School orders families to sign "biblical morality pledge".

[Shershah]

God will understand. And if he doesn't, then he is not god and we need not worry.

Care to explain why the face palm ?

[Vazdania]

1.) That is restricting people from freely practicing.
2.) I know I'm required to say mine out loud. I can not just pray silently. The same goes for other groups.

1: No, it isn't.
2: I call bullshit.

Yes it is.

"Prayer is accomplished through speech, which is an action and therefore a good deed, rather than mere thought."
http://www.noahide.com/prayer.htm

[Vazdania]

Care to explain why the face palm ?

I am required to pray at least 3 times daily. Out loud. At specific times.

[Blasveck]

1: False. Delay=/=prohibit.
2: Pray quietly to yourself during class.

1.) That is restricting people from freely practicing.
2.) I know I'm required to say mine out loud. I can not just pray silently. The same goes for other groups.

1. Rights aren't absolute. Your freedom of speech can be restricted within public schools, as the courts have decided.

[Vazdania]

1.) That is restricting people from freely practicing.
2.) I know I'm required to say mine out loud. I can not just pray silently. The same goes for other groups.

1. Rights aren't absolute. Your freedom of speech can be restricted within public schools, as the courts have decided.

Well actually the courts have ruled that students can freely speak in schools, and that the school is not a constitutional dead zone.

[Pandeeria]

Care to explain why the face palm ?

I am required to pray at least 3 times daily. Out loud. At specific times.

What times?

[Shershah]

Care to explain why the face palm ?

I am required to pray at least 3 times daily. Out loud. At specific times.

and i am saying that if you for some reason can't, then god will certainly understand.

And this is coming from a muslim, if that matters to you.

[Vazdania]

I am required to pray at least 3 times daily. Out loud. At specific times.

What times?

9am 12pm 3pm

[Vazdania]

I am required to pray at least 3 times daily. Out loud. At specific times.

and i am saying that if you for some reason can't, then god will certainly understand.

And this is coming from a muslim, if that matters to you.

Sorry you're not a religious offical. Get over it.

I'm not muslim I don't care about your interpretation of God.

[Dyakovo]

God will understand. And if he doesn't, then he is not god and we need not worry.

He won't understand? Not particularly benevolent, is he?

[Blasveck]

1. Rights aren't absolute. Your freedom of speech can be restricted within public schools, as the courts have decided.

Well actually the courts have ruled that students can freely speak in schools, and that the school is not a constitutional dead zone.

Wrong.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_S ... _v._Fraser
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwoo ... _Kuhlmeier
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick

All three court cases determined that public schools have a right to regulate student speech.

[Pandeeria]

What times?

9am 12pm 3pm

If your god was benevolent and deserving of your love, he/she/it would understand if you couldn't do it out loud or at those times.

[Vazdania]

He won't understand? Not particularly benevolent, is he?

You like restricting people's rights?, Good job buddy you must feel SO good about yourself

[Shershah]

and i am saying that if you for some reason can't, then god will certainly understand.

And this is coming from a muslim, if that matters to you.

Sorry you're not a religious offical. Get over it.

I'm not muslim I don't care about your interpretation of God.

You don't see god as a benevolent entity who will not hold something like this against you ?

and that was about how we are required to pray 5 times daily.

[Jormengand]

1: No, it isn't.
2: I call bullshit.

Yes it is.

"Prayer is accomplished through speech, which is an action and therefore a good deed, rather than mere thought."
http://www.noahide.com/prayer.htm

I still have no idea why you cannot achieve the same thing in a state school which happens to have slightly odd lesson timings.

[Dyakovo]

1. Rights aren't absolute. Your freedom of speech can be restricted within public schools, as the courts have decided.

Well actually the courts have ruled that students can freely speak in schools, and that the school is not a constitutional dead zone.

Don't lie.

[Vazdania]

9am 12pm 3pm

If your god was benevolent and deserving of your love, he/she/it would understand if you couldn't do it out loud or at those times.

You're not a religious official. By not allowing me to practice freely you've restricted my right when I would have otherwise been able to freely practice had I been in a private religious school

[Dyakovo]

He won't understand? Not particularly benevolent, is he?

You like restricting people's rights?, Good job buddy you must feel SO good about yourself

When the interfere with the rights of others, yes. Not sure what that has to do with what I said though.

[Vazdania]

Well actually the courts have ruled that students can freely speak in schools, and that the school is not a constitutional dead zone.

Don't lie.

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969)

[Pandeeria]

If your god was benevolent and deserving of your love, he/she/it would understand if you couldn't do it out loud or at those times.

You're not a religious official. By not allowing me to practice freely you've restricted my right when I would have otherwise been able to freely practice had I been in a private religious school

No, if you really must, you can go and pray in the hall for a few minutes. You cannot be disruptive though to everyone else.

And schools should defiantly not mandate prayer, nor have sessions for it.

[Vazdania]

You like restricting people's rights?, Good job buddy you must feel SO good about yourself

When the interfere with the rights of others, yes. Not sure what that has to do with what I said though.

Me going to a Private Religious school does not interfere with the rights of others. You're interfering with my rights by sending me to a public school and restricting my religious freedoms.

[Vazdania]

You're not a religious official. By not allowing me to practice freely you've restricted my right when I would have otherwise been able to freely practice had I been in a private religious school

No, if you really must, you can go and pray in the hall for a few minutes. You cannot be disruptive though to everyone else.

And schools should defiantly not mandate prayer, nor have sessions for it.

Prayer lasts longer than a few minutes. It can be up to an hour.

[Blasveck]

Don't lie.

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v ... l_District

Tinker remains a viable and frequently-cited Court precedent, though subsequent Court decisions have determined limitations on the scope of student free speech rights. In Bethel School District v. Fraser, a 1986 case, the Supreme Court held that a high school student's sexual innuendo–laden speech during a student assembly was not constitutionally protected. Though Fraser applies the Tinker test of disruption to school decorum, if not undermining of educational mission, the effect is to make an exception to Tinker for "indecent" speech. Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier, where the court ruled that schools have the right to regulate, for legitimate educational reasons, the content of non-forum, school-sponsored newspapers, also limits Tinker's application.

[Shershah]

If your god was benevolent and deserving of your love, he/she/it would understand if you couldn't do it out loud or at those times.

You're not a religious official. By not allowing me to practice freely you've restricted my right when I would have otherwise been able to freely practice had I been in a private religious school

Still, why would god direct his wrath towards you though, in that case ?

and why do you keep mentioning "religious official" ? are you saying that you hold them in higher authority ? they are men, not god. What makes their word, his ?

[Dyakovo]

1: No, it isn't.
2: I call bullshit.

Yes it is.

"Prayer is accomplished through speech, which is an action and therefore a good deed, rather than mere thought."
http://www.noahide.com/prayer.htm

I don't see where it says you have to pray 3 times per day, let alone at 0900, 1200, and 1500...