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:00 pm

Othelos wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Caladaria needs to travel to a place where it's legal and witness civilization still alive and well.

I never understood that argument. How would letting more people marry lead to the end of marriage?

Let's just divorce ourselves from reality a little more.

When two men or women say the words "I do" beneath a wedding arch, they spontaneously release a special gas. This gas affects all of the heterosexuals within a 50 mile radius, causing them to be negative affected in their relationships. Fights begin to break out over silly stuff such as leaving the toilet seat up. They begin cheating on each other. They start stabbing each other with knives. Eventually they divorce and can never find another mate, which causes them to commit suicide soon after.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:00 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Done with dealing with an institution giving legal sanction to this........An institution in which what is wrong is allowed.

Prove that it's wrong.

It's wrong 'cause it's wrong 'cause unexplained terms I name-drop to sound like I don't think it's wrong just 'cause I find it icky.
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Postby The Carlisle » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:01 pm

Caladaria wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Oh my fucking God, not this shit again.

"Holy shit! Two men getting married! Now people are going to marry their pets!" :palm:

Two men or two women are both consenting humans who agree to get married, both of which have legal rights. Dogs and other animals are pets which cannot give consent to a marriage, have no legal rights, and cannot marry. This shitty, overused argument is fucking stupid and I am no longer going to bother replying to you're posts.


Fine...I'm done arguing with you people....There are some people who just don't understand.....Gay people should not have the right to marriage, and they should never be allowed to do so...All you here believe that gay marriage is jolly; two men kissing each other in front of an altar, two women kissing each other...oh, the images! Such a horrible institution would come into place....Cannot bear whenever on the news I see images of two elderly women, or two men, or one "masculine" woman and one "feminine" woman being able to marry.....Cannot bear those images of they being able to marry...........Why God.....Such disgusting, wrong images.

I know right?! While we're banning gay marriage, lets ban black and interracial marriage. Black skin is disgusting, so we shouldn't let their genes continue and infect the pure white society....



... I feel stupider for saying that even though it is sarcasm. Jesus Christ, your argument is that gays are icky so we should ban them. Tell me, is the above statement sit well with you? It is using the exact same argument, its icky, so you should be fine with it.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Shia Califate wrote::clap:

What are you clapping at? Caladaria admitting to his immature reason to oppose LGBT rights? :roll:

The Shia Califate wrote::clap: Democracy is always the best option! Liberals tend to like democracy... until they find out the people don't agree with them.

lolnope

Nice try, though, buddy. I love democracy, but the rights of minorities should not be a popularity contest. It's absurd and irresponsible.

I don't think he'll ever understand that a true democracy requires certain minority protections that can't simply be changed by popular will.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:01 pm

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The Shia Califate wrote:Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.


Lawl.

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I'm far from liberal.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:01 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Othelos wrote:I never understood that argument. How would letting more people marry lead to the end of marriage?

Let's just divorce ourselves from reality a little more.

When two men or women say the words "I do" beneath a wedding arch, they spontaneously release a special gas. This gas affects all of the heterosexuals within a 50 mile radius, causing them to be negative affected in their relationships. Fights begin to break out over silly stuff such as leaving the toilet seat up. They begin cheating on each other. They start stabbing each other with knives. Eventually they divorce and can never find another mate, which causes them to commit suicide soon after.


Shit, you discovered my plan to bring US Society to a chaos.

Were you snooping through my secret laboratory?
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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Shia Califate wrote:Exactly. You've fought valiantly, but I don't think the liberal mindset will ever understand its hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy? :eyebrow:

Democracy is good unless people disagree.
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Don't worry. I'm equally (lesbians also) against same-sex marriage.

I apologize for my strange sense of grammar; I type like Charles Dickens fell down the stairs and suffered a traumatic injury

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:02 pm

The Carlisle wrote:
Caladaria wrote:
Fine...I'm done arguing with you people....There are some people who just don't understand.....Gay people should not have the right to marriage, and they should never be allowed to do so...All you here believe that gay marriage is jolly; two men kissing each other in front of an altar, two women kissing each other...oh, the images! Such a horrible institution would come into place....Cannot bear whenever on the news I see images of two elderly women, or two men, or one "masculine" woman and one "feminine" woman being able to marry.....Cannot bear those images of they being able to marry...........Why God.....Such disgusting, wrong images.

I know right?! While we're banning gay marriage, lets ban black and interracial marriage. Black skin is disgusting, so we shouldn't let their genes continue and infect the pure white society....



Can I still marry an Asian?
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:02 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Liriena wrote:What hypocrisy? :eyebrow:

Democracy is good unless people disagree.

The rights of minorities are not a popularity contest. You can't strip a person of certain liberties by a simple majority vote. You cannot violate the overarching principle of justice that way.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:03 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:When two men or women say the words "I do" beneath a wedding arch, they spontaneously release a special gas. This gas affects all of the heterosexuals within a 50 mile radius, causing them to be negative affected in their relationships. Fights begin to break out over silly stuff such as leaving the toilet seat up. They begin cheating on each other. They start stabbing each other with knives. Eventually they divorce and can never find another mate, which causes them to commit suicide soon after.


Shit, you discovered my plan to bring US Society to a chaos.

Were you snooping through my secret laboratory?

No, I basically just remembered that shitty movie The Happening and copied the plot.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:03 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Liriena wrote:What hypocrisy? :eyebrow:

Democracy is good unless people disagree.

Except nobody ever argued anything even remotely close to that. All that has been said is that having the majority vote on the human rights of minorities is absurd and irresponsible.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:04 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:I know right?! While we're banning gay marriage, lets ban black and interracial marriage. Black skin is disgusting, so we shouldn't let their genes continue and infect the pure white society....



Can I still marry an Asian?


No, sorry, as a Black Man tm you must marry a Black Woman tm; and if you don't you have done your race a disgrace upon their honor and the only solution you have is perform Seppuku or castrate yourself so you never get to have disgusting Asian-Black Children.
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Postby The Carlisle » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:04 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:I know right?! While we're banning gay marriage, lets ban black and interracial marriage. Black skin is disgusting, so we shouldn't let their genes continue and infect the pure white society....



Can I still marry an Asian?

Asian women are pretty and their skin has an acceptable amount of melanin to not go into the revulsion category. So yes, you can.

See why "It's icky" is a bad argument to base laws around?
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