Same-sex marriage ban referendum in Croatia

[Caladaria]

What I'm saying is that homosexual oppression has not been the same as African-American oppression, and that if you care not for our rights, why should I support you being able to marry among yourselves? Why should your rights be important....

I don't care about African-American rights because they already fucking have equality.

I wished so hard for it to be a joke. Unfortunately it's reality.

Hey, of course people like me can't get blood; we wouldn't want the nice straight people catching our gay, now would we?

How disgraceful you are; discrimination still exists against us, and there is still the long road ahead for us to take....Come now, you believe your crusade for rights has been more important in history then other crusades...how wrong you are. Misguided on this whole issue.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You have twisted History to make a case of 'oh poor us Blacks, at least we're not gay blacks because holy shit that must suck to not be able to marry! God forbid the homos marrying! We will see the Second Civil War upon us!'

You are no different than anti-immigration folks, you are just another person who likes to think too highly of himself just because of your background of discrimination and you like tossing History at people just to suit your points of view, you don't care about History, you don't have the love it requires and I know what I am talking about because I have seen people like you do the same shit repeatedly. History be damned as long as it agrees with you and your fucked up views, right?

It is you who are mistaken...Give the homosexuals the right to civil unions, just not to gay marriage. And you, and all the others here are in the wrong, so in the wrong about this issue.

Give blacks the right to ride on the bus, just not on the 'whites only' seats. Why are all you non white supremacists so wrong?

[Liriena]

This is also directed at Liriena and Blasveck: If you don't care about the predicament of African-Americans, then why should I care about you being able to marry your partners....

Unfortunately for your latest red herring, I do care about the current predicaments of African-Americans. Said predicaments, however, are not the topic of this thread.

[Liriena]

And who gave you the absolute power to determine who is in the wrong?

You know, facts n stuff.

What facts?

[Mavorpen]

I don't care about African-American rights because they already fucking have equality.


Hey, of course people like me can't get blood; we wouldn't want the nice straight people catching our gay, now would we?

How disgraceful you are; discrimination still exists against us, and there is still the long road ahead for us to take....Come now, you believe your crusade for rights has been more important in history then other crusades...how wrong you are. Misguided on this whole issue.

He isn't claiming that we don't face discrimination.

He's claiming that we have full rights equal to that of whites under the law. Which is absolutely correct, unlike LGBT individuals.

[Geilinor]

I don't care about African-American rights because they already fucking have equality.


Hey, of course people like me can't get blood; we wouldn't want the nice straight people catching our gay, now would we?

How disgraceful you are; discrimination still exists against us, and there is still the long road ahead for us to take....Come now, you believe your crusade for rights has been more important in history then other crusades...how wrong you are. Misguided on this whole issue.

So this renders you incapable of sympathizing with the cause of other minorities? Fighting unfounded oppression will benefit you as well.

[Liriena]

Have you not heard of the death penalty for being gay in 7 countries or LGBT children who have committed suicide due to bullying?

Their lifestyles don't line up with that of their governments. Honestly, if we don't live there, it's not our problem.

Human rights around the world are my problem, though. You know, empathy and all.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How disgraceful you are; discrimination still exists against us, and there is still the long road ahead for us to take....Come now, you believe your crusade for rights has been more important in history then other crusades...how wrong you are. Misguided on this whole issue.

He isn't claiming that we don't face discrimination.

He's claiming that we have full rights equal to that of whites under the law. Which is absolutely correct, unlike LGBT individuals.

I couldn't have put it better myself, so I second this.

[Blasveck]

No words to describe how much I like this post.

Well thank you, if you mean it in that sense.......This is also directed at Liriena and Blasveck: If you don't care about the predicament of African-Americans, then why should I care about you being able to marry your partners....

Please point to where I said I didn't care about the plight of my fellow black brothers and sisters.

I mean, y'know, it's not that both groups can relate to one another because both have historically been discriminated against and it is my firm belief that both should stand side-by-side, right?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I don't care about African-American rights because they already fucking have equality.


Hey, of course people like me can't get blood; we wouldn't want the nice straight people catching our gay, now would we?

How disgraceful you are; discrimination still exists against us, and there is still the long road ahead for us to take....Come now, you believe your crusade for rights has been more important in history then other crusades...how wrong you are. Misguided on this whole issue.

Oh, how terrible; a few ignorant people are still racists. Bigots will always exist; hell, there are people who hate whites. According to US law, blacks are fully equal. Homosexuals are not. Thus, it is currently much more important to focus on giving LGBT people equality than blacks.

[Geilinor]

Have you not heard of the death penalty for being gay in 7 countries or LGBT children who have committed suicide due to bullying?

