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Postby Hyfling » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:39 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Not only! Some of them have even the cheek of hating Marmite and saying so publicly! It's bloody treason!

Marmite is good, but vegemite is the best.

Promite is better. *gets pelted with meat pies, footballs and Holdens*
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Postby Emile Zola » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:46 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Emile Zola wrote:Being an Australian old enough to voted for a Republic

How old are you, exactly?

Well the referendum was in 1999. Old enough to be eligible for that.

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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:49 am

Hyfling wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Marmite is good, but vegemite is the best.

Promite is better. *gets pelted with meat pies, footballs and Holdens*

Promite tastes horrible. You should be ashamed.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:49 am

Emile Zola wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:How old are you, exactly?

Well the referendum was in 1999. Old enough to be eligible for that.

Snazzy. I wasn't even born then. I was born in 2000.
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Postby Synkomdi » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:55 am

Well I refuse to read through 7 pages, so I'm going to dump my thoughts and leave.

Australia should become a Republic. The Governor-General can block any piece of legislation, command the military, and dissolve the parliament. This is simply too much power to be concentrated into one person that isn't chosen by the people. If Australia did become a republic, I believe that the GG should be replaced with a non-executive president chosen by a vote in a joint sitting of the House of Representatives and the Senate (226 seats, 114 needed for an absolute majority). Basically, the President would have much the same powers as before, but they wouldn't be able to use most of them without it being co-signed by the Prime Minister.
Also basically anything similar to that would also work, I rather like the system in France so perhaps something similar.
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Postby Royale Philippines » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:58 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Royale Philippines wrote:This is why I hate republicans. They express themselves freely without feeling any shame at all. :mad:

Why would God save them when they have the nerve being atheists.

Why should we be ashamed of loving freedom and democracy? How do we have nerve by not worshipping a nonexistent being?

How dare you speak against God in such words! This is why those poor nations stay poor as they thought democracy can still save them somehow when the elected officials live like kings and queens while they, the people starve to death!

The difference between a democracy and a constitutional monarchy is almost nothing, presidents live like monarchs! :mad:
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Wind in the Willows
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:13 am

What would be the point? Australia is basically independent, as the Her Majesty Elizabeth II doesn't have any actual power over the government there.

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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:16 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:What would be the point? Australia is basically independent, as the Her Majesty Elizabeth II doesn't have any actual power over the government there.

Good point. Seeing as she doesn't have much power, let's make her Queen of The United States as well. You'll keep your government, but she'll be the head of state.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:18 am

Royale Philippines wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Why should we be ashamed of loving freedom and democracy? How do we have nerve by not worshipping a nonexistent being?

How dare you speak against God in such words! This is why those poor nations stay poor as they thought democracy can still save them somehow when the elected officials live like kings and queens while they, the people starve to death!

The difference between a democracy and a constitutional monarchy is almost nothing, presidents live like monarchs! :mad:

What about dem Yankees? They're filthy stinkin' rich and without a monarch.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:21 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Royale Philippines wrote:How dare you speak against God in such words! This is why those poor nations stay poor as they thought democracy can still save them somehow when the elected officials live like kings and queens while they, the people starve to death!

The difference between a democracy and a constitutional monarchy is almost nothing, presidents live like monarchs! :mad:

What about dem Yankees? They're filthy stinkin' rich and without a monarch.


The US is trillions of dollars in debt, they're hardly rich.

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Postby Royale Philippines » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:21 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Royale Philippines wrote:How dare you speak against God in such words! This is why those poor nations stay poor as they thought democracy can still save them somehow when the elected officials live like kings and queens while they, the people starve to death!

The difference between a democracy and a constitutional monarchy is almost nothing, presidents live like monarchs! :mad:

What about dem Yankees? They're filthy stinkin' rich and without a monarch.

Exactly, want a democracy like them? Be my guest!
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:22 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:What would be the point? Australia is basically independent, as the Her Majesty Elizabeth II doesn't have any actual power over the government there.

Good point. Seeing as she doesn't have much power, let's make her Queen of The United States as well. You'll keep your government, but she'll be the head of state.


Making her Queen of the United States would not affect me in the slightest. I am not American. :p

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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:24 am

Royale Philippines wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:What about dem Yankees? They're filthy stinkin' rich and without a monarch.

Exactly, want a democracy like them? Be my guest!

There are better examples of democracies that aren't hell-holes.
Germany is a great example. It's a wonderful social democracy that I'd love to live in.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:25 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Good point. Seeing as she doesn't have much power, let's make her Queen of The United States as well. You'll keep your government, but she'll be the head of state.


