Marcurix wrote:
Expand on this.economic growth for Russia
Which can't solely be put down to Putin, much like the economic problems facing Russia.
and more recently protecting family values in Russia a benefit to all Russian people.
Protecting "family values" is in the eye of the beholder, and it certainly isn't a benefit to all Russian people.
Putin is well simply put a strong and capable leader, disagree with him or not you can not deny the mans leadership skills in making Russia a better place.
I can and will. Putin is not a particularly distinguishing leader in terms of his capabilities when compared to his counter-parts in the EU. He does his PR like all EU leaders do, panders to his friends as all EU leaders do and he tries to divide his enemies as all EU leaders do. The advantage Putin does have is the system that allows him to take more heavy handed measures against his opponents and his ability to utilize this system without major backlash. This is not present in Ukraine, if you've been paying attention.Which could happen in Ukraine if Putin forged closer ties.
and how do you figure that? Ukraine is not Russia, the system is not the same and any partnership is sorely tipped in favour of Russia. Better for Ukraine to go to the EU to balance the scales.As for my comment of crashing in two seconds its was obviously a testament on the failed economic policy of the communist super state your defending.
The only testaments you're making are as follows:
You don't understand economics
You don't know what communism is
You don't know what a state isI realize it won't crash in two seconds but like many countries in the EU which are collapsing
No they're not. Are some nations going through hard times? Yes, but that does not equal collapse.Ukraine risks the same problem
It Ukraine is facing collapse it won't be because of the EU.and another factor which I failed to mention is immigration. I do not think the UK wants to deal with hundreds of thousands of Ukraine's people flooding enmase like the Poles or Islamic extremists.
Well, first you should understand that the Ukraine-EU agreement wasn't about the freedom of movement that is present in the EU itself. This was a matter for forge closer economic ties not to wholly join the EU at this time, so your immigration attempt isn't particularly relevant or important in this case.
Second, Islamic extremists have not been flooding into the UK. While there is a problem with a very small minority, they do not reflect the values or thinking of the vast majority of Muslims in the UK it should also be said small minority is being dealt with, slowly and surely. So I'll ask you to either educated yourself on that subject or to be quite about it, because clearly your interaction with British Muslims in general is lacking.
Thirdly, regardless on my own opinion of the EU's currently free moment policies, you have no ground to suggest hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians would "flood" the UK even if it were to join the EU outright.As for your comments toward nationalism you are 100% incorrect nationalism is a vital concept of any nation state.
Useful? Yes. Vital? No. Nationalism as such utilized by nations clings to past grudges beyond the point of benefit.The phrase 'Strength Through Unity, Unity Through Faith" comes to mind.
So does the word obedience.A nation united will be strong against opposition despite what the mainstream elite is telling you.
The mainstream elite would love a common foe to focus people's attentions away from issues in the country. People should only resort to a solidly unified front when the country faces a serious external threat. These days that ideal gets molded by the elite all the time to suit their needs and offer distraction to a populace.
I understand were your coming from regarding Putin, he is not a perfect leader and your right the situation in Russia allows for him to "manage" state affairs more personally unlike the EU leaders who are restrained compared to Putin. I applaud him for his leadership in the Chechen wars however.
I do not claim to be an expert on economics, it is a subject I wish to learn more about. But what I understand is the right for a nation state to exist not an umbrella of various nations bounds under laws a majority do not want. I understand what communism is and the failure that it is thank you, it is much simpler to lump socialists and communists together because well same difference really.
The people of Europe are going through hard times indeed thanks to socialist economic policies enacted by corrupt elites. You have to understand were I am coming from, I am fighting for the working class people of Europe the families etc. They deserve freedom both on a personal level and an economic one at that.
As for the mass immigration most of the Muslims are radicalized. Remember the groomer gangs threatening young girls? Need I say more?
