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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!


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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

Conscentia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:well you know its true. :lol2:

Well, you know it isn't.

:eyebrow: Christmas is totally pagan.
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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

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The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!


Nice performance.

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Postby Norstal » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!

I can't get very bvious at all actually.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!


By the way, Jesus wasn't born on Christmas.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:59 am

Vazdania wrote:
Alpacaria wrote:My parents were atheist. We had a tree (and decorated it) and presents and sang non-religious christmas songs. (There's a lot of them.) The children would recite poems, we would eat a LOT and my parents would send the kids out of the room when "Santa" came to put the presents beneath the tree.
Christmas is absolutely not religious to me, and I'll continue celebrating it with my family that way.

:palm: :rofl: Decorating a tree is pagan in origin. Yes your christmas is religious.

The meaning & purpose of the tree ceased to be pagan centuries ago.

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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:00 am

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The Scientific States wrote:
Nice performance.

I'll give you a 8/10.

Way too generous.


No kidding. I was being sarcastic.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:00 am

Vazdania wrote:
Norstal wrote:NO FUNERALS FOR ATHEISTS CAUSE IT'S A RELIGIOUS RITE!

Well it is.

That doesn't mean they can't do it. I don't understand why it should piss you off.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:01 am

The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!


Christmas has turned into a corporate commercial tool. You should worry about that before worrying about atheists practicing a holiday.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:01 am

The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!

Like celebrating the magical birth of god isn't a magical holiday... :roll:
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Postby Norstal » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:02 am

Pandeeria wrote:
The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!


Christmas has turned into a corporate commercial tool. You should worry about that before worrying about atheists practicing a holiday.

God forbid I peddle my goods during days where people are out of work and have money to spend. :roll:
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:02 am

Conscentia wrote:
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You have a Christmas tree? A yule log?

The Christmas tree has lost all polytheistic meaning, and I don't think the yule log ever had any polytheistic meaning.

Look up the origin of the yule log then before making statments that make you look silly. And if people are going to say, "Thanksgiving is religious because in 1618 one plantation celebrated it that way," then "Christmas trees are pagan because that is their origin" is an even more valid statement.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:02 am

Vazdania wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Well, you know it isn't.

:eyebrow: Christmas is totally pagan.

If you ignore the fact that it isn't.
Pagans did not partake in Christ's Mass, and though pagans did continue some of their traditions, those traditions lost their pagan meanings.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:03 am

Pandeeria wrote:
The Crosspoint Realm wrote:Atheists should not celebrate Christmas. They don't believe in Jesus, so they don't need to celebrate his birth. It really pisses me off when some stupid movie shows Christmas about giving and loving. Now society is turning Christmas into a literally, magical holiday. This is of the devil and is COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. LOOK IT'S IN THE NAME!!! Christmas HOW BVIOUS CAN YOU GET!!!???!!!


Christmas has turned into a corporate commercial tool. You should worry about that before worrying about atheists practicing a holiday.

Instead worry when we get it right.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:03 am

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Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: Christmas is totally pagan.

If you ignore the fact that it isn't.
Pagans did not partake in Christ's Mass, and though pagans did continue some of their traditions, those traditions lost their pagan meanings.

The decorating of a tree is totally pagan in origin!
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:04 am

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Conscentia wrote:The Christmas tree has lost all polytheistic meaning, and I don't think the yule log ever had any polytheistic meaning.

Look up the origin of the yule log then before making statments that make you look silly. And if people are going to say, "Thanksgiving is religious because in 1618 one plantation celebrated it that way," then "Christmas trees are pagan because that is their origin" is an even more valid statement.

Neither are valid.

The modern yule log is a chocolatey desert, not a literal log that's burned. The only thing pagan about it is it's name, and even then there's not necessarily anything inherently pagan about the word yule.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:04 am

Norstal wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Christmas has turned into a corporate commercial tool. You should worry about that before worrying about atheists practicing a holiday.

God forbid I peddle my goods during days where people are out of work and have money to spend. :roll:


I have no problem with Christmas being a commercial tool. I actually like the idea because everything is cheaper.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:04 am

Vazdania wrote:
Ertae wrote:Should Christians ripoff earlier holidays? To answer the question, why not? Christmas is not about Christ to me, but about family, gift giving, and thankfulness.

Well I mean they did so.

Well then why call it CHRISTmas...why not Snowy Winter Family Day or some shit?

What would be the point?

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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:04 am

Vazdania wrote:
Conscentia wrote:If you ignore the fact that it isn't.
Pagans did not partake in Christ's Mass, and though pagans did continue some of their traditions, those traditions lost their pagan meanings.

The decorating of a tree is totally pagan in origin!

"origin" would be the important word there. It's pagan significance has been lost.
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Postby The Free Republic of Akan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:05 am

Im an Atheist and celebrate Christmas with a tree and gifts.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:05 am

I don't celebrate Christmas, I just use it as a day-off.
My main holiday is New-Years, anyways.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:05 am

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Vazdania wrote:The decorating of a tree is totally pagan in origin!

"origin" would be the important word there. It's pagan significance has been lost.

Walking is totally pagan gais

So is standing is a semi-circle or even a full-circle!
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Postby Rabopari » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:05 am

Any religion can. Im a muslim and i do the whole christmas gig (Except our family does not have a tree)
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Postby Urbaria » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:06 am

Well the thing is, Christian holidays have become so commercial that instead of Easter and Christmas being about the religion itself, it is about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. So, in that case it really doesn't matter, unless, your political or religious beliefs frowns upon it.

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