Should death row inmates be militarized instead?

[Neutraligon]

I don't support this. I'd rather they be executed.

It is execution......with a cause.

No, it is forcing people to use their bodies against their will. It is a very dangerous precedent to set, especially since people can be wrongly convicted (I wonder how many times I will mention this). It also completely destroys any moral high-ground we have against any other opponent (at least terrorists volunteer). Not to mention you will turn virtually every minority as well as the poor against your government.

[Lies and Ignorance]

I don't support this. I'd rather they be executed.

It is execution......with a cause.

Even "humane" forms of execution are on shaky ethical ground, but this is exceedingly ludicrous.

[Imperializt Russia]

They would also legitimize the terrorists' claims that the West is decadent and evil...

To be fair, we also do this every time we eat something wrapped in bacon.

Are you implying that Epic Meal Time is the one transgression that has caused the War on Terror to drag on for so long?

[Imperializt Russia]

That's disgusting and sickening, TSU.

I am shocked people don't see the ethical problems of forcing certain subsections of the population (some of the most vulnerable) to be experimented on. How can there not be those ethical problems. I hate to Goodwin this one, but how is that any different from what Hitler did

Strictly speaking, Mengele, not Hitler.

That's disgusting and sickening, TSU.

How better can you advance human medicine than experimenting on humans?

I guess experiments on other animals are ok, I mean, we are above nature after all.

We experiment on other animals, because mice are very close to humans biologically, and it doesn't put lives at risk.

How better can you advance human medicine than experimenting on humans?

But doing it without their consent is no different from what Hitler did. We have clinical trials, which are a much safer and more humane way to advance medicine.

Even with "consent", you aren't allowed to experiment.

the first question would be why did they committed the crime

How can someone dehumanize themselves?

What do you mean why? Murder being something not in self defense, just flat out killing someone. (If it was for revenge, that may be an exception). Rape, there isn't a possible excuse for.

Dehumanization would be killing someone or destroying their lives.

Your opinion is a social construct that is held as a populist viewpoint.
It is not "true".

It still doesn't make you not biologically "human".

Theoretically, of course.

Your opinion does not hold to the criteria to become a "theory".

Theoretically?

I'm sorry, did you mean to post factually? If not you might want to remove the part of your sig that claims you are "Pro-Science."

What is Science other than theories and ideas?

Theoretically as in, according to society, rather than nature. Sure, they're still humans by species, but they shouldn't be considered humans by society.

You clearly don't have an understanding as to the meaning of "theory" in a scientific context.
In scientific context, a "hypothesis" is the common use "theory", while a "theory" is a "fact".

Hence why creationism and intelligent design are not "theories".

Exactly. Use a remote piloted drone instead, then you can steer the damned thing and maintain some semblence of the moral high ground.

Why waste drones when you have inmates?

I remember a statistic once, I don't care to find it to bother assessing its validity, but the US valued one of its personnel at equivalent 68 million dollars or something equally fantastic.

Drones cost less than this.

Every human has dignity.

No. Some people are too messed up to have dignity.

Like you, it would seem.

They'd be terribly inefficient in that role. How about putting them to work building the drones?

The ones that should build drones are ones that have committed minor offenses such as littering, loitering, tagging, public nudity and spitting, etc.

Since death row inmates serve very long terms prior to their execution, it'd probably be more financially viable (from a standpoint of having a high prisoner turnover for minor offences and having to retrain) to have them build the drones.

This will promote terrorism...

No it wouldn't.

We get these men strapped on with IED's on the battlefield and have them to simply just die to scare off whatever enemy in whatever bloody conflict we're getting our noses in these days

You're right.
Actually, it is terrorism.

What would that accomplish, exactly?

They'd infect the populous of the enemy's populated areas. It's a pretty sound idea.

It wouldn't and it isn't.
Bioweapons fell out of favour largely because they were pretty shit.

[Terra Sector Union]

It is execution......with a cause.

No, it is forcing people to use their bodies against their will. It is a very dangerous precedent to set, especially since people can be wrongly convicted (I wonder how many times I will mention this). It also completely destroys any moral high-ground we have against any other opponent (at least terrorists volunteer). Not to mention you will turn virtually every minority as well as the poor against your government.

Minorities against the government?
So you're assuming the majority agrees with such methods?
Not everything is about this so-called "oppressive white people".
What does minorities have to do with extreme execution methods anyway?

[Vixia]

Though there is a tax, rehabilitation is the answer.

[Czechanada]

Remember, Socrates was a death row inmate.

[Wind in the Willows]

Get them to run across fields and deserts to search for hidden bombs, or you could strap them to your tanks and other equipment to be used as human shields.

[Neutraligon]

No, it is forcing people to use their bodies against their will. It is a very dangerous precedent to set, especially since people can be wrongly convicted (I wonder how many times I will mention this). It also completely destroys any moral high-ground we have against any other opponent (at least terrorists volunteer). Not to mention you will turn virtually every minority as well as the poor against your government.

Minorities against the government?
So you're assuming the majority agrees with such methods?
Not everything is about this so-called "oppressive white people".
What does minorities have to do with extreme execution methods anyway?

Minorities means those who are African American, Hispanic, etc, so no. I am pretty sure the majority would be sickened by such an idea.
Where did I say anything about oppressive white people?
Because minorities (specifically African American) are have a disproportionately large population in prison and on death row.

