Same-sex marriage ban referendum in Croatia

[Petacada]

You have to remember that slavery was a lot different in bible times than what you think of when you hear slavery

Do explain how.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/slavery.html
Basically slavery then was not for your entire life. Some people sold themselves to work off debts. When the debts were worked off they went free

[Petacada]

Anyway, i don't think marriage should be decided by the government at all.

[Mavorpen]

Anyway, i don't think marriage should be decided by the government at all.

So you want to abolish marriage?

Sounds fine to me.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Anyway, i don't think marriage should be decided by the government at all.

If not by the government, then by whom? Churches? I wouldn't trust a religious establishment to make major social decisions like that.

[The Fascist American Empire]

After all, "Love thy brother as thy self,"

Cool, so you're in agreement that same sex marriage should be legal, correct?

Read my first post… Yes. Not something I'd ever do, but I don't have a problem with people who do. I actually have a few friends who are gays lesbians, or bisexuals. Wonderful people to be around. True, some aren't, but the same can be said for everybody else.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Anyway, i don't think marriage should be decided by the government at all.

Really, what is "legal" marriage but a piece of paper?

[The Fascist American Empire]

Cool, so you're in agreement that same sex marriage should be legal, correct?

Read my first post… Yes. Not something I'd ever do, but I don't have a problem with people who do. I actually have a few friends who are gays lesbians, or bisexuals. Wonderful people to be around. True, some aren't, but the same can be said for everybody else.

And you took that out of context.

[Petacada]

Anyway, i don't think marriage should be decided by the government at all.

If not by the government, then by whom? Churches? I wouldn't trust a religious establishment to make major social decisions like that.

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

[Divair]

If not by the government, then by whom? Churches? I wouldn't trust a religious establishment to make major social decisions like that.

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

Wrong. Marriage was created to gain political alliances. Some religions simply have ceremonies to celebrate marriages. Every developed country has civil marriage, the original version of marriage, not religious marriage.

[Mavorpen]

If not by the government, then by whom? Churches? I wouldn't trust a religious establishment to make major social decisions like that.

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

Unfortunately for you, this is the real world.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

If not by the government, then by whom? Churches? I wouldn't trust a religious establishment to make major social decisions like that.

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

[Petacada]

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

Why?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

Why?

1: To ensure that everyone has an equal right to marriage, regardless of race, religion, or gender.
2: To keep records of who is married and to give benefits to married couples.

[Divair]

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

Marriage is not a religious ceremony. The fact that atheists can get married is evidence enough.

[Menassa]

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

Why?

Because it's not really all that religious.

[Petacada]

Why?

1: To ensure that everyone has an equal right to marriage, regardless of race, religion, or gender.
2: To keep records of who is married and to give benefits to married couples.

There shouldn't be marriage benefits. And you honestly think the government regulating marriage allows for equal rights? If the government didn't regulate marriage, there would be equal rights in marriage still.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

Marriage is not a religious ceremony. The fact that atheists can get married is evidence enough.

Good Lord God Almighty, if you're here I'm leaving.

[Divair]

There shouldn't be marriage benefits.

Do you even understand how important these are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and ... ted_States

Right to benefits while married:
Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
Veteran's disability
Supplemental Security Income
Disability payments for federal employees
Medicaid
Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
Joint and family-related rights:
Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
Domestic violence intervention
Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
Court notice of probate proceedings
Domestic violence protection orders
Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
Funeral and bereavement leave
Joint adoption and foster care
Joint tax filing
Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
Legal status with stepchildren
Making spousal medical decisions
Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
Right of survivorship of custodial trust
Right to change surname upon marriage
Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
Right to inheritance of property
Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
Social Security pension
Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
survivor benefits for federal employees
Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
$100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

[Fascist Russian Empire]

1: To ensure that everyone has an equal right to marriage, regardless of race, religion, or gender.
2: To keep records of who is married and to give benefits to married couples.

There shouldn't be marriage benefits. And you honestly think the government regulating marriage allows for equal rights? If the government didn't regulate marriage, there would be equal rights in marriage still.

Churches could easily have racist or homophobic pastors that refuse to conduct interracial or same-sex marriages. If the government doesn't force churches to give equal opportunities, things like that could happen.

[Divair]

There shouldn't be marriage benefits. And you honestly think the government regulating marriage allows for equal rights? If the government didn't regulate marriage, there would be equal rights in marriage still.

Churches could easily have racist or homophobic pastors that refuse to conduct interracial or same-sex marriages. If the government doesn't force churches to give equal opportunities, things like that could happen.

Churches shouldn't be forced to perform ceremonies. They're not relevant when discussing marriage, really, since they're completely irrelevant when it comes to the process of marriage. I don't see why people have a hard time understanding this.

[Petacada]

There shouldn't be marriage benefits. And you honestly think the government regulating marriage allows for equal rights? If the government didn't regulate marriage, there would be equal rights in marriage still.

Churches could easily have racist or homophobic pastors that refuse to conduct interracial or same-sex marriages. If the government doesn't force churches to give equal opportunities, things like that could happen.

Churches should have the right to deny same-sex marriages.

[Divair]

Churches could easily have racist or homophobic pastors that refuse to conduct interracial or same-sex marriages. If the government doesn't force churches to give equal opportunities, things like that could happen.

Churches should have the right to deny same-sex marriages.

Ceremonies. Churches do not conduct marriages.

[Furious Grandmothers]

The government shod only hand out civil unions. Marriage itself is created by religion.

Marriage might be a religious ceremony, but the government has the right to regulate it.

Might've been mentioned before: The ceremony, the only part of marriage which might have anything to do with religion, is the wedding, not the marriage itself.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Churches could easily have racist or homophobic pastors that refuse to conduct interracial or same-sex marriages. If the government doesn't force churches to give equal opportunities, things like that could happen.

Churches should have the right to deny same-sex marriages.

And interracial marriages, and marriages between blond haired and black haired people, and marriages between people who are 5 feet tall and 6 feet tall...
How about no? If two guys or two girls want to have a religious wedding ceremony, churches shouldn't be able to deny them the right.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Churches should have the right to deny same-sex marriages.

Ceremonies. Churches do not conduct marriages.

Ceremonies, right, my bad.