School orders families to sign "biblical morality pledge".

[Pandeeria]

Private schools should be subject to secularism.



Cute. But in reality, having private schools be secular isn't making a hive mind.

No they shouldn't. Private schools follow many secular standards and have many secular classes, but they should be allowed to host private religious classes if they so choose.

They follow many secular standards, yet host private religious classes? They teach about religion, normally with bias? They have stupid things like this "bible morality pledge? They refuse LGBT people?

If they follow many secular standards, we need to get more regulation in private schools.

[Vazdania]

Well Blasveck, no I do not, but I do know for sure, that government money can be used in private schools, but cannot be used in religious funding due to Everson v. Board of Education, (1947) and Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971).

Things like Math and Physical Education serve no religious purpose and a "secular" in nature.

So then your whole argument a moot, because taxpayer money is ALSO used to fund religiously motivated discrimination.

Actually no its not. The tax payer money is going to classes like math and Physical Education, not to things like Religion classes. The effect of aid to that school does not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion (it may however have a secondary effect of advancing religion which is allowed.)

[Benuty]

Well Blasveck, no I do not, but I do know for sure, that government money can be used in private schools, but cannot be used in religious funding due to Everson v. Board of Education, (1947) and Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971).

Things like Math and Physical Education serve no religious purpose and a "secular" in nature.

So then your whole argument a moot, because taxpayer money is ALSO used to fund religiously motivated discrimination.

I'd rather belief this is a case of a private school discriminating on the basis of societal issues ( especially the disgust factor towards gender and sexual minorities for some "preconceived" notion of legitimate thought) wrapped in thin blankets of poorly patched religious defense ( an extremely poor defense that could be broken apart by any theologian).

[The new order of Hetalia7]

Do we not all love the bureaucracy of the government? /sarcasm

[Vettrera]

and they get taxpayer money because...?

[Vazdania]

No they shouldn't. Private schools follow many secular standards and have many secular classes, but they should be allowed to host private religious classes if they so choose.

They follow many secular standards, yet host private religious classes? They teach about religion, normally with bias? They have stupid things like this "bible morality pledge? They refuse LGBT people?

If they follow many secular standards, we need to get more regulation in private schools.

Yes? That does not violate the Lemon test.
Yes, because its a RELIGIOUS school.
I suppose?
I suppose. Its a private school on private property.

They follow many secular standards....Not all of them.

[Vazdania]

and they get taxpayer money because...?

To fund classes like math and english and Physical education.

[Timothia]

It's called a 'private school" for a reason: it's private. As long as it is not funded by the government, they are allowed to act on their conscience however they like. Don't like it? Go to a public school or to a different private school.

[Pandeeria]

They follow many secular standards, yet host private religious classes? They teach about religion, normally with bias? They have stupid things like this "bible morality pledge? They refuse LGBT people?

If they follow many secular standards, we need to get more regulation in private schools.

Yes? That does not violate the Lemon test.
Yes, because its a RELIGIOUS school.
I suppose?
I suppose. Its a private school on private property.

They follow many secular standards....Not all of them.

What secular standards do they meet?

[Vettrera]

and they get taxpayer money because...?

To fund classes like math and english and Physical education.

The fact that they openly discriminate against certain groups no longer should allow them that luxury.
The fact that they "reserve the right" to not accept the tuition of certain children, implies they're willing to turn away money, and shouldn't receive any.

[Vazdania]

It's called a 'private school" for a reason: it's private. As long as it is not funded by the government, they are allowed to act on their conscience however they like. Don't like it? Go to a public school or to a different private school.

WRONG! close, but still wrong.

[Vazdania]

To fund classes like math and english and Physical education.

The fact that they openly discriminate against certain groups no longer should allow them that luxury.
The fact that they "reserve the right" to not accept the tuition of certain children, implies they're willing to turn away money, and shouldn't receive any.

Well I mean sure you could definitely say that.

[Vettrera]

and they get taxpayer money because...?

To fund classes like math and english and Physical education.

Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014.

