Same-sex marriage ban referendum in Croatia

[DrakoLand]

Apparently the Serbian anti-LGBT spirit is spreading. Hope it comes down here soon.

What is that? the Balkan areas?

Greece

[The Shia Califate]

What is that? the Balkan areas?

Greece

You mean Greeks have internet? I hear they haven't discovered that shower heads go above your head, and not on the floor.

[Wind in the Willows]

It's up to the citizens.

No, not really.

They are holding a referndum, which is actually up to the citizens, so yes it is.

[Estado Paulista]

Greece

You mean Greeks have internet? I hear they haven't discovered that shower heads go above your head, and not on the floor.

...the fuck?

[Mavorpen]

Greece

You mean Greeks have internet? I hear they haven't discovered that shower heads go above your head, and not on the floor.

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[Soldati Senza Confini]

We can see your post, no need to repeat it for relevance.

If we don't discuss it we agree with it.

He probably didn't intentionally post it twice.

Sometimes if you press "submit" twice, it double posts.

Maybe his net is slow.

I know it has happened to me as well.

[DrakoLand]

You mean Greeks have internet? I hear they haven't discovered that shower heads go above your head, and not on the floor.

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Ditto

[The Fascist American Empire]

The bible explicitly states same sex marriage is wrong:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 19:4

So? Who cares what the bible says? It is demonstrably wrong on most issues, was written by humans hundreds of years in the past, and contains nothing more than a shitty moral system and outdated instructions for everyday life. Not to mention that religious assertions are in no way show or from valid ground for governmental policies.

Further, I demand consistency: If you support banning same sex marriage because the bible saysit is wrong then you must also support murder, infanticide, and genocide as the bible says they are just fine.

No, actually it says just the exact opposite. You atheists have twisted the Word of God into serving your own twisted purposes. Sickos.

[Farnhamia]

Greece

You mean Greeks have internet? I hear they haven't discovered that shower heads go above your head, and not on the floor.

I'm surprised you haven't learned the rules here yet. *** Warned for trolling ***

[Fascist Russian Empire]

The bible explicitly states same sex marriage is wrong:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 19:4

Leviticus is not part of Christianity. It is part of the Torah(five books of Moses) and applies only to Jews.

How many times do I have to repeat this fact?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, actually it says just the exact opposite. You atheists have twisted the Word of God into serving your own twisted purposes. Sickos.

Everyone does, which is why I don't take people who base their arguments on scripture seriously, because it can be interpreted in so many ways.

[Petacada]

I guess I'm confused about the fact that you say "we" took them up... and called it the bible. The "christian" movement was originally jewish, in fact, most christians would claim christianity is an extension of judaism.

Which would be false. It isn't a continuation, but rather a schism as seen with Paul of Tarsus and his wanting to separate Christian doctrine and Jewish doctrine. Christians were never recognized by the Jews and they are still not recognized as a sister religion because of the Messiah and a couple of other things they don't believe in.

The Christian movement began with Jewish men and, to a minimal extent, women; but it wasn't Judaism proper and Jews did not and still don't see us as sister religions outside of the context of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all fall on the same line of descent, but we don't agree with each other, therefore we see each other differently).

Last time i checked Jews believe in a messiah, but they are still waiting, unlike christians who believe Jesus is messiah.

[Petacada]

The bible explicitly states same sex marriage is wrong:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 19:4

Leviticus is not part of Christianity. It is part of the Torah(five books of Moses) and applies only to Jews.

How many times do I have to repeat this fact?

Probably a lot because your wrong. Leviticus is in the bible, thus a part of christianity

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Leviticus is not part of Christianity. It is part of the Torah(five books of Moses) and applies only to Jews.

How many times do I have to repeat this fact?

Probably a lot because your wrong. Leviticus is in the bible, thus a part of christianity

No. No it is not. The books of Moses(and the majority of the OT) became irrelevant after Christ came. Know you're religion before you make religious posts.

[Liriena]

Leviticus is not part of Christianity. It is part of the Torah(five books of Moses) and applies only to Jews.

How many times do I have to repeat this fact?

Probably a lot because your wrong. Leviticus is in the bible, thus a part of christianity

It is not a moral law that applies to Christians, however, much like the laws banning shrimp and pork. It only applies to Jews.

[San Lumen]

Let me ask you this what if the referendum was only straight Christians could marry and all others were banned? And the people voted in favor would that be okay with you?

I wouldn't be a fan of it, and if I was a Croatian I'd probably oppose it. But, seeing as I'm not, it's up to them.

Then why is it okay for there to be referendum banning same sex marriage? You'd wouldn;t be okay with one type of descrimination but another you'd be fine with?

[4years]

No, 1. actually it says just the exact opposite. You atheists have 2. twisted the Word of God into 3. serving your own twisted purposes. 4. Sickos.

1. will just repeat the list of biblical sources I provided earlier.

Outdated: Genesis 1 - The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and plants before animals. We now know that the order of events was completely opposite.
Genesis 2:18- Adams gets to name all the animals a task that would require him still being alive as we haven't even discovered them all yet. Not to mention that evolution didn't make it into the text.
Genesis 6:4- But where are the giants now?
Genesis 7- The absurd and obvious untrue story of Noah.
Leviticus 11:5-6- Hares don't chew cud.
Leviticus 11:22-23 - All insects don't have four legs.
Leviticus 11:13-19 and Deuteronomy 14:11-18- Bats are not birds.
Numbers 21:6- I am still waiting for the fire serpents to show up somewhere outside of myth.

