School orders families to sign "biblical morality pledge".

[Lemanrussland]

The school is full of idiots. I'm pretty sure this is illegal, or at leas should be, as it's overt discrimination against a disadvantaged minority group. If they persist in acting hatefully and illogically, then let me remind you that students do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate.

This isn't illegal. Its a private religious school, their constitutional rights don't apply on private property.

"Their constitutional rights don't apply on private property."

Cool, so I can own slaves, as long as they stay on my land? All federal laws, as well as constitutional law, apply everywhere in the United States (and even outside, a citizen abroad still enjoys the same protections provided by things like the Bill of Rights, at least in his relations to the US government).

State and local laws apply within their respective jurisdictions. No one is immune from the law, even on private property.

[Vazdania]

This isn't illegal. Its a private religious school, their constitutional rights don't apply on private property.

"Their constitutional rights don't apply on private property."

Cool, so I can own slaves, as long as they stay on my land? All federal laws, as well as constitutional law, apply everywhere in the United States (and even outside, a citizen abroad still enjoys the same protections vis-à-vis the government).

State and local laws apply within their respective jurisdictions. No one is immune from the law, even on private property.

It's within a property owners right to remove people from their property for holding a religion they do not like. The same goes for race, speech, or race/ethnicity.

[Lemanrussland]

"Their constitutional rights don't apply on private property."

Cool, so I can own slaves, as long as they stay on my land? All federal laws, as well as constitutional law, apply everywhere in the United States (and even outside, a citizen abroad still enjoys the same protections vis-à-vis the government).

State and local laws apply within their respective jurisdictions. No one is immune from the law, even on private property.

It's within a property owners right to remove people from their property for holding a religion they do not like.

Depends on what sort of property we're talking about. In the US, we have a law called the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlaws religious, racial, sexist, and other types of discrimination by certain types of businesses (particularly in the area of employment, and in certain cases with services, private persons can't refuse service to or segregate people on account of their race, religious beliefs and so on from public businesses which engage in interstate commerce)

There's also the issue that government is passing money onto this kind of organization. Regardless if the money is intended for a secular purpose (disregarding any sort of religious indoctrination which goes on in the school, which I'm sure does go on based on my experiences in such places), I don't want the government giving money to organizations who spew hate at minorities. I'd rather the money go into more useful things, thanks.

[Vazdania]

It's within a property owners right to remove people from their property for holding a religion they do not like.

Depends on what sort of property we're talking about. In the US, we have a law called the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlaws religious, racial, sexist, and other types of discrimination by certain types of businesses (particularly in the area of employment, and in certain cases with services, private persons can't refuse service to or segregate people on account of their race, religious beliefs and so on from public businesses which engage in interstate commerce)

There's also the issue that government is passing money onto this kind of organization. Regardless if the money is intended for a secular purpose (disregarding any sort of religious indoctrination which goes on in the school, which I'm sure does go on based on my experiences in such places), I don't want the government giving money to organizations who spew hate at minorities. I'd rather the money go into more useful things, thanks.

Well just because you don't want it, doesn't make it illegal to do so....Mitchell v. Helms is an example.

[Dyakovo]

It's called a 'private school" for a reason: it's private. As long as it is not funded by the government, they are allowed to act on their conscience however they like. Don't like it? Go to a public school or to a different private school.

As has been pointed out many times already, they do receive government funding.

[The Nihilistic view]

If it's private what's the problem?

[Divair]

If it's private what's the problem?

From the OP:
"Salon noted that in spite of the exclusionary policy, Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014."

They shouldn't get subsidies.

[The Nihilistic view]

If it's private what's the problem?

From the OP:
"Salon noted that in spite of the exclusionary policy, Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014."

They shouldn't get subsidies.

So? It's still private, the issue is one that should be directed at the government not the school. That's what I am trying to get at.

[Divair]

From the OP:
"Salon noted that in spite of the exclusionary policy, Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014."

They shouldn't get subsidies.

So? It's still private, the issue is one that should be directed at the government not the school. That's what I am trying to get at.

I'm aware. I don't care if the private schools decides to do this. As long as they don't get subsidies. Or any help from the government whatsoever.

[Vettrera]

I'm not asking anything...I'm simply stating that the idea that being gay is the "ultra-sin" is erroneous and stupid. And if this school really wanted to be "pure", they'd exclude all sinners.

Isn't everyone a sinner according to Christianity?

Congratulations! See! Someone Gets It!

[Vettrera]

I'm not asking anything...I'm simply stating that the idea that being gay is the "ultra-sin" is erroneous and stupid. And if this school really wanted to be "pure", they'd exclude all sinners.

Perhaps it is.

I think you missed a step in interpretation...

[Blakk Metal]

As long as the money goes to secular things like math and english there is no problem

The school could raise money through private funds.
Otherwise, public money is used to take the burden off so the school could fund things like this.

