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Meowfoundland wrote:

Neuhausen wrote:
Heterosexuals are very civilized compared to homosexuals. We don't make parades where we are trying to yell in everyones face what sexuality we belong to.

Huh, I wonder what this would fall under.

God-fearing French fry Parade.
,but seriously this is stupid.

Neuhausen wrote:

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Yeah. People need to learn that homosexuality ain't a choice and is natural.

Homosexuals need to learn that people are against same-sex marriage...

Homophobes need to learn that people have human rights...

Othelos wrote:

Neuhausen wrote:
Homosexuals need to learn that people are against same-sex marriage...

Heterosexuals need to learn that people have human rights...

People like that infuriate me. "I don't like what you do, so please do it somewhere where I won't see it or have to think about it."
Seriously, grow the fuck up. I'm not into girls, but I don't complain when I see a lesbian couple. Are people really so God damn immature as to want to deny people rights just because they don't like that group?

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:

Othelos wrote:Heterosexuals need to learn that people have human rights...

People like that infuriate me. "I don't like what you do, so please do it somewhere where I won't see it or have to think about it."
Seriously, grow the fuck up. I'm not into girls, but I don't complain when I see a lesbian couple. Are people really so God damn immature as to want to deny people rights just because they don't like that group?

Unfortunately, yeah. People think they have some sort of moral obligation to oppose same sex marriage (but the real reason is actually "ew". All the other pseudo-legitimate arguments only exist to hide that fact).

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:I hear Koper and Izola are lovely cities. Its also not very far from Trieste.

Capodistria and isola are beautiful Should be Italian.

Not to get off topic, but both cities are majority Slovene.

The Carlisle wrote:

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Capodistria and isola are beautiful Should be Italian.

Not to get off topic, but both cities are majority Slovene.

Lets not.

Neuhausen wrote:

Menassa wrote:Why Jews can't be secretly Jews?
Why heterosexuals can't be secretly heterosexual?

Heterosexuals are very civilized compared to homosexuals. We don't make parades where we are trying to yell in everyones face what sexuality we belong to.

No, we just kill everyone who disagrees with us, which is far more efficient than letting other people have an opinion.

Othelos wrote:

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:People like that infuriate me. "I don't like what you do, so please do it somewhere where I won't see it or have to think about it."
Seriously, grow the fuck up. I'm not into girls, but I don't complain when I see a lesbian couple. Are people really so God damn immature as to want to deny people rights just because they don't like that group?

Unfortunately, yeah. People think they have some sort of moral obligation to oppose same sex marriage (but the real reason is actually "ew". All the other pseudo-legitimate arguments only exist to hide that fact).

And you know what the worst part is? The hypocrisy. Female homosexuality is generally thought of as 'hot' and lesbians don't face that much discrimination. Male homosexuality, on the other hand, is thought of as 'gross' and 'wrong', and male homosexuals(like me) face tons of discrimination. One gender being gay is okay, but not the other, according to their logic. Hell, in most Islamic countries, male homosexuality is punishable by death, while female homosexuality is legal.

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:

Othelos wrote:Unfortunately, yeah. People think they have some sort of moral obligation to oppose same sex marriage (but the real reason is actually "ew". All the other pseudo-legitimate arguments only exist to hide that fact).

And you know what the worst part is? The hypocrisy. Female homosexuality is generally thought of as 'hot' and lesbians don't face that much discrimination. Male homosexuality, on the other hand, is thought of as 'gross' and 'wrong', and male homosexuals(like me) face tons of discrimination. One gender being gay is okay, but not the other, according to their logic. Hell, in most Islamic countries, male homosexuality is punishable by death, while female homosexuality is legal.

That's because every man's fantasy is to have a threesome. Get with them times! It's not "not legalizing same-sex marriages" it's about "let's not give any rights to those penis-wielding bastards"

Or so, I think they think like that.

Neuhausen wrote:Homosexuals need to learn that people are against same-sex marriage...

Not where I am. Same-sex marriage has been legal for 7 years now and support for the institution is at an all-time high.

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:

Othelos wrote:Unfortunately, yeah. People think they have some sort of moral obligation to oppose same sex marriage (but the real reason is actually "ew". All the other pseudo-legitimate arguments only exist to hide that fact).

And you know what the worst part is? The hypocrisy. Female homosexuality is generally thought of as 'hot' and lesbians don't face that much discrimination. Male homosexuality, on the other hand, is thought of as 'gross' and 'wrong', and male homosexuals(like me) face tons of discrimination. One gender being gay is okay, but not the other, according to their logic. Hell, in most Islamic countries, male homosexuality is punishable by death, while female homosexuality is legal.

