Ukrainian Crisis

by **Regnum Dominae** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:28 pm

Euloria wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
You read/watch a lot of Russian media?

RT is a largely state controlled news organization that was known for its bias before the crisis. It has really stepped up the rhetoric lately.

This. And anyone who still likes to claim that RT is unbiased should read this recent RT article:
http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/
and try and claim the same thing afterward. Seriously, the editorializing is so blatant that even Fox News would be ashamed.

by **Greed and Death** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:28 pm

Damn it EU you were supposed to be keeping Europe clear. Now we are going to have to nuke the whole continent for your mishandling of regional affairs.

by **Shofercia** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:29 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:When's that?

Well he does oppose the gay hate that Putin embraces, but it's nothing like the scapegoating a certain one testicle man did years ago with another group of people that were too few to defend themselves. And if you shall make that comparison, Goodwin shall be declared -even though that's not really a thing.

Also EG, that doesn't get talked a lot about on NSG. There's a lot of things that Putin does wrong, but they don't come up on NSG. Beliebers are mentioned more often.

by **Occupied Deutschland** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:29 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Except it didn't.
Edit: Without justification.

Your entire post:

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Not to mention the significant minority of Crimean tatars in the Crimea (and Russia itself, for that matter).

They despise Russia more than the government in Kiev could even hope to. Should the Russians come waltzing in, they'd more likely than not face an insurgency similar to that that occurred in Ichkeria/Chechnya.

Where's the justification? Oh, also this, [Crimean Tatars] despise Russia more than the government in Kiev could even hope to is highly Russophobic, since the Government in Kiev included Svoboda in the coalition. Would you like to continue embarrassing yourself? Stalin fucked them, why despise the rest of the country? I'm not a fan of Stalin, and I don't hate Russia.

I refer you to their leader.

Leaders of groups are generally good sources of information as to their general feelings on items.

The Crimean Tatars are no fans of Russia, do not want to be part of Russia and, if one reads an inch between the lines, despise Russia.

How, precisely, is me referencing an ethnic groups dislike for Russia Russophobic of ME again?
Especially when said dislike exists?

by **Euloria** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:29 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Euloria wrote:RT is a largely state controlled news organization that was known for its bias before the crisis. It has really stepped up the rhetoric lately.

This. And anyone who still likes to claim that RT is unbiased should read this recent RT article:
http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/
and try and claim the same thing afterward. Seriously, the editorializing is so blatant that even Fox News would be ashamed.

It was really bad when a RT news anchor basically exploded on camera defending Russia's position.

by **The Russian People** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:29 pm

''BBC: Live Coverage claims 'Ukraine's Customs Service is reporting a "gathering of military machines" in the Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions just across the Russian border, according to Evhen Perebyinis, a spokesman for the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. ''

by **Desp** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:29 pm

Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

by **Regnum Dominae** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:30 pm

Euloria wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:This. And anyone who still likes to claim that RT is unbiased should read this recent RT article:
http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/
and try and claim the same thing afterward. Seriously, the editorializing is so blatant that even Fox News would be ashamed.

It was really bad when a RT news anchor basically exploded on camera defending Russia's position.

Seriously?

by **Vitaphone Racing** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:30 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Euloria wrote:RT is a largely state controlled news organization that was known for its bias before the crisis. It has really stepped up the rhetoric lately.

This. And anyone who still likes to claim that RT is unbiased should read this recent RT article:
http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/
and try and claim the same thing afterward. Seriously, the editorializing is so blatant that even Fox News would be ashamed.

Although, Kerry was in fact stupid enough to say that.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:30 pm

Desp wrote:Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

You're not the first person to notice that.

by **Euloria** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:30 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Euloria wrote:It was really bad when a RT news anchor basically exploded on camera defending Russia's position.

Seriously?

Yup, I believe BBC has an article on it. It had Russian flags in the background stating "We don't leave our own behind" or something similar. I'll try to find the article.

by **Oaledonia** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Desp wrote:Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Godwin's law much?

by **Geilinor** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Desp wrote:Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Putin isn't "protecting Russian citizens", it's far worse. He's "protecting ethnic Russians", which is essentially Russia asserting sovereignty over non-citizens and non-residents.

by **The Soviet Republic of America** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Since there is really no way for me to win this ill just quit. We should be trying to prevent a conflict in Ukraine instead of threatening to declare war on each other... if that doesn't work... Call me when the new government of Ukraine gets overthrown by the same people who placed them in power.

by **Mike the Progressive** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Well he does oppose the gay hate that Putin embraces, but it's nothing like the scapegoating a certain one testicle man did years ago with another group of people that were too few to defend themselves. And if you shall make that comparison, Goodwin shall be declared -even though that's not really a thing.