That's how they fund abortions.

[4years]

So? It's still private, the issue is one that should be directed at the government not the school. That's what I am trying to get at.

I'm aware. I don't care if the private schools decides to do this. As long as they don't get subsidies. Or any help from the government whatsoever.

I do. This is totally unacceptable whether the school is public or private, subsidized or not.

[Destiny Island]

The school could raise money through private funds.
Otherwise, public money is used to take the burden off so the school could fund things like this.

That's how they fund abortions.

Solve the over-population problem. Get an abortion.

[Dyakovo]

From the OP:
"Salon noted that in spite of the exclusionary policy, Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014."

They shouldn't get subsidies.

So? It's still private, the issue is one that should be directed at the government not the school. That's what I am trying to get at.

Whose "fault" it is that they get government funding is immaterial. The simple fact is that they do get it and thus should not be allowed to do this.

[Vazdania]

So? It's still private, the issue is one that should be directed at the government not the school. That's what I am trying to get at.

Whose "fault" it is that they get government funding is immaterial. The simple fact is that they do get it and thus should not be allowed to do this.

They money they receive goes to things like math english and physical education.

[Vazdania]

I'm aware. I don't care if the private schools decides to do this. As long as they don't get subsidies. Or any help from the government whatsoever.

I do. This is totally unacceptable whether the school is public or private, subsidized or not.

Keep your atheistic/secular morality to yourself.

[4years]

I do. This is totally unacceptable whether the school is public or private, subsidized or not.

Keep your atheistic/secular morality to yourself.

Keep your religious extremist/fundamentalist morality to your self.

And the only rational basis for religion governance is secularism, i.e. rule of the law and equality of various belief systems. This kind of discrimination is unacceptable and should not be tolerated.

The whole indicate is just one more another example of why we ought to abolish the indoctrination centers (private schools) in favor of a strictly value-neutral and well-funded public school system. The indoctrination of children into religious fanaticism and discriminatory practices are not acceptable whether they are labelled public or private.

[Vettrera]

Whose "fault" it is that they get government funding is immaterial. The simple fact is that they do get it and thus should not be allowed to do this.

They money they receive goes to things like math english and physical education.

We're asserting that their views should disqualify them from getting money for anything, you're missing the point.

[Dyakovo]

Whose "fault" it is that they get government funding is immaterial. The simple fact is that they do get it and thus should not be allowed to do this.

They money they receive goes to things like math english and physical education.

Irrelevant.

[Timothia]

It's called a 'private school" for a reason: it's private. As long as it is not funded by the government, they are allowed to act on their conscience however they like. Don't like it? Go to a public school or to a different private school.

As has been pointed out many times already, they do receive government funding.

So did you conveniently ignore me saying that they should not receive funding? I said it 3-4 times. I think 90% of us here agree that they should not get funding from the government in the first place! Even if they never made anyone sign this pledge, they are a PRIVATE SCHOOL. To retain their integrity and status as a private school, they shouldn't be getting government funds in the first place!

[Dyakovo]

As has been pointed out many times already, they do receive government funding.

So did you conveniently ignore me saying that they should not receive funding? I said it 3-4 times. I think 90% of us here agree that they should not get funding from the government in the first place! Even if they never made anyone sign this pledge, they are a PRIVATE SCHOOL. To retain their integrity and status as a private school, they shouldn't be getting government funds in the first place!

Show me where in the post I quoted that you stated that they should not receive funding.

[Timothia]

So did you conveniently ignore me saying that they should not receive funding? I said it 3-4 times. I think 90% of us here agree that they should not get funding from the government in the first place! Even if they never made anyone sign this pledge, they are a PRIVATE SCHOOL. To retain their integrity and status as a private school, they shouldn't be getting government funds in the first place!

Show me where in the post I quoted that you stated that they should not receive funding.

Here's two of them, you can search my name if you need more. Why would you not believe me?

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For the private school's sake, it shouldn't be taking any government money, that way it won't have to deal with all the hyped up people saying that it's a violation of the First Amendment. Besides, if government money was going to fund a Hindu religious school (even if it was going to the math and PE programs), I would have issues and I'm sure you would too.

That's not the issue though.

The issue that most people, or at least some, have, is that taxpayer money is going to this school.

I could give less of a fuck about their views.
It's that taxpayer money is going to fund it.

I already said that they should not be getting taxpayer money when I was told that wouldn't be good enough. I agree that the government shouldn't fund that program.

[Vazdania]

They money they receive goes to things like math english and physical education.

Irrelevant.

Actually that is highly relevant.

As long as the funding goes to secular subjects there is no problem with a private school establishing its own criteria for admittance.

[Vazdania]

They money they receive goes to things like math english and physical education.

We're asserting that their views should disqualify them from getting money for anything, you're missing the point.

Just because they have views that aren't necessarily popular doesn't mean you should remove funding.