Yeah, double standards are ridiculous.

If two "normal" looking girls hold hands, people think they're just best friends or sisters. If two "normal" looking guys hold hands, "ew gays".

Mad Jack wrote:

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:2: Not all religious groups are homophobic. While some Christian denominations might be homophobic, quite a few are not. Take Brazil and Argentina(both of which have massive Catholic populations) as an example; both have same-sex marriage legal.

We really, really shouldn't be using Brazil as an example. Whilst, yes, same sex marriage is legal the country has a huge problem with anti-LGBT violence.

A homophobic murder occurs once every 2 to 3 days, with a death of over 2,700 in the period 1980 to 2009. 65% of LGBTs in Brazil have been the victim of a hate crime.

Only less than 3000 in 30 years? You do realize that about 50000 people are registered by police (an oten sick, reactionary, anti-human rights and corrupt police) to have been murdered each year, right?

Brazil is both fairly tolerant and progressive for a third world middle income country, and fairly violent for anything Neolithic.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Only less than 3000 in 30 years? You do realize that about 50000 people are registered by police (an oten sick, reactionary, anti-human rights and corrupt police) to have been murdered each year, right?

I guess we shouldn't be using Brazil as an example for crime safety either.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Brazil is both fairly tolerant and progressive for a third world middle income country, and fairly violent for anything Neolithic.

Mad Jack wrote:A homophobic murder occurs once every 2 to 3 days, with a death of over 2,700 in the period 1980 to 2009. 65% of LGBTs in Brazil have been the victim of a hate crime.

You call this tolereance?

Mad Jack wrote:

Estado Paulista wrote:
Thank you. I'm sick of seeing people using Brazil as an example regarding LGBT rights.

Mmm. Brazil is a country seemingly at war with itself over LGBT rights. 77% are in favour of the creation of specific offences relating to anti-LGBT violence, but there's still this huge death toll and amount of violence.

Yep. Our parliament passed the anti-discrimination bill, but the Evangelical Senators killed it for the 3rd or 4th time.

Estado Paulista wrote:You call this tolereance?

Try to make a pride parade in Africa or at least 4/5 of Asia, and being open about it with your local social circle...

Cultural evaluations tend to rate it in the top 10% of least sexist Latin American countries, and in the 2010s we often rank first (yeah, above Chile and Argentina, something even I don't believe a lot).

Dumbfuck people don't need many especial reasons to murder someone, and certainty they will hardly get caught and prosecuted for too long. But the feeling of sexual freedom to European-like levels in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo is not usual for the third world. Hell, it's better than most of Eastern Europe.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Try to make a pride parade in Africa or at least 4/5 of Asia, and being open about it with your local social circle...

Yeah, I realise there are worse places to be gay. Doesn't mean Brazil is good.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Cultural evaluations tend to rate it in the top 10% of least sexist Latin American countries, and in the 2010s we often rank first (yeah, above Chile and Argentina, something even I don't believe a lot).

Yeah, I doubt this A LOT. Can you give me a source?

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Dumbfuck people don't need many especial reasons to murder someone, and certainty they will hardly get caught and prosecuted for too long.

They don't, but when X person is homossexual and this fact influences Y to kill that person, we call it a hate crime. It isn't exactly a sign X's country is tolerant.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:But the feeling of sexual freedom to European-like levels in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo is not usual for the third world. Hell, it's better than most of Eastern Europe.

Rio de Janeiro & São Paulo =/= Not all of Brazil. Althought they are very important cities in the world and people there may be a little more tolerant, doesn't mean the country itself is a good place to be gay. Hell, even some parts of these cities aren't a good place to be gay.

Also; "Yeah, I realise there are worse places to be gay. Doesn't mean Brazil is good".

Blasveck wrote:

Mavorpen wrote:Seriously. You even face shit that we don't.

Black people aren't banned from donating blood. Black people can get married.

*flips table*

What?

What?

It is something present even in Western European countries who have plenty of civil rights for us.

My country is one of the most progressive in this regard and even though we are not banned by sexual orientation, once-in-a-lifetime homosexual coital action or being indirectly gay by having sex with a bisexual man, we still have to [pretend (it's a face value thing here)] not fuck with some other guy for the last 12 months.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:My country is one of the most progressive in this regard.

It is not. Stop pretending it is.

Estado Paulista wrote:

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Cultural evaluations tend to rate it in the top 10% of least sexist Latin American countries, and in the 2010s we often rank first (yeah, above Chile and Argentina, something even I don't believe a lot).

Yeah, I doubt this A LOT. Can you give me a source?

