Iran Agrees to Nuke Deal

[Risottia]

Obama screws up once again, ensuring peace and prosperity across the world and he didn't even give them weapons. Reagan was so much better at this.

hey this is REAGAN's victory. he is the one who made a deal with iran 25 years ago, getting the whole thing started!

Next step: create Grumman again and produce spare parts for the Iranian F-14s!

[Divair]

Obama screws up once again, ensuring peace and prosperity across the world and he didn't even give them weapons. Reagan was so much better at this.

hey this is REAGAN's victory. he is the one who made a deal with iran 25 years ago, getting the whole thing started!

ALL HAIL!

[Yue-Laou]

We'll see. I don't believe for a second the Iranians have suddenly given up on their nuclear ambitions.

[The Nuclear Fist]

We'll see. I don't believe for a second the Iranians have suddenly given up on their nuclear ambitions.

Even though they put a fatwa on nuclear weapons?

[Neo Rome Republic]

Well this could help possible avoid possible war with Iran. So good for them, the US has had enough wars already.

[Britanno]

This is very good. Hopefully, it will bring stability to the region. However, I'm skeptic about this.

My thoughts exactly.

And mine.

[SaintB]

I remain quietly optimistic.

[DogDoo 7]

hey this is REAGAN's victory. he is the one who made a deal with iran 25 years ago, getting the whole thing started!

Next step: create Grumman again and produce spare parts for the Iranian F-14s!

actually, will Iran be able to get OEM parts for their Boeings and Airbuses now? (and maybe even buy new planes? Saha is still flying 707s for chrissakes.)

[Ashmoria]

Next step: create Grumman again and produce spare parts for the Iranian F-14s!

actually, will Iran be able to get OEM parts for their Boeings and Airbuses now? (and maybe even buy new planes? Saha is still flying 707s for chrissakes.)

not yet (I think) but if they can get a comprehensive agreement in the next 6 months (im not particularly optimistic) then all sanctions might be lifted and we will all benefit from having iran welcomed into the family of nations again.

[Shofercia]

Well it appears as if diplomatic talks between Iran and 6 world powers (The United States, France, Germany, Britain, China and Russia) have provided some sort of deal on how to handle Iran's nuclear program. President Obama gave a late night briefing to the press, but details on the deal remain largely unknown except for the fact that if Iran complies to whatever the world powers are asking, they will be given access to $4.2 billion in foreign exchange. This may be a step in the right direction for a safer world, but I believe that many of us will be disappointed once the details come out. The Obama White House has had an uncomfortably soft stance on Iran, thus I'm weary to trust his administration in negotiations with them. So Nation States, what do you think about Obama's stance on Iran, and do you think that this deal will create a safer world, or a more dangerous one?

Details on the Deal Revealed:
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-nuclear-deal-reached-geneva-021222943.html

What I've gathered about the details:

1. No invasion of Iran without full UNSC approval, barring Genocide or Iran being the aggressor.
2. Iran agrees to stop all nuclear weapons production.
3. Iran is allowed to build nuclear powerplants.
4. All sanctions on Iran will eventually be dropped.
5. Iran agrees to most of nuclear inspections.

Seems reasonable to me, although, that's just my implication from the articles that I've read about Iran.

[Krasny-Volny]

Big deal. Why are we even worried about Iran's nuclear program?

Israel is the bigger threat, in any case. Why aren't six world powers trying to get them to give up their bomb? Iran doesn't even have one yet.

[Krasny-Volny]

hey this is REAGAN's victory. he is the one who made a deal with iran 25 years ago, getting the whole thing started!

Next step: create Grumman again and produce spare parts for the Iranian F-14s!

I would have just referred them to Mirages. The same superior NATO tech, arguably better than F-14s, prettier to look at, and the French don't give a shit where their gear ends up anyway or who it's used to kill, so win-win.

[Len Hyet]

Big deal. Why are we even worried about Iran's nuclear program?

Israel is the bigger threat, in any case. Why aren't six world powers trying to get them to give up their bomb? Iran doesn't even have one yet.

Probably because Israel hasn't issued repeated threats to nuke other countries into oblivion.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Well well well.
The deal seems like exactly what was expected.
Iran freezes it's nuclear program where it is, while retaining capacity, and it gets modest sanction relief.

Honestly, I don't think this will wind up being as important as people are making it out to be. I doubt a permanent accord will be reached in six months, more likely this interim thing will just continue. Iran will promise not to enrich beyond 5% and they won't get slapped with any more sanctions. Israel will fume, but sure as hell won't do anything unless they uncover some new big facility that proves Tehran to be two faced. Whether the sanction relief will be as dramatic as some people allege remains to be seen.


A lot of this hinges on implementation, so it's hard to know how it will pan out over the long run.
I think both the apocalyptic "Israeli Strike"and the rosy "Everybody gets along fine now, kumbaya" scenarios that you hear in the media are exaggerations unlikely to come true. Iranian leaders will continue to bitch about the "Great Satan", Israel will continue to bark about it being 1938 and Obama will continue to not really give a shit about the region beyond making agreements for their own sake.

[Lordieth]

Big deal. Why are we even worried about Iran's nuclear program?

Israel is the bigger threat, in any case. Why aren't six world powers trying to get them to give up their bomb? Iran doesn't even have one yet.

Probably because Israel hasn't issued repeated threats to nuke other countries into oblivion.

Because Israel is smart enough to keep its desires to itself. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a bit bonkers.

[Len Hyet]

Probably because Israel hasn't issued repeated threats to nuke other countries into oblivion.

