Iran Agrees to Nuke Deal

[Gallup]

We'll see. I don't believe for a second the Iranians have suddenly given up on their nuclear ambitions.

Even though they put a fatwa on nuclear weapons?

Those fatwas mean nothing. It all depends on who issues them.

[Wolfmanne]

This is good. Well done America and Iran. I could truly believe their new President when he said Iran has no nukes, so this is definitely the right response by Obama.

[Virana]

This is good. Well done America and Iran. I could truly believe their new President when he said Iran has no nukes, so this is definitely the right response by Obama.

Don't give all the credit to America. It was a deal that involved all permanent members of the UN Security Council.

[Kylistan]

He condemned nuclear weapons and through them nuclear strikes in much stronger words than Israel ever has.

Yes he did. But in international politics, only a fool trusts a leader (especially on autocratic one) based on words.

Agreed. I guess my question to all of you who are praising this deal as a great diplomatic breakthrough... Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday?

I know that I don't because Iran will continue to dance around UN inspections as long as they are allowed to continue their nuclear program. This deal allows them to continue their nuclear program, and it essentially gives them access to billions of dollars that they can just pour right back into finding a nuclear weapon. Despite the comments of Ali Khamenei, it is obvious to anyone with half of a brain that Iran still has nuclear ambitions. I think that the 6 world powers gave too much ground to Iran, and I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

[Gallup]

Yes he did. But in international politics, only a fool trusts a leader (especially on autocratic one) based on words.

Agreed. I guess my question to all of you who are praising this deal as a great diplomatic breakthrough... Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday?

I know that I don't because Iran will continue to dance around UN inspections as long as they are allowed to continue their nuclear program. This deal allows them to continue their nuclear program, and it essentially gives them access to billions of dollars that they can just pour right back into finding a nuclear weapon. Despite the comments of Ali Khamenei, it is obvious to anyone with half of a brain that Iran still has nuclear ambitions. I think that the 6 world powers gave too much ground to Iran, and I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

This is my view in a nutshell.

[Greed and Death]

So in 3 months they reneg.

Should have followed his advice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

[Kylistan]

This is good. Well done America and Iran. I could truly believe their new President when he said Iran has no nukes, so this is definitely the right response by Obama.

Don't give all the credit to America. It was a deal that involved all permanent members of the UN Security Council.

It was largely America and Iran. See the link below:
http://news.yahoo.com/secret-us-iran-talks-set-stage-nuke-deal-045356533--politics.html

[Vamtrl]

Even though they put a fatwa on nuclear weapons?

Those fatwas mean nothing. It all depends on who issues them.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the big cheese himself ALLEGEDLY.

[Len Hyet]

We'll see. I don't believe for a second the Iranians have suddenly given up on their nuclear ambitions.

Even though they put a fatwa on nuclear weapons?

Actually they didn't. Iran says its supreme leader's letters and speeches denouncing nuclear weapons count as religious edicts, or fatwas, prohibiting their use and stockpiles and backing up a claim of the White House, but a Washington-based research group says the statements are not fatwas but merely political posturing. This of course does not carry the weight of a religious proclamation.

Slickety saucety source

[Virana]

Yes he did. But in international politics, only a fool trusts a leader (especially on autocratic one) based on words.

Agreed. I guess my question to all of you who are praising this deal as a great diplomatic breakthrough... Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday?

I know that I don't because Iran will continue to dance around UN inspections as long as they are allowed to continue their nuclear program. This deal allows them to continue their nuclear program, and it essentially gives them access to billions of dollars that they can just pour right back into finding a nuclear weapon. Despite the comments of Ali Khamenei, it is obvious to anyone with half of a brain that Iran still has nuclear ambitions. I think that the 6 world powers gave too much ground to Iran, and I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

I feel just as safe as I did yesterday, because I know that Iran will never have the nuclear capability to strike the United States anywhere for the foreseeable future. And if it ever did, Iran knows full well that any nuclear launch would result in its country literally being wiped off the map.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are primarily focused on peaceful energy rather than the production of nuclear weapons. They are unable to enrich uranium to the level they would need to produce a nuclear weapon, partially due to international sanctions. Due to the extremely intrusive inspections that this deal calls for, it'll be virtually impossible for Iran to do so in the future.

What we also need to address is weaponized nuclear proliferation in other areas of the Middle East—particularly Israel.

[Gauthier]

Agreed. I guess my question to all of you who are praising this deal as a great diplomatic breakthrough... Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday?

