Ukrainian Crisis

[Occupied Deutschland]

Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Putin isn't "protecting Russian citizens", it's far worse. He's "protecting ethnic Russians", which is essentially Russia asserting sovereignty over non-citizens and non-residents.

But they want to be part of Russia!
The Prime Ministerwho was installed at gunpoint by men in unmarked uniforms who really love Russia said so!
It's totes legit bro!

[Regnum Dominae]

http://nypost.com/2014/03/02/gunmen-sur ... in-crimea/
https://www.kyivpost.com/multimedia/pho ... 38231.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600

It is possible that the allegation of Russian soldiers threatening to murder Ukrainian soldiers' families if they don't surrender is false. But it is undeniable that Ukrainian military installations are being beseiged.

I've skimmed all three sources, where specifically does it say that they are "threatening to murder Ukranian soldiers' families' ?

Yeah, I admitted that that specific allegation, which was originally made yesterday, likely turned out to be false.

That doesn't change the fact that the Russian forces are blockading and besieging Ukrainian military installations.

[Shofercia]

Iraq posed no threat to the US. If Mexico had Ukraine's instability, I might've supported intervention in Mexico, depending on the circumstances.

And Ukraine posed no threat to Russia. I mean remember earlier? you scoffing at the comparison that their military is any match for Russia? Or should the US have intervened in Mexico because an American got his head chopped off? Clearly a sign of the country in chaos and "ethnic tensions" about to erupt into a Holocaust 2.0.

You don't think that if the cartels in Mexico took over the Mexican Government that would pose a threat to the US, even if they could get the Mexican Legislature to vote for them?

Your entire post:



Where's the justification? Oh, also this, [Crimean Tatars] despise Russia more than the government in Kiev could even hope to is highly Russophobic, since the Government in Kiev included Svoboda in the coalition. Would you like to continue embarrassing yourself? Stalin fucked them, why despise the rest of the country? I'm not a fan of Stalin, and I don't hate Russia.

I refer you to their leader.

Leaders of groups are generally good sources of information as to their general feelings on items.

The Crimean Tatars are no fans of Russia, do not want to be part of Russia and, if one reads an inch between the lines, despise Russia.

How, precisely, is me referencing an ethnic groups dislike for Russia Russophobic of ME again?
Especially when said dislike exists?

It's interesting how you twist your words. First you claimed that there was justification in your post. You omitted that in your response. Second you initially claimed that Crimean Tatars despise Russia more than the government in Kiev, (including Svoboda), could even hope to... that's not something you can source. So at the very end of your response, the term you craftily swtiched to is "dislike". You do realize that there's a difference between despising a country worse than someone like Svoboda, and merely disliking a country, right?

[Geilinor]

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

with the Ukraine moving on to them by banning minority languages

They weren't banned.

[Costa Fierro]

There's a lot of things that Putin does wrong, but they don't come up on NSG. Beliebers are mentioned more often.

Because no one is really interested in the internal affairs of Russia unless it's about human rights abuses or is in mainstream media. It's not like people want to go into an in-depth about the fight against government corruption, the effects of Russia's economic growth on people or Russia's fairly non-existent environmental protection policies, especially with the wholesale logging of Siberian taiga forests.

Most people just don't give a fuck.

[Jinwoy]

with the Ukraine moving on to them by banning minority languages

They weren't banned.

Some were.

[Regnum Dominae]

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

They didn't have much of a choice, with the Ukraine moving on to them by banning minority languages

They didn't "ban minority languages". They removed the "official" status of the Russian language, which had only even been co-official since 2012.

and taking away the semi-autonomy status of Crimea

wat

against the wishes of the people living there...

Seriously, if Russia was the US, we would have seen a full scale invasion by now.

No. We wouldn't have.

[Estado Paulista]

Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Agreed. If Putin's invasion of Crimea doesn't scream "Sudetenland", I don't know what does.

[Tahar Joblis]

Am I the only who is annoyed by the way our ULTRA biased western media are presenting the whole thing? Unprofessional journalism at its finest. Unprofessional or manipulative, your take.

Am I the only one who is annoyed by the way ULTRA biased Russian media are presenting the whole thing? Unprofessional journalism at its finest. Unprofessional or manipulative, your take.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... pport.html

Al Jazeera also presents Russia has having conducted a military invasion of Ukrainian territory. Note words like "besieged," "ultimatum," and "its military action." It's pretty much only the Russian media presenting it any way other than "Russia is invading."

[Geilinor]

They weren't banned.

Some were.

Taking away official status doesn't ban it.

[Jinwoy]

No. We wouldn't have.

History begs to differ on that.

[Regnum Dominae]

They weren't banned.

Some were.

Removing the co-official status of a minority language is not "banning" that language. Please get your facts straight.