Also EG, that doesn't get talked a lot about on NSG. There's a lot of things that Putin does wrong, but they don't come up on NSG. Beliebers are mentioned more often.

I recall everything from his questionable electoral victories to his loophole of a third term to reporters, who were being uber harsh, found dead to Pussy Riot being imprisoned how many years to god the list is endless being mentioned on here. So I beg to differ.

by **Jinwoy** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:31 pm

Desp wrote:Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Sudetenland has been mentioned so many times in this thread.

by **Geilinor** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:32 pm

The Soviet Republic of America wrote:Call me when the new government of Ukraine gets overthrown by the same people who placed them in power.

Parliaments do that all the time.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:32 pm

The Soviet Republic of America wrote:Since there is really no way for me to win this ill just quit. We should be trying to prevent a conflict in Ukraine instead of threatening to declare war on each other... if that doesn't work... Call me when the new government of Ukraine gets overthrown by the same people who placed them in power.

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

by **Mike the Progressive** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:32 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Desp wrote:Has anyone else noticed, although I myself will admit for possibly going out of context here, but Putin's excuse for 'protecting Russian citizens' in the Crimea region sounds an awful lot like Hitler's excuse for initially invading the portions of Czechoslovakia that were predominantly ethnic German in majority? And if I recall, things didn't go so well once he started to realize he wouldn't be overtly punished for it...

Godwin's law much?

God... I just don't... are you... do you even know what godwin law is?

by **UED** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:33 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Soviet Republic of America wrote:Since there is really no way for me to win this ill just quit. We should be trying to prevent a conflict in Ukraine instead of threatening to declare war on each other... if that doesn't work... Call me when the new government of Ukraine gets overthrown by the same people who placed them in power.

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

Yeah, I think it made it worse

by **Euloria** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:33 pm

Wasn't RT News in specific but still.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26411396

by **Srboslavija** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:33 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
Source?

http://nypost.com/2014/03/02/gunmen-sur ... in-crimea/
https://www.kyivpost.com/multimedia/pho ... 38231.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600

It is possible that the allegation of Russian soldiers threatening to murder Ukrainian soldiers' families if they don't surrender is false. But it is undeniable that Ukrainian military installations are being beseiged.

I've skimmed all three sources, where specifically does it say that they are "threatening to murder Ukranian soldiers' families' ?

Also, I like these gems from the KyivPost:

Pointing to the Russian soldiers around him, he added: “This isn’t occupation; this is a gift.”

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As he worked to keep the intensifying crowd calm and fresh Russian troops replaced those who had stood guard throughout the night, life went on as usual in the typically sleepy valley town of Perevalnoye.

Children laughed and played in the yards of nearby apartment complexes, old men ate sunflower seeds and chatted on benches, buses ran as usual and stores were open for business.

Vera Kanayeva, a Perevalnoye resident since 1953, said that not much had changed since the Russian troops had come to town.

“It was quiet here in the Soviet Union, and it’s quiet here now,” she said.

Invasion you say? @MikeTheProgressive

by **Oaledonia** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:34 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Godwin's law much?

God... I just don't... are you... do you even know what godwin law is?

God... I just don't... are you... yes, yes I do.

by **Seattile** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:34 pm

Natanian DRNR wrote:I cannot believe Russia invaded Ukraine! I hope this does not cause WWIII

Since Ukraine isn't a member of NATO or has any alliances with anyone (that I know of), I don't see this directly causing WWIII. Maybe a domino effect leading to WWIII (I doubt this though), but when it comes to Russia, I don't think any one knows what will happen.

by **Jinwoy** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:34 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Soviet Republic of America wrote:Since there is really no way for me to win this ill just quit. We should be trying to prevent a conflict in Ukraine instead of threatening to declare war on each other... if that doesn't work... Call me when the new government of Ukraine gets overthrown by the same people who placed them in power.

Then maybe Russia shouldn't have instigated the conflict by invading the Crimea to begin with, hmm?

They didn't have much of a choice, with the Ukraine moving on to them by banning minority languages and taking away the semi-autonomy status of Crimea against the wishes of the people living there...
Seriously, if Russia was the US, we would have seen a full scale invasion by now.

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