Same-sex marriage ban referendum in Croatia

[Mavorpen]

I've never heard the word "nigger" used in real life.

But "fag"? That's another story.

Or "tranny".

Heck, TV shows gleefully make transphobic jokes at least once a season, and everybody laughs!

Or the average teen's, "that's gay!" as though that's inherently bad.

Or YouTube's favorite, "you cocksucker!"

[Blasveck]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

I hope you realize that gay people have been murdered for being gay in the same way that people have been murderered for being black.

And still are today in 7 countries.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I have never used that language, but you and Liriena do not acknowledge that gay marriage is wrong and upsetting to the balance of society. I have no problem with what you and Liriena decide to do in your...relationships; I merely have a problem with homosexuals being able to marry. And racism is still prevalent in American society...think conservatism.

Of course me and Liriena(and any other non-heterosexuals here) don't accept the backward idea that same-sex marriage is wrong. And if homosexuals marrying is so damn wrong, then find a passage in the Bible that directly says that two loving men or two loving women can't have a sacred bond under God.

Whoa back up there.

I am heterosexual, how dare you put me as a non-heterosexual

Just busting your chops for humor

[Fascist Russian Empire]

1: Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus2: believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; 3: but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

1: Liri is Pansexual, not homosexual.
2: The law agrees with us in about a dozen nations.
3: Thousands of homosexuals have been put to death in places like the Middle East, millions have no rights across the globe. Homophobia has had a major impact on the world. Even in the United States, homophobia is a major problem. Don't give me this "Fags ain't important because Jews and blacks!" shit.

[Mavorpen]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

I just love it when you guys post shit as though you speak for us black people.

Not really of course, it's pretty fucking annoying.

[Caladaria]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

I hope you realize that gay people have been murdered for being gay in the same way that people have been murderered for being black.

And still are today in 7 countries.

Again, equating your issues with the issues of African-Americans.......

[Othelos]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

There you go marginalizing a group of people to support your views.

Marriage is a human right, so how can you argue that it's not a civil right?

And, your position is basically, "what I'm saying is right because I say so." Try again.

[Caladaria]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

I just love it when you guys post shit as though you speak for us black people.

Not really of course, it's pretty fucking annoying.

I'm African-American myself: why would you think I would be posting this...I'm not some white hypocrite trying to post crap just because.

[Mavorpen]

I hope you realize that gay people have been murdered for being gay in the same way that people have been murderered for being black.

And still are today in 7 countries.

Again, equating your issues with the issues of African-Americans.......

Again, pretending as though you speak for African Americans.

Which, you don't of course.

[Liriena]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage;

Actually, it's mostly because your arguments thus far have been either shitty or inexistent.

I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society.

We've been through this: people can multitask. We can legalize gay marriage and get other shit done at the same time. This is a shameless red herring on your part, and I want you to stop it.

Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....

Hundreds, if not thousands of LGBT people being fired, evicted, disowned, humilliated, jailed, raped, assaulted and/or killed because of who they are? Centuries of institutionalized unrealistic sexual puritanism that only served as the melting pot for atrocious social (and sometimes actual) diseases that only now are being dealt with correctly?

The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

All I see in this rambling of yours is a repetition of previous baseless assertions, misrepresentations and red herrings.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage; I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society. Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

But it is a right that they should have.

It's like saying the undocumented should stay here, but not be allowed to have citizenship because that would upset the balance of the country. Do you even know how idiotic your argument sounds?

It's like a schizo trying to say "Yea but no" there's no buts; you either are recognized as a full person with all rights under the law or you do not, there's no cherry-picking.

[Othelos]

I hope you realize that gay people have been murdered for being gay in the same way that people have been murderered for being black.

And still are today in 7 countries.

Again, equating your issues with the issues of African-Americans.......

We're both minorities that face similar issues...

[Mavorpen]

I just love it when you guys post shit as though you speak for us black people.

Not really of course, it's pretty fucking annoying.

I'm African-American myself: why would you think I would be posting this...I'm not some white hypocrite trying to post crap just because.

You're African American?

Wow, you're more delusional than I initially thought.

[Caladaria]

Blasveck, Liriena, Fascist Russian Empire: I know that you don't agree with me, partially because you are homosexuals yourselves and thus believe that you have the right to gay marriage;

Actually, it's mostly because your arguments thus far have been either shitty or inexistent.

I respect your opinions, for you did not have a choice as regards to your sexual orientation; but gay marriage should not be the overriding concern of our society.

We've been through this: people can multitask. We can legalize gay marriage and get other shit done at the same time. This is a shameless red herring on your part, and I want you to stop it.

Transphobia, homophobia: compared to racism, what has the impact been on the course of this country's history.....

Hundreds, if not thousands of LGBT people being fired, evicted, disowned, humilliated, jailed, raped, assaulted and/or killed because of who they are? Centuries of institutionalized unrealistic sexual puritanism that only served as the melting pot for atrocious social (and sometimes actual) diseases that only now are being dealt with correctly?

