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Postby Thanatttynia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:17 am

Poor Australia. So far from Her Majesty and so close to the South Pole.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:18 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Somebody needs to explain to me Why I Should CareTM beyond our theoretical head of state not being Australian.


Hmmrpf. The current Queen of Australia is ALSO Australian. Of course.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:38 am

isn't it time?

what are the upsides to pretending to be vassals of the UK?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:39 am

Ashmoria wrote:isn't it time?

what are the upsides to pretending to be vassals of the UK?


Tea, crumpets, cucumber sandwiches and Doctor Who.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:48 am

Risottia wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:isn't it time?

what are the upsides to pretending to be vassals of the UK?


Tea, crumpets, cucumber sandwiches and Doctor Who.

the USA gets all of that PLUS we don't have to bother with cricket!

I don't know how Australia can resist a deal like that.
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Postby Neo-Achaemenid Empire (Ancient) » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:31 am

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And what if the GG, makes a stance that you do not support? The role is meant to be above politics and uniting, not opinionated.

Then I'll allow them to express that view?

Except, people have their motivations, interests, etc. Sure they can mostly be above politics, but they will never be completely above it. Look at Prince Charlie for example.
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Postby Regenburg » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:33 am

Densaner wrote:Good. I hope Australia does become a republic some day. Australia having our head of state seems anachronistic. Britain should also dump the Monarchy as it is an outmoded and cynical system.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:51 am

I strongly support it. I would love to see an Australian republic.

I do find the monarchists' attachment to Britain and the Queen quite unhealthy.
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Postby Rhodesi » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:55 am

What a ghastly woman...
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Postby South Eastern Africa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:58 am

Can't see it happen for another generation. Labor seem far too weak at the moment, is there even a Republican majority amongst their leadership? Can't see the Coalition supporting another referendum whilst they are in government. How big an issue is it amongst Australians? Constitutional reform in the UK isn't really a big issue (well the Independence referendum in Scotland, but it is not as exciting as Scots Nats politicians like to think).

I am very pro the Anglosphere and would like us all to retain as close cultural ties as possible.
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:08 am

Probably a good thing.
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:14 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:This, from a woman who swore to "be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors according to law, so help me God." Oathbreaker! Hypocrit! This woman isn't fit for the role she has been given.


Don't worry. She's gone in March.

Also, what's all this about loving their fellow countrymen and women so much that only one of them is worthy to be Head of State? I always suspected that the Australian republican movement had a fascistic streak.


If World War Two proved anything it's either that you're a monarchist or a fascist.

Besides which, the Her Majesty the Queen is an Australian in any legal sense,


Really? How peculiar.

and I'd argue that she's culturally no different to the vast majority of Australians as well.


Certainly, we're all just poms with a sun tan. I mean she's been here at least two times. She's practically a local.

She speaks English, is a Christian like the majority of Australians, probably shares most of the same values as most Australians and is the same ethnicity as most Australians for those who care about that sort of thing.


Yes we need her to preserve the white Christian heritage that our nation is all about.

But hey, clearly she doesn't qualify as a member of the Australian Master Race. Heil Bryce!


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Postby Olthar » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:19 am

That would be neat.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:34 am

Sure, why not? I mean, how does Australia benefit from having a British Queen??
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:39 am

I should point out that most british people I speak to wouldn't consider it at all insulting or distancing for you guys to turn into a republic.

The connections in culture, history, and values we share are what make us like you guys and presumably visa versa. The monarchy is just a legal framework. Only nutters would care about the australians scrapping it, and in some respects I think many British people would be relieved.
A major argument brought up against republicanism in the UK is that we kinda can't really justify doing that while other nations still use our monarchy so lets wait for them to go republican first.

If Australia goes with a presidential system it wont effect the way we see you guys, so it really is a matter of internal policy. Don't let the pro-monarchist factions trick you into thinking it'd be an insult or something like that.
Similarly, please don't let the pro-republicans make this devolve into anti-britishness.
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Postby Cetacea » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:11 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:If Australia goes with a presidential system it wont effect the way we see you guys,
Similarly, please don't let the pro-republicans make this devolve into anti-britishness.


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Postby Dangelia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:15 am

No. Australia should remain a monarchy. Australia and Liechtenstein have the best governments in the world.

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Postby Britanno » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:16 am

If the Aussies want a Republic, they should be free to have one.

If I was an Australian...

Would I really want to throw away a big part of my nation's culture?
Would I think that Elizabeth II is completely different to me?
Would I care that Elizabeth II isn't Australian?

The answers are no, no and no.
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Postby The United Confederacy of Texas » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:16 am

I wish to see Australia as a republic, but would probably look like Canada.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:If Australia goes with a presidential system it wont effect the way we see you guys, so it really is a matter of internal policy. Don't let the pro-monarchist factions trick you into thinking it'd be an insult or something like that.
Similarly, please don't let the pro-republicans make this devolve into anti-britishness.


Australia + Presidential republic = Best country in the world
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:17 am

The United Confederacy of Texas wrote:I wish to see Australia as a republic, but would probably look like Canada.


How? :eyebrow:
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:18 am

YES, YES, YES. We need to secede. Presidential Australian republic FTW.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:20 am

The United Confederacy of Texas wrote:I wish to see Australia as a republic, but would probably look like Canada.

Canada is still in the Commonwealth, meaning that the two countries are on the same footing.

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Postby Iaeptus » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:20 am

Densaner wrote:Good. I hope Australia does become a republic some day. Australia having our head of state seems anachronistic. Britain should also dump the Monarchy as it is an outmoded and cynical system.

Don't tell us what to dump and what not to do. If we want our monarchy we'll keep it. If we don't we'll ditch it. You're views don't matter in the slightest. Just like how I believe that the Aussies (and only the Aussies) should pick: monarchy or republic?
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Postby Zonolia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:20 am

So probably an dumb question but if Australia does indeed drop Her Majesty...will anything actually change apart from the Queen having absolutely no power? I mean the government system would remain the same minus a Queen right? or...
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