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Postby Vazdania » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:54 pm

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Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

Sexual orientation isn't a disease that you catch, but something you are born with.

really? I thought it was something you developed that you were predisposed to.....hm....perhaps my Gender studies professor lied to me.
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:54 pm

Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

2/10

Try harder.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:54 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:Not according to your source.

Supposedly. Even if they did, you cannot show that they did it at 0900, 1200, and 1500.

Considering most of them were horrible people by today's standards, I'd definitely say that is not true.

Suppose it WAS once daily, the source goes on to say that you should pray when you eat. Should I remove myself from the classroom everytime before I eat?

If there are females around, you are required too...


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That's not necessarily the Most authoritative source...just letting you know.

If you have one that supports what you are claiming, why didn't you provide it?
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:55 pm

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Did not the South claim that slavery benefited the wellbeing of African Americans?

Didn't the Nazis initiate the Final Solution in order to serve the wellbeing of a pure Aryan Race?

Was not the Trail of Tears suiting the wellbeing of the Natives, by "protecting" them in Reservations?

Wellbeing and ethics depend on perspective.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:02 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
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Did not the South claim that slavery benefited the wellbeing of African Americans?

Didn't the Nazis initiate the Final Solution in order to serve the wellbeing of a pure Aryan Race?

Was not the Trail of Tears suiting the wellbeing of the Natives, by "protecting" them in Reservations?

Wellbeing and ethics depend on perspective.
All of those could be objectively proven to significantly lessen wellbeing when we observe measurable factors such as mental, physical, and emotional health, socioeconomic development, freedom offered to the populace, equality of the people and other such factors. No, those are all examples that indicate morality is not a matter of opinion, but something that can be determined through scientific inquiry.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:16 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Did not the South claim that slavery benefited the wellbeing of African Americans?

Didn't the Nazis initiate the Final Solution in order to serve the wellbeing of a pure Aryan Race?

Was not the Trail of Tears suiting the wellbeing of the Natives, by "protecting" them in Reservations?

Wellbeing and ethics depend on perspective.
All of those could be objectively proven to significantly lessen wellbeing when we observe measurable factors such as mental, physical, and emotional health, socioeconomic development, freedom offered to the populace, equality of the people and other such factors. No, those are all examples that indicate morality is not a matter of opinion, but something that can be determined through scientific inquiry.

No, those are all examples that show that success in a certain moral framework can be measured objectively. The fundamental premises are still matters of opinion.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:21 pm

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The examples you gave are based off of the assumption that it is "wrong" to act the factors mentioned.

You are arguing that ethics are based on wellbeing, but isn't wellbeing itself an ethical concept? Wellbeing implies that it is "right" to benefit others, a "right" that cannot be explained without using ethics and the assumption that helping others is good.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:31 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Sexual orientation isn't a disease that you catch, but something you are born with.

really? I thought it was something you developed that you were predisposed to.....hm....perhaps my Gender studies professor lied to me.

Either he lied, you're lying, or he's a shit gender studies professor.
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Postby Tekania » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:37 pm

I don't see an issue with a private shool doing this.... I do find issue they receive tax funding through vouchers. So, my contention is not with the school's actions, but rather with the government's here.
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Postby Valendia » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:42 pm

Tekania wrote:I don't see an issue with a private shool doing this.... I do find issue they receive tax funding through vouchers. So, my contention is not with the school's actions, but rather with the government's here.


I do. The government has a vested interest in having an educated population - religious education is best left for the home.
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Postby Conservative Conservationists » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:43 pm

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Why?
Accreditation for schools relates to what is taught. As long as they are meeting curriculum demands, it is legitimate.
I would not support tax dollars going to the school, but if people want to waste their own funds, it is their own choice.

Well, perhaps not accreditation under current law (although, I feel showing respect and giving certain civil rights to students should be a required part of accreditation), but at the very least the subsidies should be suspended.


Under the current laws, I would struggle to find one subsidy

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Postby Liriena » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:47 pm

Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

1. That makes absolutely no fucking sense.
2. It's gender dysphoria.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:51 pm

Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

You can't catch homosexuality.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:51 pm

Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

I wasn't aware peoples gender could deteriorate.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

2/10

Try harder.


That's a bit too generous if you ask me.
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Postby Conservative Conservationists » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:57 pm

Benuty wrote:
Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

I wasn't aware peoples gender could deteriorate.


Dosnt everything deteriorate. I am not too sure what the state below male/female/transgender is, but we can find it.
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Postby Corsahnim » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:02 pm

Zottistan wrote:Link.

