Should death row inmates be militarized instead?

[Luveria]

I don't want any prisoners drafted.

It's just a lot less stupid drafting non-violent offenders than to "militarize" hardened psychopaths.

It's less stupid, but there are some druggies that are just so desperate they might mug civilians for their next hit if issued a weapon.

But yeah, overall it seems less dangerous than drafting former death row inmates.

I made a post related to that.

Not in the way you describe, the British courts used to offer convicted criminals the choice between hanging/prison depending on the crime and joining the army. I would say it was quite successful.

Would it work now? say instead of 10 years for armed robbery offer them 10 years in the military instead? Possibly, I would not mind but the OP version of making them walking IED's/suicide bombers is silly.

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

[Chernoslavia]

It's less stupid, but there are some druggies that are just so desperate they might mug civilians for their next hit if issued a weapon.

But yeah, overall it seems less dangerous than drafting former death row inmates.

I made a post related to that.

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

Agreed. No inmates. As you said before.

[Luveria]

I made a post related to that.

Agreed. No inmates. As you said before.

Overall, the entire system of Penal Battalions seems stupid unless it's in North Korea where prisoners would be willing and eager to die for their country.

[The Nihilistic view]

It's less stupid, but there are some druggies that are just so desperate they might mug civilians for their next hit if issued a weapon.

But yeah, overall it seems less dangerous than drafting former death row inmates.

I made a post related to that.

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

Why do you re-post your not great and ill thought out post?

[Luveria]

I made a post related to that.

Why do you re-post your not great and ill thought out post?

>Convicted of armed robbery against an armored money transport
> LETS PUT HIM IN THE ARMY WITH COMBAT TRAINING AND GUNS GALLORE!

[Shofercia]

Hey guys! I can haz great idea! We should begin training kamikaze worms! Why not, it worked in that awesome computer game, worms! And then we should give our kamikaze worms nukes and stuff. And uzis. Tiny uzis.

^ That makes about as much sense as the OPs proposal. Ethics aside, that proposal was one of the stupidest things I've read. I could address it intelligently, but that would be a waste of electrons. At least my worms comment is letting me post this awesome pic:

[Dracoria]

Some men just want to watch the whole world to burn

Whoa, whoa, let's not be sexist here. I'm sure some women and some of that variety inbetween also want to watch the whole world burn.

Adorable ?! Baby ?!? WTF ?!?

There's no need for cursing.

Hey now, no need to bottle his free speech.

Hey guize, I've got an idea. Lets have death row inmates battle each other to death in televised matches! WEP gets to see prisoners battle each other to death, and Texas gets their death penalty. Everyone wins.

Well, you Americans have Smackdown and RAW, already.

Whoa now. Smackdown and RAW aren't to the death, they're to exactly where the script dictates, no more, no less. This is where having prisoners fight to the death would fail, too many of your potential moneymaking stars would be removed early on. No chance to develop a connection to this season's characters and their charming personalities.

[The Nihilistic view]

Why do you re-post your not great and ill thought out post?

>Convicted of armed robbery against an armored money transport
> LETS PUT HIM IN THE ARMY WITH COMBAT TRAINING AND GUNS GALLORE!

And..........................your point?

[Dracoria]

>Convicted of armed robbery against an armored money transport
> LETS PUT HIM IN THE ARMY WITH COMBAT TRAINING AND GUNS GALLORE!

And..........................your point?

It's kind of like putting a meth addict in charge of a pharmacy.

[Orham]

I think death row inmates should be put to death within 365 days of their conviction (dependent that they are not appealing...which would only be allowed once) and thus would eliminate the need for militarization. Also, all executions should be public and by choice of a) hanging b) firing squad or c) cyanide capsule.

Naturally, this is all conjecture and off the record as the government of the Kingdom of Cambria has no provision for the death penalty, nor would the realm seek such a course.

...please tell me this is just you failing to take note that NS' general discussion forum is to be answered out-of-character (OOC).

[Imperializt Russia]

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

Yeah like the military give soldiers free reign to just pilfer the armory without any checks and procedures.

Crim soldier "Mate look, I need an SA80 and 500 rounds for personal use at home this weekend."

Armory sergeant "Yeah sure take whatever you need, don't worry about bringing it back we have plenty more."

You're implying that that doesn't happen already.

It does.

[Dyakovo]

Here's where you went wrong. "Death row inmates".... those are total psychos and sociopaths, and you want to give them military training, a gun, and send them to a foreign land where they can escape rape and pillage wherever they please, now armed with US infantry training and weapons issued courtesy of the US government.

Now if you said, "lets force all prisoners in on non-violent charges of drug possession (primarily marijuana) to serve in the military's penal battalions...then you may have been onto something.