Making her Queen of the United States would not affect me in the slightest. I am not American. :p

MAKE HER QUEEN OF EVERYWHERE THEN!!! THE PENGUINS OF ANTARCTICA SHALL SUBMIT TO ELIZABETH II'S RULE!!!
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:26 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:
Making her Queen of the United States would not affect me in the slightest. I am not American. :p

MAKE HER QUEEN OF EVERYWHERE THEN!!! THE PENGUINS OF ANTARCTICA SHALL SUBMIT TO ELIZABETH II'S RULE!!!


Very well then. :unsure:

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Postby Vozt Yurkova » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:28 am

As an Englishman, I fully endorse an Australian republic and would not personally see it as a slight towards my nation.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:32 am

Vozt Yurkova wrote:As an Englishman, I fully endorse an Australian republic and would not personally see it as a slight towards my nation.

:clap:
That's a good fellow!
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:36 am

Synkomdi wrote:Well I refuse to read through 7 pages, so I'm going to dump my thoughts and leave.

Australia should become a Republic. The Governor-General can block any piece of legislation, command the military, and dissolve the parliament. This is simply too much power to be concentrated into one person that isn't chosen by the people. If Australia did become a republic, I believe that the GG should be replaced with a non-executive president chosen by a vote in a joint sitting of the House of Representatives and the Senate (226 seats, 114 needed for an absolute majority). Basically, the President would have much the same powers as before, but they wouldn't be able to use most of them without it being co-signed by the Prime Minister.
Also basically anything similar to that would also work, I rather like the system in France so perhaps something similar.


Do you mean in the most ceremonial of senses? Because that's all they have, they have no actual power in that area. They don't even get to attend low security meetings to do with defense, unlike the prime minster, Defence Minister and the Chief of the Defense Force who do actually command the military.
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Postby Densaner » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:49 am

Good for Australia. :clap:

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Postby Royale Philippines » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:50 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Royale Philippines wrote:Exactly, want a democracy like them? Be my guest!

There are better examples of democracies that aren't hell-holes.
Germany is a great example. It's a wonderful social democracy that I'd love to live in.

Well, you have a point there.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:07 am

Synkomdi wrote:Well I refuse to read through 7 pages, so I'm going to dump my thoughts and leave.

Australia should become a Republic. The Governor-General can block any piece of legislation, command the military, and dissolve the parliament. This is simply too much power to be concentrated into one person that isn't chosen by the people. If Australia did become a republic, I believe that the GG should be replaced with a non-executive president chosen by a vote in a joint sitting of the House of Representatives and the Senate (226 seats, 114 needed for an absolute majority). Basically, the President would have much the same powers as before, but they wouldn't be able to use most of them without it being co-signed by the Prime Minister.
Also basically anything similar to that would also work, I rather like the system in France so perhaps something similar.

A system where the president is powerless without the signature of the prime minister defeats the point of having a president in the first place. If we had a president, we'd have a presidential election. Having the House and Senate elect a President is pointless; basically asking them to choose a second PM.
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Postby Chelta » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:27 am

Emile Zola wrote:To make matters worse the PM at the time deliberately changed the debate from should we become a republic to what form of government should a republic have? Setting of a schism between presidential and parliamentary republicans. And for the public that was way over their heads.


The exact proposed changes to the Constitution have to be put to referendum. An open-ended referendum asking "Do you think Australia should become a republic?" would have been unconstitutional. The Act amending the Constitution and the referendum question have to specify what changes to the text Parliament is proposing to make.

Therefore any schism within the republican camp over the model was self-inflicted; it would have happened anyway.


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Postby Frostmark » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:31 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Royale Philippines wrote:Exactly, want a democracy like them? Be my guest!

There are better examples of democracies that aren't hell-holes.
Germany is a great example. It's a wonderful social democracy that I'd love to live in.

Germany would be a nice constitutional monarchy. At one stage in 2013 one in five Germans would have supported a restoration, and one in three thought royal houses were still relevant. Supposedly Bavarians would likely not accept the Prussian Hohenzollerns as their monarch now anyway though. The forced deposition of all future Hohenzollerns after the First World War was a shame, placing them into a constitutional role as they likely would have become under Freddy could have worked out better for everyone.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:42 am

Frostmark wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:There are better examples of democracies that aren't hell-holes.
Germany is a great example. It's a wonderful social democracy that I'd love to live in.

Germany would be a nice constitutional monarchy. At one stage in 2013 one in five Germans would have supported a restoration, and one in three thought royal houses were still relevant. Supposedly Bavarians would likely not accept the Prussian Hohenzollerns as their monarch now anyway though. The forced deposition of all future Hohenzollerns after the First World War was a shame, placing them into a constitutional role as they likely would have become under Freddy could have worked out better for everyone.

To be honest if the German monarchs were not deposed, they would of stopped Hitler from making anti-semetic policies. The German monarchy were more accepting of Jewish people than other monarchies.
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