Murderous: Leviticus 20:9- Children that insult their parents shall be killed.
Judges 11:30-40- Jephthah burns his daughter alive because god tells him to.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21- Disobedient children shall be killed.
2 Kings 15:16 - God sanctions the pregnant women of Tappuah being “ripped open”

Infanticide: 1 Samuel 15:3 - God orders the death of infants.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 - God is praised for killing babies.
Psalms 137:9 - Infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.

Genocidal: Exodus 12:29 -God kills every first-born child in Egypt.
Joshua 8 -God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai.
Lamentations 2:20-22 -God torments and kills people. He even compels women to eat their children.

2. Tell me, what ambiguity exists in killing an entire town because one person prefers another god, as Deuteronomy 13:13-19?

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."

I am only pointing out what the bible says and citing chapter and verse. If your "word of god" demands blood, that is not my doing but its author's.

3. What would I have to gain?

4. I am not the one who uses a book that demands killing people with different religious beliefs as scared scripture. (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:27, 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Zechariah 13:3, Deuteronomy 13:7-12) Let someone who's messiah didn't accept every iota, every dot, of this stuff cast the first stone.

[The Fascist American Empire]

No, actually it says just the exact opposite. You atheists have twisted the Word of God into serving your own twisted purposes. Sickos.

Everyone does, which is why I don't take people who base their arguments on scripture seriously, because it can be interpreted in so many ways.

True, but a true Christian is typically against violence. After all, "Love thy brother as thy self," "Thou shall not kill," etc. Besides, the world may use outdated stereotypes (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, etc.) to classify Christianity, but isn't intolerance not tolerated? I just noticed that some people had made rather violent posts against scripture is all. Granted, various interpretations have led to violence, but these do not take in the Bible as a whole, just bits and pieces.

[Mavorpen]

After all, "Love thy brother as thy self,"

Cool, so you're in agreement that same sex marriage should be legal, correct?

[4years]

Probably a lot because your wrong. Leviticus is in the bible, thus a part of christianity

No. No it is not. The books of Moses(and the majority of the OT) became irrelevant after Christ came. Know you're religion before you make religious posts.

Christ disagreed.

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:18-19)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)

[Liriena]

Everyone does, which is why I don't take people who base their arguments on scripture seriously, because it can be interpreted in so many ways.

True, but a true Christian is typically against violence.

"No true Scotsman" is a shitty argument.

After all, "Love thy brother as thy self," "Thou shall not kill," etc.

"Slaves, obey your masters", "women, shut the fuck up when men are talking", "if you misbehave you get to spend eternity in Hell", etc.

Besides, the world may use outdated stereotypes (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, etc.) to classify Christianity, but isn't intolerance not tolerated?

Criticism of intolerant and/or irrational beliefs =/= Intolerance

I just noticed that some people had made rather violent posts against scripture is all.

That's called 'criticism'. Since so many christians spend their lives trying to impose their doctrine on everybody else, it is only sensible that we subject their scripture to scrutiny.

Granted, various interpretations have led to violence, but these do not take in the Bible as a whole, just bits and pieces.

Again with the "no true Scotsman"...

[Fascist Russian Empire]

No. No it is not. The books of Moses(and the majority of the OT) became irrelevant after Christ came. Know you're religion before you make religious posts.

Christ disagreed.

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:18-19)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)

Chances are, Christ is referring to the laws of the New Testament.

[Petacada]

Probably a lot because your wrong. Leviticus is in the bible, thus a part of christianity

No. No it is not. The books of Moses(and the majority of the OT) became irrelevant after Christ came. Know you're religion before you make religious posts.

While they did become somewhat irrelevant, they are a still a part of christianity. Don't be a fool and make statements that are so obviously ment to be inflamitory.

[4years]

Everyone does, which is why I don't take people who base their arguments on scripture seriously, because it can be interpreted in so many ways.

True, but 1. a true Christian is typically against violence. 2. After all, "Love thy brother as thy self," "Thou shall not kill," etc. Besides, the world may use outdated stereotypes 3. (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, etc.) to classify Christianity, but isn't intolerance not tolerated? I just noticed that some people had made rather violent posts against scripture is all. Granted, various interpretations have led to violence, but 4. these do not take in the Bible as a whole, just bits and pieces.

1. What do true Scotsmen think about violence?
2. Small isolated pieces of documents that not only contradict them directly, but when taken as a whole utterly refute them.
3. "The history of Christianity isn't a valid metric for judging Christianity."
4. So the single command not to kill is now a larger portion of the text that the hundreds do laws commanding death?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

No. No it is not. The books of Moses(and the majority of the OT) became irrelevant after Christ came. Know you're religion before you make religious posts.

While they did become irrelevant, they are a still a part of cChristianity. Don't be a fool and make statements that are so obviously meant to be inflamimatory.

1: If it's irrelevant, then it has nothing to do with Christianity.
2: Debating is hardly inflammatory.