I'm 22 and also have no idea how much prostitutes charge.

Why the hell would you even want to know? ....Nevermind.

Well, if you're looking to hire one, knowing how much they charge is important...

[Luveria]

>Convicted of armed robbery against an armored money transport
> LETS PUT HIM IN THE ARMY WITH COMBAT TRAINING AND GUNS GALLORE!

And..........................your point?

Is that supposed to hurt my feelings because you can't make an actual response?

Maybe I should start saying "Your point?" to every post I can't come up with a response to. That should get me far.

And..........................your point?

It's kind of like putting a meth addict in charge of a pharmacy.

Or placing a newly released sex offender in charge of a daycare.

So far, I have yet to see why or how it would be a good idea forcing prisoners into the military, when it's gotten bad enough results drafting law-abiding civilians.

[Dyakovo]

And..........................your point?

Is that supposed to hurt my feelings because you can't make an actual response?

Maybe I should start saying "Your point?" to every post I can't come up with a response to. That should get me far.

It's kind of like putting a meth addict in charge of a pharmacy.

Or placing a newly released sex offender in charge of a daycare.

So far, I have yet to see why or how it would be a good idea forcing prisoners into the military, when it's gotten bad enough results drafting law-abiding civilians.

Because he, and the OP, have a hard-on for violating the constitution.

[Luveria]

Is that supposed to hurt my feelings because you can't make an actual response?

Maybe I should start saying "Your point?" to every post I can't come up with a response to. That should get me far.



Or placing a newly released sex offender in charge of a daycare.

So far, I have yet to see why or how it would be a good idea forcing prisoners into the military, when it's gotten bad enough results drafting law-abiding civilians.

Because he, and the OP, have a hard-on for violating the constitution.

Closet sadism. They can't act it out in the real world they post their sadistic fantasies online in the form of debates. "Oh how I would love to see those petty criminals doing time for drug possession to be used as human minesweepers, despite how no one does that anymore except maybe African child armies because everyone else has equipement to deal with it and try to at least pretend their soldier's lives have a value, or realize that the objective of war is to win and not a way of ensuring death row convicts are killed."

But the closet sadists like war for the sake of war because it's just like Call of Duty, so it's no surprise war is the answer to everything for them.

I made a post related to that.

Why do you re-post your not great and ill thought out post?

A post you have done absolutely nothing to address.

If it's so ill thought out, is there something you can point out to refute it other than saying it's an ill thought out post? Perhaps your way of debating is simply call your opponent's statements shitty and you expect that will get you off the hook by the opponent being too overwhelmed from the insult to notice you've done nothing at all to refute or counter anything in the post.

I'll repost it here to make it easier for you. If it's really as terrible as a post as you claim, then show something to refute it.

Not in the way you describe, the British courts used to offer convicted criminals the choice between hanging/prison depending on the crime and joining the army. I would say it was quite successful.

Would it work now? say instead of 10 years for armed robbery offer them 10 years in the military instead? Possibly, I would not mind but the OP version of making them walking IED's/suicide bombers is silly.

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

Interestingly enough, that post was in response to you suggesting sending prisoners convicted of armed bank robbery into the military.

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

Yeah like the military give soldiers free reign to just pilfer the armory without any checks and procedures.

Crim soldier "Mate look, I need an SA80 and 500 rounds for personal use at home this weekend."

Armory sergeant "Yeah sure take whatever you need, don't worry about bringing it back we have plenty more."

Do you want to be the first person to explain why theft of army rifles happens, since in your fantasy world it's impossible for a soldier to pilfer the armory if they want to? And you suggest placing people convicted of armed robbery into the army. There's a good reason employers like to have criminal record checks. But to make this scenario worse, you want to conscript someone in prison for armed bank robbery into the military.

http://www.bfbs.com/news/ta-soldier-jailed-rifle-theft-64451.html

Is it my posts that have been ill thought out, or has it been yours?

[Katganistan]

Thinkin your crazy.

Canada doesn't have death row. Crazy world, isn't it?

And a number of places don't have life sentences, either.
Crazy world, etc.

[Katganistan]

Why the hell would you even want to know? ....Nevermind.

Well, if you're looking to hire one, knowing how much they charge is important...

Haggle. Like with a used car or a Christmas tree.

[Dyakovo]

Why do you re-post your not great and ill thought out post?

A post you have done absolutely nothing to address.

If it's so ill thought out, is there something you can point out to refuse it other than saying it's an ill thought out post? Perhaps your way of debating is simply call your opponent's statements shitty and you expect that will get you off the hook by the opponent being too overwhelmed from the insult to notice you've done nothing at all to refute or counter anything in the post.

I'll repost it here to make it easier for you. If it's really as terrible as a post as you claim, then show something to refute it.

