Same-sex marriage ban referendum in Croatia

[Mavorpen]

Black people never had to worry about being ostracized from their family, and I doubt many worry about walking down the street and being attacked/murdered by random people for just being who they are.

Uh, what? Have you not heard of lynching? I heard a story just the other day about a black man that was hitchhiking who got his body mutilated and dragged from a chain behind a truck owned by members of the KKK. But no, you're the victim.

You do realize that homosexuals were also lynched by the KKK, right?

But please, don't let facts get in the way.

[Othelos]

I don't care. Racism has nothing to do with homophobia anyway, and black people who live in the US have (pretty much) complete equality under the law.

You don't care? Then why should I care about your rights then if you don't care about civil rights for others......Why should I care about you being able to marry amongst yourselves, when you ignore the wider reality.

What wider reality?

[Blasveck]

Black people never had to worry about being ostracized from their family, and I doubt many worry about walking down the street and being attacked/murdered by random people for just being who they are.

Uh, what? Have you not heard of lynching? I heard a story just the other day about a black man that was hitchhiking who got his body mutilated and dragged from a chain behind a truck owned by members of the KKK. But no, you're the victim.

Have you not heard of the death penalty for being gay in 7 countries or LGBT children who have committed suicide due to bullying?

[Caladaria]

Black people never had to worry about being ostracized from their family, and I doubt many worry about walking down the street and being attacked/murdered by random people for just being who they are.

That's not entirely true, partially because homosexuals can hide their sexuality, while black people can't hide their skin color.

But if homosexuals couldn't hide their sexuality, this would absolutely be true.

You support gay marriage, but being African-American like me, you also present points which communicate the argument which I have tried to present.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

False. I was influenced by scientific research, introspection and experience to believe in equal rights for LGBT people. It's not sad at all. What I find sad is that you continue to whine about those you consider to be on the "wrong" side of this debate, when all of them have, thus far, presented far better arguments than you have in your entire stay in NS.

Thus far I have presented arguments which are the truth, more so then your claims. You have presented your arguments, driven by your motivation to secure the right to gay marriage for yourself and others.....Your arguments have not been based on common sense, and have ignored historical, social, biological, religious, moral, and political considerations. You have warped all of my points and may me seem like the bad guy...You truly think that your right to gay marriage is the same as civil rights for African-Americans, and you are blinded that we (blacks) have not faced any further discrimination...You have been misled.

You have twisted History to make a case of 'oh poor us Blacks, at least we're not gay blacks because holy shit that must suck to not be able to marry! God forbid the homos marrying! We will see the Second Civil War upon us!'

You are no different than anti-immigration folks, you are just another person who likes to think too highly of himself just because of your background of discrimination and you like tossing History at people just to suit your points of view, you don't care about History, you don't have the love it requires and I know what I am talking about because I have seen people like you do the same shit repeatedly. History be damned as long as it agrees with you and your fucked up views, right?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

That's not entirely true, partially because homosexuals can hide their sexuality, while black people can't hide their skin color.

But if homosexuals couldn't hide their sexuality, this would absolutely be true.

You support gay marriage, but being African-American like me, you also present points which communicate the argument which I have tried to present.

Are you suggesting that homosexuals should hide their sexuality and live a miserable life of being denied rights and hiding who they really are from everyone?

[Mavorpen]

Seriously. You even face shit that we don't.

Black people aren't banned from donating blood. Black people can get married.

*flips table*

What?

What?

I wished so hard for it to be a joke. Unfortunately it's reality.

[Othelos]

Black people never had to worry about being ostracized from their family, and I doubt many worry about walking down the street and being attacked/murdered by random people for just being who they are.

Uh, what? Have you not heard of lynching? I heard a story just the other day about a black man that was hitchhiking who got his body mutilated and dragged from a chain behind a truck owned by members of the KKK. But no, you're the victim.

Notice how I changed tense? I meant that black people nowadays don't have to worry about walking down the street and being attacked/murdered for who they are.

[Geilinor]

A torrent of messages on a very controversial issue...That is the life of society: controversy and debate. My arguments were not rants: they were an expression of my viewpoints. And I would dare defy any person who claims that homosexuals have suffered as much as Jews, or African-Americans, or Native Americans, or other racial minorities and religious sects......I know there are the Islamic countries which outlaw homosexual marriage, but I also know that discrimination against homosexuals, in the West, has been exaggerated to absurd levels.

Today, LGBT people face more discrimination than any other group. All the groups you mentioned have full legal equality. Guess which group has no federal anti-discrimination protections in the US?

