Ukrainian Crisis

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I'm not saying propaganda with other ideological motives doesn't exist or isn't any issue, but surely, my point is that they are not trustworthy to be the ones to say who to believe or support in this conflict.

Neither side is.

So...?

What are you own, dude[tte]?

[Kyuji]

Neither side is.

So...?

What are you own, dude[tte]?

That both sides have reasons for wanting the ukraine on their side , most of which are selfish on both sides , but that ultimately the problem in the ukraine has very little to do with the sides , and more to do with the ukrainian goverment making a very different choice from the one that the people want , after having made several of those kinds of choices.

[Shofercia]

Everybody knows FTAs are shit. I am still very proud of Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela and Ecuador all teaming up to reject the FTAA, doesn't matter if 9 in 10 readers of news sources like Wall Street Journal say we're ebul dumb wannabe commies voting for insane economic policies that are just populizum and are going to make us all miserable.

In fact EU membership should start before "liberalizing markets", but then eurocrats all have a fetish for what is know to result into savage capitalism. So fuck them! I support the "russophile, Putinist" Ukrainian revolts.

Damn it, I feel like Quintium now.

Considering russias history with the ukraine you might want to change your opinion

Considering Germany's history with Ukraine... it's really not hard to find problems in European history for anyone worth their salt as a historian, and the "hurr durr Russia bad" crap is getting old. Russia offered the government a better deal than the EU, the government took it. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best. But hey, maybe Russia should take a page out of your playbook, next time EU and China provide Russia with competing offers, eh? Fuck the EU's offer, because after all, considering Germany's history with Russia... France's history with Russia... UK's history with Russia... shall I keep going?

[Miyager]

Everybody knows FTAs are shit. I am still very proud of Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela and Ecuador all teaming up to reject the FTAA, doesn't matter if 9 in 10 readers of news sources like Wall Street Journal say we're ebul dumb wannabe commies voting for insane economic policies that are just populizum and are going to make us all miserable.

In fact EU membership should start before "liberalizing markets", but then eurocrats all have a fetish for what is know to result into savage capitalism. So fuck them! I support the "russophile, Putinist" Ukrainian revolts.

Damn it, I feel like Quintium now.

Considering russias history with the ukraine you might want to change your opinion

Because history matters so much when it comes to relationships between two nations.

Like France and Germany; oh wait.

[Independent Canterbury]

Protestors have trapped police inside conceit hall.

http://rt.com/on-air/ukraine-kiev-police-protesters/

[NorthEast Alliance]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... e-21650632

Wow, the protests are more violent that I thought. What I was saying earlier in the thread was true Russia has to step in now and end the radical leftist threat.

[The New Lowlands]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-protests-resemble-medieval-battle-21650632

Wow, the protests are more violent that I thought. What I was saying earlier in the thread was true Russia has to step in now and end the radical leftist threat.

... People supporting a free trade agreement are a radical leftist threat?

[European Socialist Republic]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-protests-resemble-medieval-battle-21650632

Wow, the protests are more violent that I thought. What I was saying earlier in the thread was true Russia has to step in now and end the radical leftist threat.

Radical leftist? When did the protesters demand common ownership of the means of production?

[NorthEast Alliance]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-protests-resemble-medieval-battle-21650632

Wow, the protests are more violent that I thought. What I was saying earlier in the thread was true Russia has to step in now and end the radical leftist threat.

... People supporting a free trade agreement are a radical leftist threat?

The EU is a radical leftist organization with neo-liberal globalized influences.

[Kyuji]

Considering russias history with the ukraine you might want to change your opinion

Considering Germany's history with Ukraine... it's really not hard to find problems in European history for anyone worth their salt as a historian, and the "hurr durr Russia bad" crap is getting old. Russia offered the government a better deal than the EU, the government took it. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best. But hey, maybe Russia should take a page out of your playbook, next time EU and China provide Russia with competing offers, eh? Fuck the EU's offer, because after all, considering Germany's history with Russia... France's history with Russia... UK's history with Russia... shall I keep going?

If i remember correctly the ukrainians were willing to work with the nazis in order to defeat the russians untill the nazis started killing the ukrainians ,the russians oppressed the ukrianians during the sovyet era and before that .this isnt BIG BAD RUSSIA this is one nation having a bad history with russia.

[The New Lowlands]

... People supporting a free trade agreement are a radical leftist threat?

The EU is a radical leftist organization with neo-liberal globalized influences.

No, it really isn't. It's a supranational government; it has right-wingers and left-wingers, and the most you could say about it is that it's economically centre-left.

Meanwhile, Russian protectionism is of course the finest example of TruFreedom and Capitalism^tm.

