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Postby Jormengand » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:06 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:YES!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

No. I'd rather not step foot into a disgusting secular public school.

Stupid religious freedom. I mean, who do they think they are, not having arbitrary religion-based requirements!
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:07 pm

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Vazdania wrote:No. I'd rather not step foot into a disgusting secular public school.

Stupid religious freedom. I mean, who do they think they are, not having arbitrary religion-based requirements!

Well I mean you can have YOUR secular public school. But I don't want to be forced to step foot into one of those hell holes. I much prefer private religious school.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:YES!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

No. I'd rather not step foot into a disgusting secular public school.

Okay, the bathrooms look like pigs used them. And there's kissing in the halls and support of rapists (a girl was raped at my school last month and people defended the bastards), but other than that it's alright. I mean, you can read The Hunger Games at my school and get credit for it.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:09 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Vazdania wrote:No. I'd rather not step foot into a disgusting secular public school.

Okay, the bathrooms look like pigs used them. And there's kissing in the halls and support of rapists (a girl was raped at my school last month and people defended the bastards), but other than that it's alright. I mean, you can read The Hunger Games at my school and get credit for it.

Yea.........That's pretty much why I'd like to stay out of those places.....
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:09 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Stupid religious freedom. I mean, who do they think they are, not having arbitrary religion-based requirements!

Well I mean you can have YOUR secular public school. But I don't want to be forced to step foot into one of those hell holes. I much prefer private religious school.

Also, sometimes it's hot girls kissing in the halls.
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to represent the interests of all humankind to other sapient species;
to protect all humanity and its’ colonies from unneeded violence or danger;
to promote technological advancement and scientific achievement for the happiness, knowledge and welfare of all humans;
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Okay, the bathrooms look like pigs used them. And there's kissing in the halls and support of rapists (a girl was raped at my school last month and people defended the bastards), but other than that it's alright. I mean, you can read The Hunger Games at my school and get credit for it.

Yea.........That's pretty much why I'd like to stay out of those places.....

Well, in that case, your reasons are valid.
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Postby Jormengand » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Stupid religious freedom. I mean, who do they think they are, not having arbitrary religion-based requirements!

Well I mean you can have YOUR secular public school. But I don't want to be forced to step foot into one of those hell holes. I much prefer private religious school.

So you prefer indoctrination to freedom?

The future is so bright...
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:11 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Well I mean you can have YOUR secular public school. But I don't want to be forced to step foot into one of those hell holes. I much prefer private religious school.

Also, sometimes it's hot girls kissing in the halls.

:eyebrow: And? I'd rather not have to look at that filth.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:12 pm

Jormengand wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Well I mean you can have YOUR secular public school. But I don't want to be forced to step foot into one of those hell holes. I much prefer private religious school.

So you prefer indoctrination to freedom?

The future is so bright...

You're limiting my freedom by not allowing me to attend a private religious school.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:13 pm

Jormengand wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Well I mean you can have YOUR secular public school. But I don't want to be forced to step foot into one of those hell holes. I much prefer private religious school.

So you prefer indoctrination to freedom?

The future is so bright...

Indeed it is. Hey, why do I see mushroom clouds rising in the future...?
Vazdania wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Also, sometimes it's hot girls kissing in the halls.

:eyebrow: And? I'd rather not have to look at that filth.

I'm weird.
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to represent the interests of all humankind to other sapient species;
to protect all humanity and its’ colonies from unneeded violence or danger;
to promote technological advancement and scientific achievement for the happiness, knowledge and welfare of all humans;
and to facilitate cooperation in the spheres of law, transportation, communication, and measurement between nation-states.

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Postby 4years » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Jormengand wrote:So you prefer indoctrination to freedom?

The future is so bright...

You're limiting my freedom by not allowing me to attend a private religious school.


No I am not, since you are free to hold any religious belief you so choose. I am expanding your freedom by preventing you (the student) from being indoctrinated into a particular religion.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:15 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: Excuse me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause

A religious school should not be receiving public funding.

If it is receiving funding indirectly through Vouchers it is perfectly fine.
Since it is the family not the government endorsing religion.
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Postby 4years » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:18 pm

greed and death wrote:
Zottistan wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause

A religious school should not be receiving public funding.

1. If it is receiving funding indirectly through Vouchers it is perfectly fine.
Since it is 2. the family not the government endorsing religion.


1. No it isn't.
2. Parents should not be allowed to attempt to indoctrinate their children into a particular religion (etc.) by limiting said children's education and exposure to alternative beliefs.
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Postby Zottistan » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:20 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Jormengand wrote:So you prefer indoctrination to freedom?

The future is so bright...

You're limiting my freedom by not allowing me to attend a private religious school.

