Same-sex marriage ban referendum in Croatia

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Maybe because "religion" invented the idea of marriage

I would prefer a source for that, because other religions believe in the conyugal union of a man and a woman, either for money (dowry) or something else like love, harmony, etc. So I am pretty damn sure Christianity doesn't own the monopoly on marriage, but again, show me a source.

[Liriena]

Why should religion have the monopoly on deciding the definition of marriage?

Maybe because "religion" invented the idea of marriage

Not the Judeo-Christian religion, and since religious institutions did not create and do not control civil marriage, your point is pretty much moot.

[Liriena]

Good job Croatia .

Yay for homophobia!

[Estado Paulista]

Why should religion have the monopoly on deciding the definition of marriage?

Why should something else not?

Because secularism. Crazy, rite?

[Estado Paulista]

Isn't Croatia a very homophobic country?

[European Socialist Republic]

Why should religion have the monopoly on deciding the definition of marriage?

Maybe because "religion" invented the idea of marriage

Source?

Also, there's evidence that we only recently shifted from polygyny to monogamy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Polygamy
http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 003-2458-x
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12962309

[Sol Nascente]

Isn't Croatia a very homophobic country?

Most of there "Ultras" ( Torcidas ) are right winged so we can assume they don't like Homosexual people.

[4years]

So? Who cares what the bible says? It is demonstrably wrong on most issues, was written by humans hundreds of years in the past, and contains nothing more than a shitty moral system and outdated instructions for everyday life. Not to mention that religious assertions are in no way show or from valid ground for governmental policies.
Further, I demand consistency: If you support banning same sex marriage because the bible saysit is wrong then you must also support murder, infanticide, and genocide as the bible says they are just fine.

Show me evidence of the bible being 1. outdated and in support of 2. murder and 3. infanticide and 4. genocide.

Sure.

1. Genesis 1 - The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and plants before animals. We now know that the order of events was completely opposite.
Genesis 2:18- Adams gets to name all the animals a task that would require him still being alive as we haven't even discovered them all yet. Not to mention that evolution didn't make it into the text.
Genesis 6:4- But where are the giants now?
Genesis 7- The absurd and obvious untrue story of Noah.
Leviticus 11:5-6- Hares don't chew cud.
Leviticus 11:22-23 - All insects don't have four legs.
Leviticus 11:13-19 and Deuteronomy 14:11-18- Bats are not birds.
Numbers 21:6- I am still waiting for the fire serpents to show up somewhere outside of myth.

2. Leviticus 20:9- Children that insult their parents shall be killed.
Judges 11:30-40- Jephthah burns his daughter alive because god tells him to.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21- Disobedient children shall be killed.
2 Kings 15:16 - God sanctions the pregnant women of Tappuah being “ripped open”

3. 1 Samuel 15:3 - God orders the death of infants.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 - God is praised for killing babies.
Psalms 137:9 - Infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.

4. Exodus 12:29 -God kills every first-born child in Egypt.
Joshua 8 -God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai.
Lamentations 2:20-22 -God torments and kills people. He even compels women to eat their children.

That enough for you?

[The Shia Califate]

iirc, Croatia has a socialist government. I don't know much else though.

[DrakoLand]

Apparently the Serbian anti-LGBT spirit is spreading. Hope it comes down here soon.

[Estado Paulista]

Isn't Croatia a very homophobic country?

Most of there "Ultras" ( Torcidas ) are right winged so we can assume they don't like Homosexual people.

I can believe some hoolingans don't like homossexuals. But is this feeling shared by a large plurality of the population?

[Petacada]

Show me evidence of the bible being outdated and in support of murder and infanticide and genocide.

The bible is outdated in historical perspective because the customs and traditions are those only within context of Israel, and a very agrarian and fledging country at that, so their law works for them within the context of the circumstances they were brought to the land, and as such Jews are respected in my opinion at least because they have held the traditions of their land.

The fact that we took them up, added some nice confetti and called it "The Bible" and nobody bothered to double check their "canon" shit is irrelevant. Religiously it's relevant, but historically? We don't follow most of the thing so why is it not outdated?

I guess I'm confused about the fact that you say "we" took them up... and called it the bible. The "christian" movement was originally jewish, in fact, most christians would claim christianity is an extension of judaism.

[Liriena]

Apparently the Serbian anti-LGBT spirit is spreading. Hope it comes down here soon.