Because Israel is smart enough to keep its desires to itself. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a bit bonkers.

I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty sure Israel has no interest in nuking anyone in the Middle East.

[Lordieth]

Because Israel is smart enough to keep its desires to itself. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a bit bonkers.

I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty sure Israel has no interest in nuking anyone in the Middle East.

That we know of. You're probably right, but Iran shouldn't be judged solely on the words of one man. Who is no longer president, I should add. Iran has strong ideologies, as does Isreal. Having strong views, regardless of how right or wrong they are, shouldn't be the factor in determining whether a country should be allowed Nuclear weapons.

I think the deal is a positive one, provided we can take Iran's assurances at face value. One rather large unanswered question for me however is how Iran, despite its promise not to enrich Uranium to weapon's grade, still is allowed to keep equipment that would allow it to do so. Sort of akin to saying; "You'll just have to take our word for it that we won't". I guess that's why it's only a 6-month deal.

I wouldn't however listen to Isreal on how other countries treat their neighbours. Pot called the kettle black there.

[Len Hyet]

I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty sure Israel has no interest in nuking anyone in the Middle East.

That we know of. You're probably right, but Iran shouldn't be judged solely on the words of one man. Who is no longer president, I should add. Iran has strong ideologies, as does Isreal. Having strong views, regardless of how right or wrong they are, shouldn't be the factor in determining whether a country should be allowed Nuclear weapons.

I think the deal is a positive one, provided we can take Iran's assurances at face value. One rather large unanswered question for me however is how Iran, despite its promise not to enrich Uranium to weapon's grade, still is allowed to keep equipment that would allow it to do so. Sort of akin to saying; "You'll just have to take our word for it that we won't". I guess that's why it's only a 6-month deal.

I wouldn't however listen to Isreal on how other countries treat their neighbours. Pot called the kettle black there.

Admittedly they've done some things that aren't kosher (Pun intended). But their history of "human rights abuses" tends to be exaggerated.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty sure Israel has no interest in nuking anyone in the Middle East.

That we know of. You're probably right, but Iran shouldn't be judged solely on the words of one man. Who is no longer president, I should add.

Ahmadinejad is gone, true, but Ali Khamenei is still in charge. Just last week he called Israel a rabid dog whose leaders are less then human. The Iranian leadership clearly doesn't want Israel here. Whether they want to nuke them, perhaps not, but it's not really a risk that anyone wants to take.

[Lordieth]

That we know of. You're probably right, but Iran shouldn't be judged solely on the words of one man. Who is no longer president, I should add.

Ahmadinejad is gone, true, but Ali Khamenei is still in charge. Just last week he called Israel a rabid dog whose leaders are less then human. The Iranian leadership clearly doesn't want Israel here. Whether they want to nuke them, perhaps not, but it's not really a risk that anyone wants to take.

I don't really trust Israel either, to be honest. I probably trust Iran less, but I don't think you can take either at face value. Hopefully this 6-month deal will lead to more strict terms in future, however it's as much about Iran pleasing its own people as it is about keeping to its word. I don't think the deal goes any where near far enough to safeguard against Iran building nuclear weapons, but it's a leap in the right direction. I doubt 6 months without some of the sanctions posed against them is going to massively help them build weapons if they're found to be developing Nuclear arms behind closed doors. That would be a very risky and stupid move.

[Alien Space Bats]

I was referring solely to the idea of getting rid of Israel. Khamenei is known for his famous quote, ""this cancerous tumor of a state [Israel] should be removed from the region", thus he is undoubtedly in line with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the issue of Israel.

Again, there are various ways to interpret such a statement; violence need not be considered as implied. I could call the Republican Party a cancer on America's body politic and hope that this cancer could somehow be removed; that would not, however mean that I was calling (or even wishing) for its violent destruction (IOW, I'd be fine with just seeing the GOP get wiped out at the polls).

[The Tundra]

i'm liking Iran's willingness to talk with the world powers. hopefully this is a start of a more enlightened, less hostile middle east.

[Olivaero]

That we know of. You're probably right, but Iran shouldn't be judged solely on the words of one man. Who is no longer president, I should add.

Ahmadinejad is gone, true, but Ali Khamenei is still in charge. Just last week he called Israel a rabid dog whose leaders are less then human. The Iranian leadership clearly doesn't want Israel here. Whether they want to nuke them, perhaps not, but it's not really a risk that anyone wants to take.

He condemned nuclear weapons and through them nuclear strikes in much stronger words than Israel ever has.

[Alien Space Bats]

I also find it odd that a country so rich in oil is looking for nuclear power when they are completely prone to earthquakes which would cause a nuclear disaster.

Energy diversification is necessary both to insulate their economy from commodity price shocks and to achieve better economic efficiency. You should read the Wikipedia article on Iran's energy sector before making further unwarranted assumptions.

As for earthquakes, it's not like Japan hasn't invested heavily in nuclear power — or that there aren't nuclear power plants in California. Interestingly enough, the Fukishima disaster wasn't caused by either an earthquake or tidal wave per se, but by the backup power systems at the plant being flooded and thus rendered non-functional.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Ahmadinejad is gone, true, but Ali Khamenei is still in charge. Just last week he called Israel a rabid dog whose leaders are less then human. The Iranian leadership clearly doesn't want Israel here. Whether they want to nuke them, perhaps not, but it's not really a risk that anyone wants to take.

He condemned nuclear weapons and through them nuclear strikes in much stronger words than Israel ever has.

Yes he did. But in international politics, only a fool trusts a leader (especially on autocratic one) based on words.