[Caladaria]

Thus far I have presented arguments which are the truth, more so then your claims. You have presented your arguments, driven by your motivation to secure the right to gay marriage for yourself and others.....Your arguments have not been based on common sense, and have ignored historical, social, biological, religious, moral, and political considerations. You have warped all of my points and may me seem like the bad guy...You truly think that your right to gay marriage is the same as civil rights for African-Americans, and you are blinded that we (blacks) have not faced any further discrimination...You have been misled.

You have twisted History to make a case of 'oh poor us Blacks, at least we're not gay blacks because holy shit that must suck to not be able to marry! God forbid the homos marrying! We will see the Second Civil War upon us!'

You are no different than anti-immigration folks, you are just another person who likes to think too highly of himself just because of your background of discrimination and you like tossing History at people just to suit your points of view, you don't care about History, you don't have the love it requires and I know what I am talking about because I have seen people like you do the same shit repeatedly. History be damned as long as it agrees with you and your fucked up views, right?

It is you who are mistaken...Give the homosexuals the right to civil unions, just not to gay marriage. And you, and all the others here are in the wrong, so in the wrong about this issue.

[Mavorpen]

That's not entirely true, partially because homosexuals can hide their sexuality, while black people can't hide their skin color.

But if homosexuals couldn't hide their sexuality, this would absolutely be true.

You support gay marriage, but being African-American like me, you also present points which communicate the argument which I have tried to present.

...What?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No words to describe how much I like this post.

Well thank you, if you mean it in that sense.......This is also directed at Liriena and Blasveck: If you don't care about the predicament of African-Americans, then why should I care about you being able to marry your partners....

I don't even know how to describe this post.

It makes me want to slit my wrists from all the vitriol spewed here but it also makes me want to puke.

[The Shia Califate]

Uh, what? Have you not heard of lynching? I heard a story just the other day about a black man that was hitchhiking who got his body mutilated and dragged from a chain behind a truck owned by members of the KKK. But no, you're the victim.

Have you not heard of the death penalty for being gay in 7 countries or LGBT children who have committed suicide due to bullying?

Their lifestyles don't line up with that of their governments. Honestly, if we don't live there, it's not our problem.

[Caladaria]

You support gay marriage, but being African-American like me, you also present points which communicate the argument which I have tried to present.

Are you suggesting that homosexuals should hide their sexuality and live a miserable life of being denied rights and hiding who they really are from everyone?

What I'm saying is that homosexual oppression has not been the same as African-American oppression, and that if you care not for our rights, why should I support you being able to marry among yourselves? Why should your rights be important....

[The Shia Califate]

Well thank you, if you mean it in that sense.......This is also directed at Liriena and Blasveck: If you don't care about the predicament of African-Americans, then why should I care about you being able to marry your partners....

I don't even know how to describe this post.

It makes me want to slit my wrists from all the vitriol spewed here but it also makes me want to puke.

Hard to do one without the other.

But really, if you say "I don't care" it kind of puts you in a position of not being cared for.

[Geilinor]

You have twisted History to make a case of 'oh poor us Blacks, at least we're not gay blacks because holy shit that must suck to not be able to marry! God forbid the homos marrying! We will see the Second Civil War upon us!'

You are no different than anti-immigration folks, you are just another person who likes to think too highly of himself just because of your background of discrimination and you like tossing History at people just to suit your points of view, you don't care about History, you don't have the love it requires and I know what I am talking about because I have seen people like you do the same shit repeatedly. History be damned as long as it agrees with you and your fucked up views, right?

And you, and all the others here are in the wrong, so in the wrong about this issue.

And who gave you the absolute power to determine who is in the wrong?

[Caladaria]

You support gay marriage, but being African-American like me, you also present points which communicate the argument which I have tried to present.

...What?

You support gay marriage, but present points which also bolster my argument. You put in your arguments matter which I have tried to use in mine; yet you vehemently disagree with me over this whole issue.

[The Shia Califate]

And you, and all the others here are in the wrong, so in the wrong about this issue.

And who gave you the absolute power to determine who is in the wrong?

You know, facts n stuff.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Are you suggesting that homosexuals should hide their sexuality and live a miserable life of being denied rights and hiding who they really are from everyone?

What I'm saying is that homosexual oppression has not been the same as African-American oppression, and that if you care not for our rights, why should I support you being able to marry among yourselves? Why should your rights be important....

I don't care about African-American rights because they already fucking have equality.

*flips table*

What?

What?

I wished so hard for it to be a joke. Unfortunately it's reality.