Freedom is relative, not absolute. You should not be free to indoctrinate children into an unfalsifiable belief system.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:22 pm

4years wrote:
greed and death wrote:1. If it is receiving funding indirectly through Vouchers it is perfectly fine.
Since it is 2. the family not the government endorsing religion.


1. No it isn't.
2. Parents should not be allowed to attempt to indoctrinate their children into a particular religion (etc.) by limiting said children's education and exposure to alternative beliefs.

OP source cites to this: http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2013/11/ ... yer-funds/
Which says
The Star News in Wilmington reports that Myrtle Grove Christian School, which is eligible to receive taxpayer-funded private school vouchers beginning with the 2014-15 school year, will also begin denying admission or continued enrollment to gay students and children from gay families in 2014.


As for 2, good luck on that the state would have to get way more involved then it already is and outlaw home schooling.
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Postby Trolldonia » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:23 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You're limiting my freedom by not allowing me to attend a private religious school.

Freedom is relative, not absolute. You should not be free to indoctrinate children into an unfalsifiable belief system.


Listen to this guy and stop throwing the word "freedom" around as though it meant anything now that it has been chewed up, digested, regurgitated, swallowed again, digested and crapped out so many times. There is no such thing as "freedom", only "freedom for X to do Y".

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Postby 4years » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:25 pm

greed and death wrote:
4years wrote:
1. No it isn't.
2. Parents should not be allowed to attempt to indoctrinate their children into a particular religion (etc.) by limiting said children's education and exposure to alternative beliefs.

OP source cites to this: http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2013/11/ ... yer-funds/
Which says
The Star News in Wilmington reports that Myrtle Grove Christian School, which is eligible to receive taxpayer-funded private school vouchers beginning with the 2014-15 school year, will also begin denying admission or continued enrollment to gay students and children from gay families in 2014.


As for 2, good luck on that the state would have to get way more involved then it already is and outlaw home schooling.


1. I was referring to the "perfectly fine" bit.

2. Both good things as education stands today.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:29 pm

4years wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You're limiting my freedom by not allowing me to attend a private religious school.


No I am not, since you are free to hold any religious belief you so choose. I am expanding your freedom by preventing you (the student) from being indoctrinated into a particular religion.

But it was my choice to attend such a school. You are limiting me by forcing me to attend a secular school. I want to attend a religious school.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:30 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You're limiting my freedom by not allowing me to attend a private religious school.

Freedom is relative, not absolute. You should not be free to indoctrinate children into an unfalsifiable belief system.

Stop forcing your morality upon me. >:( Keep your morality to yourself.
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Postby Trolldonia » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:30 pm

Vazdania wrote:
4years wrote:
No I am not, since you are free to hold any religious belief you so choose. I am expanding your freedom by preventing you (the student) from being indoctrinated into a particular religion.

But it was my choice to attend such a school. You are limiting me by forcing me to attend a secular school. I want to attend a religious school.


True. And? I think secular people don't care if your freedom to attend a religious school is impaired.

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Postby Jormengand » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:32 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Freedom is relative, not absolute. You should not be free to indoctrinate children into an unfalsifiable belief system.

Stop forcing your morality upon me. >:( Keep your morality to yourself.

Stop forcing your morality upon your children. >:( Keep your morality to yourself.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:32 pm

Trolldonia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:But it was my choice to attend such a school. You are limiting me by forcing me to attend a secular school. I want to attend a religious school.


True. And? I think secular people don't care if your freedom to attend a religious school is impaired.

I think the majority of those who don't like this are militant atheists who just hate religion. If there were a atheist school dedicated to trying to disprove God, the majority of them have no problem what so ever with funding it.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:33 pm

Jormengand wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Stop forcing your morality upon me. >:( Keep your morality to yourself.

Stop forcing your morality upon your children. >:( Keep your morality to yourself.

Don't tell me how to raise my children.
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Postby Jormengand » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:33 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Stop forcing your morality upon your children. >:( Keep your morality to yourself.

Don't tell me how to raise my children.

I shall. For the same reason I will tell you not to assault your children. Being your children does not take away their rights.
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Postby Trolldonia » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:34 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Trolldonia wrote:
True. And? I think secular people don't care if your freedom to attend a religious school is impaired.

I think the majority of those who don't like this are militant atheists who just hate religion. If there were a atheist school dedicated to trying to disprove God, the majority of them have no problem what so ever with funding it.


Except that there is no school designed to try and "disprove God", or reason to fund one. For now, the atheists are content to let the religious people sweat with the burden of proof on their shoulders - of proof that hasn't yet been produced.

Also, while IMO state atheism is not as good as "plain" secularism, it is still secularism and thus a better option than any sort of religious bias in politics.
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