[Wind in the Willows]

Minorities against the government?
So you're assuming the majority agrees with such methods?
Not everything is about this so-called "oppressive white people".
What does minorities have to do with extreme execution methods anyway?

Minorities means those who are African American, Hispanic, etc, so no. I am pretty sure the majority would be sickened by such an idea.
Where did I say anything about oppressive white people?
Because minorities (specifically African American) are have a disproportionately large population in prison and on death row.

Oh my fucking god, here we go again with the race argument.

[Neutraligon]

Minorities means those who are African American, Hispanic, etc, so no. I am pretty sure the majority would be sickened by such an idea.
Where did I say anything about oppressive white people?
Because minorities (specifically African American) are have a disproportionately large population in prison and on death row.

Oh my fucking god, here we go again with the race argument.

The fact is African Americans make up a large percentage of current death row inmates, in fact they are equal to white death row inmates at 41% despite being about 12.5% f the population. Do you think such a group would agree to such treatment of their family and community (The same could be said for whites, but as the are disproportionately represented I would think the outrage would be greater)?

[Wind in the Willows]

Oh my fucking god, here we go again with the race argument.

The fact is African Americans make up a large percentage of current death row inmates, in fact they are equal to white death row inmates at 41% despite being about 12.5% f the population. Do you think such a group would agree to such treatment of their family and community (The same could be said for whites, but as the are disproportionately represented I would think the outrage would be greater)?

WHY THE FUCK DOES RACE MATTER? They done something bad and will get their punishment, regardless of their fucking races. Seriously.

[Madenia]

No give them death.

Militarization is a really bad idea because murderers cannot be trusted on the battlefield. I'm sure more civilians would get killed overseas.

[Wind in the Willows]

No give them death.

Militarization is a really bad idea because murderers cannot be trusted on the battlefield. I'm sure more civilians would get killed overseas.

Who says they will be trusted with weapons? We could use the murderers to walk across deserts, fields and other surfaces to find hidden bombs and place them out in the open to find snipers.

[Morlodania]

In my nation, yes, we use them as a human bomb.
In reality, no, horrible idea.

[Neutraligon]

The fact is African Americans make up a large percentage of current death row inmates, in fact they are equal to white death row inmates at 41% despite being about 12.5% f the population. Do you think such a group would agree to such treatment of their family and community (The same could be said for whites, but as the are disproportionately represented I would think the outrage would be greater)?

WHY THE FUCK DOES RACE MATTER? They done something bad and will get their punishment, regardless of their fucking races. Seriously.

First, you are assuming that those on death row are actually guilty of the crime they are there for. Considering the number of people who have been exonerated over the years, this is unlikely. Second, I mention race because certain races are more affected then others due to who goes to jail, and the type of sentences they get. African Americans specifically get harsher punishments the whites, for the same crime.

[Neutraligon]

In my nation, yes, we use them as a human bomb.
In reality, no, horrible idea.

General is OOC.

[Wind in the Willows]

WHY THE FUCK DOES RACE MATTER? They done something bad and will get their punishment, regardless of their fucking races. Seriously.

First, you are assuming that those on death row are actually guilty of the crime they are there for. Considering the number of people who have been exonerated over the years, this is unlikely. Second, I mention race because certain races are more affected then others due to who goes to jail, and the type of sentences they get. African Americans specifically get harsher punishments the whites, for the same crime.

Please provide evidence that they get harsher punishments, go on, give me some evidence.

[Madenia]

No give them death.

Militarization is a really bad idea because murderers cannot be trusted on the battlefield. I'm sure more civilians would get killed overseas.

Who says they will be trusted with weapons? We could use the murderers to walk across deserts, fields and other surfaces to find hidden bombs and place them out in the open to find snipers.

Still violates the eighth amendment.

[Wind in the Willows]

In my nation, yes, we use them as a human bomb.
In reality, no, horrible idea.

General is OCC, dude.

[Imperializt Russia]

No give them death.

Militarization is a really bad idea because murderers cannot be trusted on the battlefield. I'm sure more civilians would get killed overseas.

Who says they will be trusted with weapons? We could use the murderers to walk across deserts, fields and other surfaces to find hidden bombs and place them out in the open to find snipers.

I don't see the point since western forces have systems built to do those things already.

[Neutraligon]

First, you are assuming that those on death row are actually guilty of the crime they are there for. Considering the number of people who have been exonerated over the years, this is unlikely. Second, I mention race because certain races are more affected then others due to who goes to jail, and the type of sentences they get. African Americans specifically get harsher punishments the whites, for the same crime.

Please provide evidence that they get harsher punishments, go on, give me some evidence.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/pu ... review.pdf

[Jakob Max]

I find it horrible, immoral, unethical, and a waste of human life. Sounds fun, let's try it.

[Immoren]

I find it horrible, immoral, unethical, and a waste of human life. Sounds fun, let's try it.

MAybe in Warhammer 40k or Starcraft.

[Ifreann]

Get them to run across fields and deserts to search for hidden bombs, or you could strap them to your tanks and other equipment to be used as human shields.

Why not just cut out the middleman and call for them to be delivered in chains and gimp suits to your sex dungeon?