That's such a great idea placing a convicted thief into the army where they have access to military weaponry they can steal and sell.

Interestingly enough, that post was in response to you suggesting sending prisoners convicted of armed bank robbery into the military.

Yeah like the military give soldiers free reign to just pilfer the armory without any checks and procedures.

Crim soldier "Mate look, I need an SA80 and 500 rounds for personal use at home this weekend."

Armory sergeant "Yeah sure take whatever you need, don't worry about bringing it back we have plenty more."

Do you want to be the first person to explain why theft of army rifles happens, since in your fantasy world it's impossible for a soldier to pilfer the armory if they want to? And you suggest placing people convicted of armed robbery into the army. There's a good reason employers like to have criminal record checks. But to make this scenario worse, you want to conscript someone in prison for armed robbery into the military.

http://www.bfbs.com/news/ta-soldier-jailed-rifle-theft-64451.html

Is it my posts that have been ill thought out, or has it been yours?

TBF, some arguments are just so shitty they're not worth addressing in any other way than a flat dismissal...
Yours wasn't one of them though.

[Kumrann]

No. There shouldn't be anyone on death row anyway.

Thinkin your crazy.

People do dreadful things but having someone put to death for anything is madness- I'm not a soft touch, some people should be locked up for life but I think the death penalty is morally wrong. Also if your from the US surely it counts as a cruel and unusual punishment? shove that up your constitution.

[Immoren]

Haggle. Like with a used car or a Christmas tree.

Why would you re-use Yule tree?
Or are you talking about those plastic ones?

[Luveria]

A post you have done absolutely nothing to address.

If it's so ill thought out, is there something you can point out to refuse it other than saying it's an ill thought out post? Perhaps your way of debating is simply call your opponent's statements shitty and you expect that will get you off the hook by the opponent being too overwhelmed from the insult to notice you've done nothing at all to refute or counter anything in the post.

I'll repost it here to make it easier for you. If it's really as terrible as a post as you claim, then show something to refute it.



Interestingly enough, that post was in response to you suggesting sending prisoners convicted of armed bank robbery into the military.



Do you want to be the first person to explain why theft of army rifles happens, since in your fantasy world it's impossible for a soldier to pilfer the armory if they want to? And you suggest placing people convicted of armed robbery into the army. There's a good reason employers like to have criminal record checks. But to make this scenario worse, you want to conscript someone in prison for armed robbery into the military.

http://www.bfbs.com/news/ta-soldier-jailed-rifle-theft-64451.html

Is it my posts that have been ill thought out, or has it been yours?

TBF, some arguments are just so shitty they're not worth addressing in any other way than a flat dismissal...
Yours wasn't one of them though.

You know, maybe OP and his supporters are onto something. We could enlist the DC Sniper into a unit where his marksmanship skills could be put to good use.

[Imperializt Russia]

TBF, some arguments are just so shitty they're not worth addressing in any other way than a flat dismissal...
Yours wasn't one of them though.

You know, maybe OP and his supporters are onto something. We could enlist the DC Sniper into a unit where his marksmanship skills could put to good use.

What marksmanship skill? He wasn't operating even close to rifleman engagement range, and like a quarter what the USMC trains at.

The only sniper attack of 2011, interestingly, was committed with a handgun.

[Luveria]

You know, maybe OP and his supporters are onto something. We could enlist the DC Sniper into a unit where his marksmanship skills could put to good use.

What marksmanship skill? He wasn't operating even close to rifleman engagement range, and like a quarter what the USMC trains at.

The only sniper attack of 2011, interestingly, was committed with a handgun.

I was making a point of assigning convicted murderers into army jobs related to their murder methods.
It's the only way the OP's suggestion could be made worse.

[Pharthan]

I really, really, really have a hard time seeing how anyone can view this as a good idea. As with most cockamamie NS plans, I'm pretty sure there's a one-word argument that defeats the original post: Logistics.

On NS, maybe.
Real world? Never.

As stated, the "Prison-or-Enlist" idea, however, does work. Small crimes, ones you could be foreseeably made to grow out of yet still worthy of a few years jail time, or you could join the military. Good idea, generally. Granted, such crimes have to be ones small enough still that your servicemembers are still comfortable serving with the individuals.

But Death-Row Inmates? Unless you feel like gearing an entire system to actually getting them to a battlefield and then you're willing to deal with the consequences that you're never getting them back alive, whether or not they survive the engagement, yeah, not going to work.

[Immoren]

I really, really, really have a hard time seeing how anyone can view this as a good idea. As with most cockamamie NS plans, I'm pretty sure there's a one-word argument that defeats the original post: Logistics.

On NS, maybe.
Real world? Never.

But I want real life Adeptus Astartes. ;_;