As a fluminense who knows a lot of the neighboring culture to my state too (Espírito Santo got the worst statistics when it comes to domestic violence) and who has to admit how our paulista and sulista brethren are a lot more progressed and civilized in this regard, I know how this might be shocking.

Again, this might be biased in favor of powerful urban centres, as probably the majority of these polls, and not register enough poor people who tend to be confined to the environments not hostile to them in such urbes.

http://www.douradosagora.com.br/noticias/brasil/brasil-e-o-pais-em-que-homens-e-mulheres-tem-o-maior-numero-de-parceiros-sexuais

http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EDR70422-6014,00.html

It is nowhere my intention, though, to deny assessments like this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:t5pUWjXtmrEJ:rafaellbraga.wordpress.com/author/rafaelbraga00/page/77/+&cd=7&hl=pt-BR&ct=clnk&gl=br

Estado Paulista wrote:

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:My country is one of the most progressive in this regard.

It is not. Stop pretending it is.

Dude you even importance of context?

Most culturally Euro-descended countries and about all of those that aren't ban gays from donating blood. 12 months > lifetime. And even these 12 months are already being legally questioned.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EDR70422-6014,00.html

Hmm. This article says Brazil is the least sexist country in Latin America. That's a good thing, but Latin America isn't really an example regarding gender equality.

Being the least sexist country in Latin America is like being the country with the least AIDS cases in sub-Saharan Africa. We're better than our neighbors, but we're still pretty fucked.

It doesn't indicate the country is progressive on international standars, only in regional ones.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:As a fluminense who knows a lot of the neighboring culture to my state too (Espírito Santo got the worst statistics when it comes to domestic violence) and who has to admit how our paulista and sulista brethren are a lot more progressed and civilized in this regard, I know how this might be shocking.

Paulistas & Sulistas are more civilized than the rest of Brazil?! Color me surpised!

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:

Estado Paulista wrote:It is not. Stop pretending it is.

Dude you even importance of context?

Most culturally Euro-descended countries and about all of those that aren't ban gays from donating blood. 12 months > lifetime. And even these 12 months are already being legally questioned.

Is it so? Last time I checked, gays can't donate blood here either.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:My country is one of the most progressive in this regard

lolno

The gay marriage loophole (it wasn't actually equality law, it was just a change of procedures that allow people to marry with much less bureaucracy, but it still depends on finding a favorable office) would be soundly rejected if it was put to popular vote.

You talk like it's normal that a gay person has to hide their orientation around other people. What do they hide from, if this is such a progressive country? Think about it. For many gay people, and disproportionately poor gay people, it's a matter of life and death. When a politician says on national television that he would kill his own son if he was gay, he's echoing untold millions of parents around the country. When that abhorrent scumbag Marco Feliciano (may no worm get indigestion eating his rotting corpse) says he wants to "cure" gay people, he's just repeating what's being preached about in the pews. When football supporters actively hostilize homosexuals among them, you bet they're not doing that only when dressed up in team colors.

Oh, you can point out to so-and-so who's beloved and in television, but for every rich gay or trans that is respected, dozens more (usually poor) are hurt in silence all the time.

Brazil is far from being a progressive haven, and here the urban areas manage to be even more dangerously backward. We like to think of ourselves as different from our neighbors, but we suffer from the same machismo problem as other Latin American countries. It damages not only homosexuals, but also women, trans people and whoever doesn't conform to our fucked up gender binaries.

Dainer wrote:

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:My country is one of the most progressive in this regard

lolno

-snip-

Importance of context.

Also, Bolsonaro meant domestic violence rather than murder. (He should've been prosecuted for inciting hatred nonetheless.)

This you cited will only go away when Christianity goes away and a more comprehensive and sensitive understanding of human sexuality, sex and gender comes. But this will depend on education, media and people growing a thick skin against all of our fucked up institutions. It will never happen without communism. Actual one, rather than those PSOL fuckers who sell themselves while teachers are striking and don't know shit, not even the existence of anarcho-capitalism or the danger that institutions such as those financed by George Soros present here.

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:

Othelos wrote:Unfortunately, yeah. People think they have some sort of moral obligation to oppose same sex marriage (but the real reason is actually "ew". All the other pseudo-legitimate arguments only exist to hide that fact).

And you know what the worst part is? The hypocrisy. Female homosexuality is generally thought of as 'hot' and lesbians don't face that much discrimination. Male homosexuality, on the other hand, is thought of as 'gross' and 'wrong', and male homosexuals(like me) face tons of discrimination. One gender being gay is okay, but not the other, according to their logic. Hell, in most Islamic countries, male homosexuality is punishable by death, while female homosexuality is legal.

Don't worry. I'm equally (lesbians also) against same-sex marriage.