The Compromise of 1850, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Jim Crowism, the Dred Scott case, slavery, the uprising of Nat Turner, John Brown, Plessy v Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education, lynching, race riots, black involvement in the Civil War, the Civil War itself, Emancipation Proclamation: all of these directed the course of this nation's history far more so then what has happened with homosexual discrimination: I would say that gay marriage is not on the same plane as civil rights; it is a fallacy to claim that the mistreatment of people of your orientation is the same to slavery; and it is utterly incorrect for you three to declare that gay marriage is a right which you should have.

All I see in this rambling of yours is a repetition of previous baseless assertions, misrepresentations and red herrings.

These arguments are genius: I am not presenting them out of malice.....and you don't understand what has taken precedence within this country.

[Liriena]

I hope you realize that gay people have been murdered for being gay in the same way that people have been murderered for being black.

And still are today in 7 countries.

Again, equating your issues with the issues of African-Americans.......

Again, minimizing other people's problems in the name of your egotism.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Actually, it's mostly because your arguments thus far have been either shitty or inexistent.


We've been through this: people can multitask. We can legalize gay marriage and get other shit done at the same time. This is a shameless red herring on your part, and I want you to stop it.


Hundreds, if not thousands of LGBT people being fired, evicted, disowned, humilliated, jailed, raped, assaulted and/or killed because of who they are? Centuries of institutionalized unrealistic sexual puritanism that only served as the melting pot for atrocious social (and sometimes actual) diseases that only now are being dealt with correctly?


All I see in this rambling of yours is a repetition of previous baseless assertions, misrepresentations and red herrings.

These arguments are genius: I am not presenting them out of malice.....and you don't understand what has taken precedence within this country.

"genius" The most laughable statement I've heard today. You have done nothing but say "I don't agree with gays so they can't get married," and have presented no actual evidence besides saying "society will crumble if the fags get married!"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

These arguments are genius: I am not presenting them out of malice.....and you don't understand what has taken precedence within this country.

But me and Marv do, and we are both telling you you are full of shit.

[Caladaria]

I'm African-American myself: why would you think I would be posting this...I'm not some white hypocrite trying to post crap just because.

You're African American?

Wow, you're more delusional than I initially thought.

Delusional? You're one who agrees with them on this issue....And I am not delusional. And yes, I am African-American, and believe that what we had to endure in this country has been of a higher scale then what gays had to endure.....Now I see that you're one, lambasting me, just because I have tried to argue about our predicament but nevertheless oppose gay marriage.

[Mavorpen]

Again, equating your issues with the issues of African-Americans.......

Again, minimizing other people's problems in the name of your egotism.

I'm baffled that he thinks that black people face problems homosexuals don't.

Both are have higher amounts of poverty than white/straight people.
Both have higher amounts of discrimination than white/straight people.
etc.

[Caladaria]

These arguments are genius: I am not presenting them out of malice.....and you don't understand what has taken precedence within this country.

But me and Marv do, and we are both telling you you are full of shit.

Everyone on this site is somebody influenced by all of the media which they have seen, to believe in this gay marriage institution...How sad.........

[Mavorpen]

Delusional? You're one who agrees with them on this issue....And I am not delusional. And yes, I am African-American, and believe that what we had to endure in this country has been of a higher scale then what gays had to endure.....Now I see that you're one, lambasting me, just because I have tried to argue about our predicament but nevertheless oppose gay marriage.

What does our past have to do with current discrimination of homosexuals?

Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.

[Liriena]

These arguments are genius:

Pro-tip: A little bit of modesty will get you a long way.

I am not presenting them out of malice.....

No. Just egotism.

and you don't understand what has taken precedence within this country.

Oh, I do understand. What I don't understand is why you insist on resorting to simplistic ramblings to justify the unjustifiable.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You're African American?

Wow, you're more delusional than I initially thought.

Delusional? You're one who agrees with them on this issue....And I am not delusional. And yes, I am African-American, and believe that what we had to endure in this country has been of a higher scale then what gays had to endure.....Now I see that you're one, lambasting me, just because I have tried to argue about our predicament but nevertheless oppose gay marriage.

Black Americans haven't had any discrimination against them since the 1960s. Homosexual Americans have had discrimination since the Americas were colonized, and still face discrimination.

[Caladaria]

Delusional? You're one who agrees with them on this issue....And I am not delusional. And yes, I am African-American, and believe that what we had to endure in this country has been of a higher scale then what gays had to endure.....Now I see that you're one, lambasting me, just because I have tried to argue about our predicament but nevertheless oppose gay marriage.

What does our past have to do with current discrimination of homosexuals?

Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.

That is what I have tried to say.....You don't understand the full meaning of my argument. Civil rights are not the same as gay rights...our past cannot be equated with what has happened to homosexuals. That's all I've been trying to say......There's no one here who agrees with me on this important issue.

[Blasveck]

I hope you realize that gay people have been murdered for being gay in the same way that people have been murderered for being black.

And still are today in 7 countries.

Again, equating your issues with the issues of African-Americans.......

Are you just outright ignoring the problems LGBT folks face right now? Do you think it's all fucking happy in la-la land?

Transpeople, for example, have a 50% suicide rate.
In 7 countries, the legal penalty for being gay is death.

In basically all of Africa, legal discrimination and social discrimination exists within most nations, even in South Africa.
Actually, in most of the world social discrimination (Homophobia) exists.
It's pretty goddamn terrible when you actually take the time to look.

I can give you some statistics if you so desire.