The letter.

A Christian private school in Wilmington, NC has announced that it has adopted a so-called “Biblical Morality Policy” that allows the school to expel or refuse to admit LGBT children or children from families with LGBT members. According to Salon.com, the letter was written by Myrtle Grove Christian School President J. Stacy Miller.

The letter (embedded here) begins by evoking the childhood game “Duck Duck Goose.”

“Do you remember playing circle games like ‘Duck Duck Goose’ in elementary school?” Miller asked. “In order to form a circle, we would gather in close together, hold hands, and then back up away from the center” and form a circle.

“If we move to far from the center, we can’t hold hands anymore,” the principal warned.

He went on to say that all families with children at Myrtle Grove must sign the “Biblical Morality Policy,” swearing not to participate in, support or affirm “sexual immorality, homosexual activity, or bisexual activity; promoting such practices; or being unable to support the moral principles of the school.”

Compliance with the anti-LGBT policy will enable the school, he said, will help “students to develop a biblical understanding of morality and to pursue a life that is governed by the biblical moral code.”

“For this reason,” said Miller, “the school reserves the right, within its sole discretion, to refuse admission of an applicant or to discontinue enrollment of a student if the atmosphere or conduct within a particular home or the activities of the student are counter to or are in opposition to the biblical lifestyle the school teaches.”

Salon noted that in spite of the exclusionary policy, Myrtle Grove will still be eligible for taxpayer-funded government subsidies in 2014.


To sum up, a private school in North Carolina has adopted a policy that allows them to expel or refuse to admit sexual and gender minority students, or students from families with sexual and gender minority members. Their reasoning? Bible quotes and a terribly put-together metaphor about duck-duck-goose.

Honestly, isn't this illegal? Are private schools exempt from the Civil Rights Act? They shouldn't be. And isn't the school continuing to be open to government subsidies blatantly unconstitutional?

It's a private school. They can do whatever they want. But that doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:07 pm

Corsahnim wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Link.

The letter.



To sum up, a private school in North Carolina has adopted a policy that allows them to expel or refuse to admit sexual and gender minority students, or students from families with sexual and gender minority members. Their reasoning? Bible quotes and a terribly put-together metaphor about duck-duck-goose.

Honestly, isn't this illegal? Are private schools exempt from the Civil Rights Act? They shouldn't be. And isn't the school continuing to be open to government subsidies blatantly unconstitutional?

It's a private school. They can do whatever they want. But that doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off.

They can't do whatever they want with government funding. And they shouldn't be able to do whatever they want without it.
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Postby Tekania » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:08 pm

Valendia wrote:
Tekania wrote:I don't see an issue with a private shool doing this.... I do find issue they receive tax funding through vouchers. So, my contention is not with the school's actions, but rather with the government's here.


I do. The government has a vested interest in having an educated population - religious education is best left for the home.


As I'm only concerned with the impact of the governments operations in relation to its constitutionality in regards to the first amendment; I class your opinion as equally invalid as those who would give this school tax money in vounchers. As such, since it is equally invalid, I dismiss it.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:10 pm

Kushtor wrote:The morality of an ancient tribe of filthy ululating savages is no morality at all.


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1. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
2. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage."
3. Leviticus 19:19 "You shall not sow your field with mixed seed."
4. Leviticus 19:19 "Nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you."
5. Leviticus 19:19 "You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard."

If a woman is raped, the rapist pays the father some money and his victim is his wife forever.If someone even suggests converting to another religion they are to be killed. Growing multiple crops is sin. Wearing most modern clothes, which are a combination of cotton and polyester, is sinful. Shaving and getting a haircut are sinful. Sounds like a great school.

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Postby Aethrys » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:11 pm

Utterly despicable.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Austro-German Prussia wrote:An amazing display that can only be applauded. Homosexuals around non-homosexuals only leads to more homosexuals and causes psychological problems (ie gender dystrophy)

2/10

Try harder.


-1000/10.

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:22 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Blasveck wrote:2/10

Try harder.


-1000/10.

My father's gay, And I'm straight as can be. Magnificent Job.

EDIT: It's complicated.


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Postby Tekania » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:32 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Blasveck wrote:2/10

Try harder.


-1000/10.

My father's gay, And I'm straight as can be. Magnificent Job.

EDIT: It's complicated.


Don't be silly, gay parents and such make gay kids, just like only straight parents make straight kids. Which is why there are no gay people and everyone is straight.
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