[Kyuji]

Considering russias history with the ukraine you might want to change your opinion

Because history matters so much when it comes to relationships between two nations.

Like France and Germany; oh wait.

They still hate each other and every war between them was caused by the one before it.

[The New Lowlands]

Because history matters so much when it comes to relationships between two nations.

Like France and Germany; oh wait.

They still hate each other and every war between them was caused by the one before it.

They really don't.

[NorthEast Alliance]

The EU is a radical leftist organization with neo-liberal globalized influences.

No, it really isn't. It's a supranational government; it has right-wingers and left-wingers, and the most you could say about it is that it's economically centre-left.

Meanwhile, Russian protectionism is of course the finest example of TruFreedom and Capitalism^tm.

I do not support free trade I am a Fascist. Russia is more fiscally sound than the EU anyway.

[European Socialist Republic]

... People supporting a free trade agreement are a radical leftist threat?

The EU is a radical leftist organization with neo-liberal globalized influences.

Radical leftist AND neo-liberal? Am I the only one who sees the contradiction?

[Independent Canterbury]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-protests-resemble-medieval-battle-21650632

Wow, the protests are more violent that I thought. What I was saying earlier in the thread was true Russia has to step in now and end the radical leftist threat.

... People supporting a free trade agreement are a radical leftist threat?

They are when they're trying to kill police officers.

[The New Lowlands]

No, it really isn't. It's a supranational government; it has right-wingers and left-wingers, and the most you could say about it is that it's economically centre-left.

Meanwhile, Russian protectionism is of course the finest example of TruFreedom and Capitalism^tm.

1) I do not support free trade I am a Fascist. 2) Russia is more fiscally sound than the EU anyway.

1) You understand that Russia is acting more left-wing than the EU on this issue, right?
I mean, that's not necessarily a bad thing- but you do get that, right?
2) Source?

[NorthEast Alliance]

The EU is a radical leftist organization with neo-liberal globalized influences.

Radical leftist AND neo-liberal? Am I the only one who sees the contradiction?

There all part of the problem here, the elitist's in Brussels want soviet style collective identity while discouraging nationalism which is a terrible thing for any nation. Meanwhile they still support globalized economics merely to spread foreign influence and keep the liberal elite in power and the everyday people's of Europe in check.

[The New Lowlands]

Radical leftist AND neo-liberal? Am I the only one who sees the contradiction?

There all part of the problem here, the elitist's in Brussels want soviet style collective identity while discouraging nationalism which is a terrible thing for any nation. Meanwhile they still support globalized economics merely to spread foreign influence and keep the liberal elite in power and the everyday people's of Europe in check.

Do you have a source for any of this conspiracy-theory bullshit?

[European Socialist Republic]

Radical leftist AND neo-liberal? Am I the only one who sees the contradiction?

There all part of the problem here, the elitist's in Brussels want soviet style collective identity while discouraging nationalism which is a terrible thing for any nation. Meanwhile they still support globalized economics merely to spread foreign influence and keep the liberal elite in power and the everyday people's of Europe in check.

Ah, the old EUSSR meme. How I missed that one... not!
Source?

[Kyuji]

They still hate each other and every war between them was caused by the one before it.

They really don't.

Oke i looked it up your right they dont hate each other anymore ,after having been in a cycle of war that lasted over six hundred year!

[The New Lowlands]

They really don't.

Oke i looked it up your right they dont hate each other anymore ,after having been in a cycle of war that lasted over six hundred year!

As a former resident of both countries, besides some drunk rants, memorials, and some banter, nobody gives a shit anymore.

[NorthEast Alliance]

There all part of the problem here, the elitist's in Brussels want soviet style collective identity while discouraging nationalism which is a terrible thing for any nation. Meanwhile they still support globalized economics merely to spread foreign influence and keep the liberal elite in power and the everyday people's of Europe in check.

Do you have a source for any of this conspiracy-theory bullshit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRrn9UkpVZE

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

http://rt.com/op-edge/davos-western-eco ... istan-072/

[Kyuji]

Oke i looked it up your right they dont hate each other anymore ,after having been in a cycle of war that lasted over six hundred year!

As a former resident of both countries, besides some drunk rants, memorials, and some banter, nobody gives a shit anymore.

*sigh* your not getting my point , my point is that hated like this can be deep .

[The New Lowlands]

As a former resident of both countries, besides some drunk rants, memorials, and some banter, nobody gives a shit anymore.

*sigh* your not getting my point , my point is that hated like this can be deep .

Oh, sure, it can be. In the case of irredentism, or a recent war. Here's the thing; it isn't.