Hey, of course people like me can't get blood; we wouldn't want the nice straight people catching our gay, now would we?

[Geilinor]

Are you suggesting that homosexuals should hide their sexuality and live a miserable life of being denied rights and hiding who they really are from everyone?

What I'm saying is that homosexual oppression has not been the same as African-American oppression, and that if you care not for our rights, why should I support you being able to marry among yourselves? Why should your rights be important....

Nobody here is opposed to rights for African-Americans. You're protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[Mavorpen]

You support gay marriage, but present points which also bolster my argument. You put in your arguments matter which I have tried to use in mine; yet you vehemently disagree with me over this whole issue.

That's because I'm mature enough to not engage in a dick waving contest about who's gone through the most suffering.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is you who are mistaken...Give the homosexuals the right to civil unions, just not to gay marriage. And you, and all the others here are in the wrong, so in the wrong about this issue.

I am not wrong because equality is a thing that must happen, whether you like it or not.

I'm not homosexual myself, but I would like to see them marry because they also deserve to be happy (or miserable depending on how some of you view marriage); they also deserve to show their devotion to the person they love and they also deserve to be recognized by the state as many of us non-homosexual couples do.

Equality is a thing African Americans fought of, this is no different, and saying it is is hypocritical.

[Othelos]

You have twisted History to make a case of 'oh poor us Blacks, at least we're not gay blacks because holy shit that must suck to not be able to marry! God forbid the homos marrying! We will see the Second Civil War upon us!'

You are no different than anti-immigration folks, you are just another person who likes to think too highly of himself just because of your background of discrimination and you like tossing History at people just to suit your points of view, you don't care about History, you don't have the love it requires and I know what I am talking about because I have seen people like you do the same shit repeatedly. History be damned as long as it agrees with you and your fucked up views, right?

It is you who are mistaken...Give the homosexuals the right to civil unions, just not to gay marriage. And you, and all the others here are in the wrong, so in the wrong about this issue.

I'm not a second class citizen. I deserve equal rights, which includes marriage.

[Liriena]

False. I was influenced by scientific research, introspection and experience to believe in equal rights for LGBT people. It's not sad at all. What I find sad is that you continue to whine about those you consider to be on the "wrong" side of this debate, when all of them have, thus far, presented far better arguments than you have in your entire stay in NS.

Thus far I have presented arguments which are the truth, more so then your claims.

No. You have mostly presented assertions, baseless claims that you have continuously repeated. The few "arguments" that you presented, on the other hand, were false and fallacious, so I kindly suggest you refrain from fellating your delusional ego and pretending to be the "only sane man in the room".

You have presented your arguments, driven by your motivation to secure the right to gay marriage for yourself and others.....

Your arguments have not been based on common sense, and have ignored historical, social, biological, religious, moral, and political considerations.

- "Common sense" is not an argument, or a source for arguments. It's, for all practical purposes, a cliché.
- Past history is irrelevant, as far as the legitimacy of same-sex marriage today goes.
- Society is irrelevant, considering the fact that all societies go through countless changes, such as this one.
- Biologically speaking, homosexuality is natural, normal and inherently harmless, so if anyone's arguments have no been based on biological considerations, yours were.
- Religion is irrelevant. The United States of America are a secular nation, where all religions (and the lack of religion as well) are separated from the state, and are all entitled to the exact same rights. And since many religious denominations support same-sex marriage, any appeal to religion on your part could be easily counteracted.
- Moral considerations? Morally speaking, I value concepts such as empathy and respect for the dignity of others. In that regard, I consider the legal recognition of same-sex marriage as a morally positive policy.
- What political considerations? Don't baselessly name-drop terms.

You have warped all of my points and may me seem like the bad guy...

Actually, I didn't need to warp your points. They were already shitty and ridiculous in their original state.

You truly think that your right to gay marriage is the same as civil rights for African-Americans,

Not the exact same... but similar? Yes, of course.

and you are blinded that we (blacks) have not faced any further discrimination...You have been misled.

I have never claimed that African Americans don't suffer any further discrimination nowadays, so I kindly ask that you refrain from telling me I've been misled. It is true that African Americans still suffer much discrimination. That, however, does not change the fact that LGBT people also suffer discrimination, and it must be addressed, whether your egotism agrees with it or not.

[Liriena]

You don't care? Then why should I care about your rights then if you don't care about civil rights for others......Why should I care about you being able to marry amongst yourselves, when you ignore the wider reality.

No words to describe how much I like this post.

Please, don't fellate your fellow poster's ego.