I know that I don't because Iran will continue to dance around UN inspections as long as they are allowed to continue their nuclear program. This deal allows them to continue their nuclear program, and it essentially gives them access to billions of dollars that they can just pour right back into finding a nuclear weapon. Despite the comments of Ali Khamenei, it is obvious to anyone with half of a brain that Iran still has nuclear ambitions. I think that the 6 world powers gave too much ground to Iran, and I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

I feel just as safe as I did yesterday, because I know that Iran will never have the nuclear capability to strike the United States anywhere for the foreseeable future. And if it ever did, Iran knows full well that any nuclear launch would result in its country literally being wiped off the map.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are primarily focused on peaceful energy rather than the production of nuclear weapons. They are unable to enrich uranium to the level they would need to produce a nuclear weapon, partially due to international sanctions. Due to the extremely intrusive inspections that this deal calls for, it'll be virtually impossible for Iran to do so in the future.

What we also need to address is weaponized nuclear proliferation in other areas of the Middle East—particularly Israel.

Of course trying to get Israel to reduce its nuclear weapons arsenal just means you hate Jews and want to roast them all in ovens. *nod nod*

[Agritum]

Well it appears as if diplomatic talks between Iran and 6 world powers (The United States, France, Germany, Britain, China and Russia) have provided some sort of deal on how to handle Iran's nuclear program. President Obama gave a late night briefing to the press, but details on the deal remain largely unknown except for the fact that if Iran complies to whatever the world powers are asking, they will be given access to $4.2 billion in foreign exchange. This may be a step in the right direction for a safer world, but I believe that many of us will be disappointed once the details come out. The Obama White House has had an uncomfortably soft stance on Iran, thus I'm weary to trust his administration in negotiations with them. So Nation States, what do you think about Obama's stance on Iran, and do you think that this deal will create a safer world, or a more dangerous one?

Details on the Deal Revealed:
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-nuclear-deal-reached-geneva-021222943.html

What I've gathered about the details:

1. No invasion of Iran without full UNSC approval, barring Genocide or Iran being the aggressor.
2. Iran agrees to stop all nuclear weapons production.
3. Iran is allowed to build nuclear powerplants.
4. All sanctions on Iran will eventually be dropped.
5. Iran agrees to most of nuclear inspections.

Seems reasonable to me, although, that's just my implication from the articles that I've read about Iran.

If these were the terms of the agreement, it's definitely good news for me.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Agreed. I guess my question to all of you who are praising this deal as a great diplomatic breakthrough... Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday?

I'm more afraid of Hezbollah, since they could hit where I am, then Iran directly. I don't really feel any more or less safe. Iran had breakout capability yesterday, and they retain it today. They know if they actually go for it then Israel will attack so they won't.

I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

Yeah Thats probably true.

[The 54th Squadron]

Peaceful negotiation is always better than military action when possible.

That's a damn lie. When peace talks fail, military might is the way to go to get your deal across.

[Seleucas]

Iran shouldn't compromise on their nuclear program; they have a sovereign right to nuclear power. Furthermore, all sanctions against Iran should be dropped.

Even if you do believe in Iran's right to nuclear power, they have a history of constantly evading routine UN inspections of their nuclear power program, so they are still sanction worthy.

The most they have been accused of is secrecy... which, considering that Israel and the US are always chomping at the bit to get them, is understandable (though unfortunate, as more level-headed people like Mohammed el-Baradei have noted.) But they have never been able to prove diversion or unaccountable materials; the only correct thing to do is to give concessions so that they might consent to the Additional Protocols, instead of bullying them into agreement.

Iran shouldn't compromise on their nuclear program; they have a sovereign right to nuclear power.

Power, yes: but that's not the question at hand here. No-one disputes that Iran may undertake nuclear power projects as it pleases - the dispute is over the purpose of Iran's nuclear program, particularly as the IAEA found Iran to be in noncompliance with the safeguards agreement in 2005.

And Iran voluntarily signed away the right to nuclear weapons when it signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1968.

The US doesn't seem to think that Iran has any right to nuclear power. And Iran hasn't assented to the Additional Protocols, although it had been complying with them voluntarily. In addition, the IAEA acted illegally by forwarding Iran's nuclear portfolio without proving diversion of nuclear materials.

I would agree that Iran should not develop a nuclear weapon. Then again, they haven't given any indication that they are doing so, so it's a moot issue.

Furthermore, all sanctions against Iran should be dropped.

Sancire poena delenda est? Is that you, Cato?

Cato decided to go for a more gentle, understanding foreign policy in his second incarnation. (Ironically, I used to be a little more delenda-minded, so to speak, in my prior views on foreign policy.)