Why? So you can revel in LGBT people's unnecessary misery or something?

[The Fascist American Empire]

Hopefully they will vote for banning. Croats are sensible people.

These two sentences are incompatible. Sensible people would vote against a same-sex marriage ban.

I'm a mostly-conservative Christian, but I think that gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry. Bible itself says that there is no unpardonable sin except blasphemy against the holy spirit. Besides, it might take a thousand years, but it's pretty much inevitable. Same-sex marriage will be allowed by law in all countries. Inevitable.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

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That enough for you?

Put them in relevant context.

The Jews were conquering a land, and back then even Babilonians didn't care about 'children'. Therefore to say the Jews were bad is merely a focus of attention. However, most of the ancient world was like that, so killing babies, genocide, and murder was kosher back then when you were trying to conquer lands.

[Sol Nascente]

Most of there "Ultras" ( Torcidas ) are right winged so we can assume they don't like Homosexual people.

I can believe some hoolingans don't like homossexuals. But is this feeling shared by a large plurality of the population?

If they are like Serbs it's a sure thing.

[4years]

iirc, Croatia has a socialist government. I don't know much else though.

No, it doesn't.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The bible is outdated in historical perspective because the customs and traditions are those only within context of Israel, and a very agrarian and fledging country at that, so their law works for them within the context of the circumstances they were brought to the land, and as such Jews are respected in my opinion at least because they have held the traditions of their land.

The fact that we took them up, added some nice confetti and called it "The Bible" and nobody bothered to double check their "canon" shit is irrelevant. Religiously it's relevant, but historically? We don't follow most of the thing so why is it not outdated?

I guess I'm confused about the fact that you say "we" took them up... and called it the bible. The "christian" movement was originally jewish, in fact, most christians would claim christianity is an extension of judaism.

Which would be false. It isn't a continuation, but rather a schism as seen with Paul of Tarsus and his wanting to separate Christian doctrine and Jewish doctrine. Christians were never recognized by the Jews and they are still not recognized as a sister religion because of the Messiah and a couple of other things they don't believe in.

The Christian movement began with Jewish men and, to a minimal extent, women; but it wasn't Judaism proper and Jews did not and still don't see us as sister religions outside of the context of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all fall on the same line of descent, but we don't agree with each other, therefore we see each other differently).

[Estado Paulista]

I can believe some hoolingans don't like homossexuals. But is this feeling shared by a large plurality of the population?

If they are like Serbs it's a sure thing.

Well, since homophobia is rampant on the Balkans/Eastern Europe, I'll assume they are.

If this proposal passes —something that I believe will happen— there's nothing we can do but to condemn. I don't believe the European Union will take any action about it.

[The Fascist American Empire]

I'm a mostly-conservative Christian, but I think that gays and lesbians should be able to get married. The Bible itself says that there is no unpardonable sin except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It might take a thousand years, but it's inevitable that it will be allowed by law in all countries.

[The Fascist American Empire]

I'm a mostly-conservative Christian, but I think that gays and lesbians should be able to get married. The Bible itself says that there is no unpardonable sin except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It make take a thousand years, but it's inevitable that it will be allowed by law in all countries.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm a mostly-conservative Christian, but I think that gays and lesbians should be able to get married. The Bible itself says that there is no unpardonable sin except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It make take a thousand years, but it's inevitable that it will be allowed by law in all countries.

We can see your post, no need to repeat it for relevance.

If we don't discuss it we agree with it.

[The Fascist American Empire]

I'm a mostly-conservative Christian, but I think that gays and lesbians should be able to get married. The Bible itself says that there is no unpardonable sin except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It make take a thousand years, but it's inevitable that it will be allowed by law in all countries.

We can see your post, no need to repeat it for relevance.

If we don't discuss it we agree with it.

I can't help it. I don't know why it keeps doing that. I really hate computers sometimes.

[Mavorpen]

I'm a mostly-conservative Christian, but I think that gays and lesbians should be able to get married. The Bible itself says that there is no unpardonable sin except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It make take a thousand years, but it's inevitable that it will be allowed by law in all countries.

We can see your post, no need to repeat it for relevance.

If we don't discuss it we agree with it.

He probably didn't intentionally post it twice.

Sometimes if you press "submit" twice, it double posts.

[Jamjai]

Apparently the Serbian anti-LGBT spirit is spreading. Hope it comes down here soon.

What is that? the Balkan areas?