[Vazdania]

Yes? That does not violate the Lemon test.
Yes, because its a RELIGIOUS school.
I suppose?
I suppose. Its a private school on private property.

They follow many secular standards....Not all of them.

What secular standards do they meet?

I'm not sure entirely for that school, but I mean my school met all Idaho secular school standards. Like benchmarks for students (things like third graders should be able to write in cursive; first graders should know how to count to 100...things like that) I'm quite certain they'd have something similar.

[Vazdania]

To fund classes like math and english and Physical education.

Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014.

Yes? Because they've not done anything legally wrong.

Ethically I'd say they've done wrong.

[Timothia]

It's called a 'private school" for a reason: it's private. As long as it is not funded by the government, they are allowed to act on their conscience however they like. Don't like it? Go to a public school or to a different private school.

WRONG! close, but still wrong.

Wait, I'm wrong? How? The government should not be able to fund these guys. If they want to be biased and discriminatory per their personal convictions, that is fine. They get to do it on their own tab. No government funds. How is that wrong?

[Vettrera]

What secular standards do they meet?

I'm not sure entirely for that school, but I mean my school met all Idaho secular school standards. Like benchmarks for students (things like third graders should be able to write in cursive; first graders should know how to count to 100...things like that) I'm quite certain they'd have something similar.

...so you think as long as they follow Performance Standards, they deserve money?

[Pandeeria]

What secular standards do they meet?

I'm not sure entirely for that school, but I mean my school met all Idaho secular school standards. Like benchmarks for students (things like third graders should be able to write in cursive; first graders should know how to count to 100...things like that) I'm quite certain they'd have something similar.

You said they follow many secular standards. Please name five official standards schools must and do meet.

[Pandeeria]

WRONG! close, but still wrong.

Wait, I'm wrong? How? The government should not be able to fund these guys. If they want to be biased and discriminatory per their personal convictions, that is fine. They get to do it on their own tab. No government funds. How is that wrong?

Still wrong!
They shouldn't be discriminatory at all!

[The Orson Empire]

Disgusting, in my opinion. Though I think homosexuality is immoral, everyone should have equal rights.

[Vazdania]

WRONG! close, but still wrong.

Wait, I'm wrong? How? The government should not be able to fund these guys. If they want to be biased and discriminatory per their personal convictions, that is fine. They get to do it on their own tab. No government funds. How is that wrong?

You're wrong because it is funded by the government but schools that receive government money must use that money for secular purposes and for things that neither advance nor inhibit religion. As long as they use that money for secular purposes they can still pretty much do a lot of things a public school can not.

[Timothia]

Wait, I'm wrong? How? The government should not be able to fund these guys. If they want to be biased and discriminatory per their personal convictions, that is fine. They get to do it on their own tab. No government funds. How is that wrong?

Still wrong!
They shouldn't be discriminatory at all!

So they aren't allowed to act on their beliefs? Is that what you are telling me?

[Vazdania]

Wait, I'm wrong? How? The government should not be able to fund these guys. If they want to be biased and discriminatory per their personal convictions, that is fine. They get to do it on their own tab. No government funds. How is that wrong?

Still wrong!
They shouldn't be discriminatory at all!

why? What makes your belief superior to others? Why are you imposing your views on private schools and the religious? Keep your secular morality to yourself.

[Pandeeria]

Still wrong!
They shouldn't be discriminatory at all!

So they aren't allowed to act on their beliefs? Is that what you are telling me?

Also known as meeting unbiased educational standards? Yes.

[Timothia]

Wait, I'm wrong? How? The government should not be able to fund these guys. If they want to be biased and discriminatory per their personal convictions, that is fine. They get to do it on their own tab. No government funds. How is that wrong?

You're wrong because it is funded by the government but schools that receive government money must use that money for secular purposes and for things that neither advance nor inhibit religion. As long as they use that money for secular purposes they can still pretty much do a lot of things a public school can not.

That's what I'm saying, no more funding for schools like this./ But it is perfectly fine for the school to do this with the understanding that they won't get tax payer cash.