[DogDoo 7]

I feel just as safe as I did yesterday, because I know that Iran will never have the nuclear capability to strike the United States anywhere for the foreseeable future. And if it ever did, Iran knows full well that any nuclear launch would result in its country literally being wiped off the map.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are primarily focused on peaceful energy rather than the production of nuclear weapons. They are unable to enrich uranium to the level they would need to produce a nuclear weapon, partially due to international sanctions. Due to the extremely intrusive inspections that this deal calls for, it'll be virtually impossible for Iran to do so in the future.

What we also need to address is weaponized nuclear proliferation in other areas of the Middle East—particularly Israel.

Of course trying to get Israel to reduce its nuclear weapons arsenal just means you hate Jews and want to roast them all in ovens. *nod nod*

Hell, just getting us to admit to having nukes is Jew hating.
Also, why the fuck do we get off so easy for not signing the NPT?

[Lordieth]

Peaceful negotiation is always better than military action when possible.

That's a damn lie. When peace talks fail, military might is the way to go to get your deal across.

Exactly the kind of logic that Nuclear weapons talks need; mutual annihilation.

[DogDoo 7]

Agreed. I guess my question to all of you who are praising this deal as a great diplomatic breakthrough... Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday?

I'm more afraid of Hezbollah, since they could hit where I am, then Iran directly.

Sleep tight
And of course don't forget about these guys

btw, on a serious note, do you have a Mamad/know where your nearest shelter is?

[Avenio]

I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

... Rouhani was the one who extended the olive branch here, not Obama. And as has been said, this involves all of the members of the Security Council. It's obviously an international effort that took months of sweat and negotiation to work through.

How utterly self-absorbed do you have to be to think that a deal like this was manufactured to distract from a domestic political issue in one country?! The mind boggles.

[Rabopari]

Peaceful negotiation is always better than military action when possible.

Try telling the to the GOP!

[Tekania]

I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

... Rouhani was the one who extended the olive branch here, not Obama. And as has been said, this involves all of the members of the Security Council. It's obviously an international effort that took months of sweat and negotiation to work through.

How utterly self-absorbed do you have to be to think that a deal like this was manufactured to distract from a domestic political issue in one country?! The mind boggles.

He's got an particular style of elephant in his flag. If you were expecting anything other than paranoia, and the parroting of propaganda it's your own fault.

[Gauthier]

Of course trying to get Israel to reduce its nuclear weapons arsenal just means you hate Jews and want to roast them all in ovens. *nod nod*

Hell, just getting us to admit to having nukes is Jew hating.
Also, why the fuck do we get off so easy for not signing the NPT?

Because signing the NPT is authorizing the train ride to Auschwitz. *nod*

[DogDoo 7]

Hell, just getting us to admit to having nukes is Jew hating.
Also, why the fuck do we get off so easy for not signing the NPT?

Because signing the NPT is authorizing the train ride to Auschwitz. *nod*

true story: the Israeli government has paid for more Jews to visit Auschwitz than the number of people who were actually interned there.

[Kylistan]

I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

... Rouhani was the one who extended the olive branch here, not Obama. And as has been said, this involves all of the members of the Security Council. It's obviously an international effort that took months of sweat and negotiation to work through.

How utterly self-absorbed do you have to be to think that a deal like this was manufactured to distract from a domestic political issue in one country?! The mind boggles.

If you don't understand how I can think this, you definitely lack an understanding of American politics. For the past week every single news source in America has been bashing Obamacare (even Time Magazine and MSNBC) and Obama's approval rating has hit an all time low at 40%. Please don't be so ignorant, and try to connect the dots. Obama needed to create a distraction from his failing domestic policies, so he rushed to this deal with Iran and made major concessions to do so. Also this did not involve all the members of the Security Council. It involved Iran and 6 world powers. Last time I checked, the Security Council was composed of 15 members. Furthermore, the US played the largest role in these negotiations as is shown in this article: http://news.yahoo.com/secret-us-iran-talks-set-stage-nuke-deal-045356533--politics.html

[Divair]

I believe that this deal was made by President Obama largely to attempt to distract the media and the American people from the mess that Obamacare has been so far.

... Rouhani was the one who extended the olive branch here, not Obama. And as has been said, this involves all of the members of the Security Council. It's obviously an international effort that took months of sweat and negotiation to work through.

How utterly self-absorbed do you have to be to think that a deal like this was manufactured to distract from a domestic political issue in one country?! The mind boggles.

Why would he care anyway? He isn't up for re-election.