[Costa Fierro]

Wasn't RT News in specific but still.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26411396

Rossiya is very well known for it's rhetoric. Not surprising given that it's state owned.

[Jinwoy]

Some were.

Taking away official status doesn't ban it.

You missed the point entirely.
The point is that they are moving on the rights of Ethnic Russians. Why else would Russia intervene? (Excluding the other obvious and far more interesting and truthful reasons)

[Mike the Progressive]

Invasion you say? @MikeTheProgressive

Did you just... did you just post the opinions of a single person who said that?

What else are places under Russian occupation like? Do the women sing and frolic in the lush green fields while experiencing multiple orgasms thinking of Vlad? Do the children ride the unicorns and dance with the smurfs all the while eating all the chocolate their little hearts desire ? Do the men shit gold and bang beautiful, large breasted women, who are tighter than a prisoner's bum?

Did you really just underline that for me?

[The Soviet Republic of America]

Since there is really no way for me to win this ill just quit. We should be trying to prevent a conflict in Ukraine instead of threatening to declare war on each other... if that doesn't work... Call me when the new government of Ukraine gets overthrown by the same people who placed them in power.

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

The EU isn't helping Either. Its been a few months now and nothing has been done by them.

[Shofercia]

Also EG, that doesn't get talked a lot about on NSG. There's a lot of things that Putin does wrong, but they don't come up on NSG. Beliebers are mentioned more often.

I recall everything from his questionable electoral victories to his loophole of a third term to reporters, who were being uber harsh, found dead to Pussy Riot being imprisoned how many years to god the list is endless being mentioned on here. So I beg to differ.

I was against the imprisonment of Pussy Riot, and I pointed out that said imprisonment was heavy handed. I stand by in my claim that if Russia would've had the most democratic election imaginable, Putin, with his 55%+ approval rating would've beaten Zyuganov, Prokhorov, Zhirinovsky, Mironov, or anyone else running against him. It's not like FDR was a possibility. Not sure what the fuck you mean by reporters found dead, erm, TG me I guess

There's a lot of things that Putin does wrong, but they don't come up on NSG. Beliebers are mentioned more often.

Because no one is really interested in the internal affairs of Russia unless it's about human rights abuses or is in mainstream media. It's not like people want to go into an in-depth about the fight against government corruption, the effects of Russia's economic growth on people or Russia's fairly non-existent environmental protection policies, especially with the wholesale logging of Siberian taiga forests.

Most people just don't give a fuck.

True, but it doesn't mean that I support Putin on those issues, or that I agree with Putin on everything except for the anti-LGBT stuff. And yet "Mike the so called Progressive", instead of debating, goes out of his way to portray me as "Putin's Poodle"

[Desp]

God... I just don't... are you... do you even know what godwin law is?

God... I just don't... are you... yes, yes I do.

Could be worse. Could be the Youtube Comments Section.

[Regnum Dominae]

Taking away official status doesn't ban it.

You missed the point entirely.
The point is that they are moving on the rights of Ethnic Russians.

No, they aren't. Ethnic Russians (and Russian-speaking Ukrainians) are still free to speak Russian.

Why else would Russia intervene?

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that removal of the co-official status of a minority language is grounds for invasion?

(Excluding the other obvious and far more interesting and truthful reasons)

Such as?

[Costa Fierro]

True, but it doesn't mean that I support Putin on those issues, or that I agree with Putin on everything except for the anti-LGBT stuff. And yet "Mike the so called Progressive", instead of debating, goes out of his way to portray me as "Putin's Poodle"

You do have a reputation for being the first person to defend Russia/Putin whenever there's a topic in which negative opinions about Russia/Putin are given.

[Geilinor]

Taking away official status doesn't ban it.

You missed the point entirely.
The point is that they are moving on the rights of Ethnic Russians. Why else would Russia intervene? (Excluding the other obvious and far more interested and truthful reasons)

The minority languages bill passed in 2012. Ethnic Russians could speak Russian freely before 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation_on_languages_in_Ukraine

[Guadalupador]

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

The EU isn't helping Either. Its been a few months now and nothing has been done by them.

I thought you quit.

[Regnum Dominae]

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

The EU isn't helping Either. Its been a few months now and nothing has been done by them.

That does nothing to change the fact that it was Russia who instigated the current situation in the Crimea to begin with.

[Warda]

Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Agreed. If Putin's invasion of Crimea doesn't scream "Sudetenland", I don't know what does.

Except the Crimea was part of the former USSR 20 years ago and on own its on had numerous "defection" protest?

[Jinwoy]

You missed the point entirely.
The point is that they are moving on the rights of Ethnic Russians. Why else would Russia intervene? (Excluding the other obvious and far more interested and truthful reasons)

The minority languages bill passed in 2012. Ethnic Russians could speak Russian freely before 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation_on_languages_in_Ukraine

Old Regime.