Their lifestyles don't line up with that of their governments.

Governments have lifestyles?

[Liriena]

Their lifestyles don't line up with that of their governments.

Governments have lifestyles?

Iran's relationship with Venezuela is totally heterosexual and puritan as fuck.

[The Shia Califate]

Their lifestyles don't line up with that of their governments. Honestly, if we don't live there, it's not our problem.

Human rights around the world are my problem, though. You know, empathy and all.

Try being empathetic to the governments that oppose them because of their religious beliefs. They don't wander in here and make us conform to them.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Their lifestyles don't line up with that of their governments.

Governments have lifestyles?

Of course they have, haven't you seen the latest episode of Hetalia?

[Othelos]

Are you suggesting that homosexuals should hide their sexuality and live a miserable life of being denied rights and hiding who they really are from everyone?

What I'm saying is that homosexual oppression has not been the same as African-American oppression

So both groups haven't faced discrimination, marginalization, isolation, stigmatization, murder, etc. just for who they are?

[Geilinor]

Human rights around the world are my problem, though. You know, empathy and all.

Try being empathetic to the governments that oppose them because of their religious beliefs. They don't wander in here and make us conform to them.

You can't empathize with entities that lack feelings.

[Microsol]

Apparently the Croats are going to have a referendum on Sunday in order to vote for a constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage. Personally I'm surprised because I had the impression that Croatia was becoming more LGBT-friendly. Hopefully Croats will turn this proposal down.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/art ... revolution

Opinions anyone?

If that's what Croatia wants then who here can honestly protest? Ruling against the general will of the state's people would be highly undemocratic.

[Caladaria]

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

[Othelos]

Human rights around the world are my problem, though. You know, empathy and all.

Try being empathetic to the governments that oppose them because of their religious beliefs. They don't wander in here and make us conform to them.

So you want us to congratulate other governments for ignoring human rights as long as they don't bother our government?

[Geilinor]

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

The slippery slope is a fallacy. And what the hell kind of rant is this?

[Mavorpen]

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

Anyone else feel like they're reading a roll of toilet paper?

[Mavorpen]

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

The slippery slope is a fallacy. And what the hell kind of rant is this?

I mean, if animals could consent, I'd be all for bestiality being legal.

But they can't, so...

[Liriena]

Human rights around the world are my problem, though. You know, empathy and all.

Try being empathetic to the governments that oppose them because of their religious beliefs. They don't wander in here and make us conform to them.

What is there to be empathetic about when a country dehumanizes people like me in the name of irrational religious egotism, other than the suffering people like me are forced to go through? I don't care if they "don't wander in here and makes us conform to them". They are destroying lives as we speak, and I for one cannot just stand by and say it's not my problem.

If that's what Croatia wants then who here can honestly protest? Ruling against the general will of the state's people would be highly undemocratic.

The human rights of minorities are not a popularity contest.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

Oh my fucking God, not this shit again.

"Holy shit! Two men getting married! Now people are going to marry their pets!"

Two men or two women are both consenting humans who agree to get married, both of which have legal rights. Dogs and other animals are pets which cannot give consent to a marriage, have no legal rights, and cannot marry. This shitty, overused argument is fucking stupid and I am no longer going to bother replying to you're posts.

[Blasveck]

Arguing with those who know no better; who drown in the pit of ignorance on this issue; and who believe that this "gay marriage" is the rightful institution for society to implement. One hundred years from now, they will be allowed to marry; they will spread their ideas throughout the world; and everyone will see that the sacred institution of marriage is destroyed....crumbling, laid to dust. Liriena, Blasveck, Fascist Russian Empire..I pity you three. You did not have a choice as to how you were born..I didn't have a choice as to how I was born...nor has anyone else living on God's earth. But, what you three and your supporters are proposing is something which could disrupt the whole structure of human civilization. This century, this century of progress, of technology, of constant turmoil in the world, will be marred by the adoption of the idea of gay marriage, and we will see, when the year 2101 arrives, that the institution is legal throughout the whole Western World; when that day comes, it will truly be a shame for this world, a curse under God; a shame, for it to pass. For the homosexuals will have that right, and their right will lead to absurdities; within the next five hundred years, or even less, a man will want to marry his dog, or his cat, or his daughter; a no-count fool will be able to attach himself to a animal; and polygamy will take root. The day when a traditional married couple is joined by a gay couple, and eventually, by a bestial couple, will be the day to rue. To rue...In the science fiction projects I have been working on, something like this will never come to pass: in this world, it should not come to pass.

I'm sure they said the same thing about, say, giving women the right to vote or setting the slaves free or letting African Americans vote and so-on and so-on.