Ukrainian Crisis

[Mike the Progressive]

So that justifies invasion?

In America, you would replace a democratic government with dictatorship.
In Soviet Russia.......

Two wrongs do not make a right. It makes a tragedy.

[Geilinor]

So that justifies invasion?

Invasion?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/02/ukraine-warns-russia-crimea-war-live

[Mike the Progressive]

So that justifies invasion?

Invasion?

You know crossing into a country, whose borders were recognized two weeks ago, and annexing part of it?

[Shofercia]

Oh noes! The Russian GDP fell by 26.4 percent between 2008 and 2009. Then it rose by 64.8 percent between 2009 and 2012. There was a massive cry about how the Ossetian War is going to destroy Russia's GDP, blah, blah, blah.

Could you be less condescending please? At at least take this situation seriously?

I can. But when you're making a "Russia is paying for it by having a drop in their stock market of ten percent, watch out Russia" style of posts, I can't really take those posts seriously, especially since I've heard the same fearmongering during the Ossetian War. Been there, heard that, next!

Could you be less condescending please? At at least take this situation seriously?

Asking Shof to not be condescending is like asking a fish to not breath underwater. That's just how he operates.

I'm not condescending towards intelligent posts. But people who post solely to attack others are probably not very...

[Guadalupador]

So that justifies invasion?

Invasion?

You serious? What do you call having thousands of Russian Army soldiers going into the Crimea and occupying the peninsula, when it's obviously Ukrainian territory.

[Shofercia]

Asking Shof to not be condescending is like asking a fish to not breath underwater. That's just how he operates.

Being a teacher explains why people talk down to everyone and in a condescending manor. Do you understand?
#OneInAMillionReference

Who says that I'm a teacher? It's interesting though.

"Yo Russian, stock market of Russia is down 10 percent, watch out!"
"Oh noes! Been there, done that, here are a few facts, next post!"
"You're so condescending!"
"Being condescending is how he operates!"
"One in a million!"

[Mike the Progressive]

Invasion?

You serious? What do you call having thousands of Russian Army soldiers going into the Crimea and occupying the peninsula, when it's obviously Ukrainian territory.

A peacekeeping mission trying to stop gay insurgents from killing ethnic Russians?

[Wolfenium]

You serious? What do you call having thousands of Russian Army soldiers going into the Crimea and occupying the peninsula, when it's obviously Ukrainian territory.

A peacekeeping mission trying to stop gay insurgents from killing ethnic Russians?

Ninja'd

[Shofercia]

You serious? What do you call having thousands of Russian Army soldiers going into the Crimea and occupying the peninsula, when it's obviously Ukrainian territory.

A peacekeeping mission trying to stop gay insurgents from killing ethnic Russians?

Gay insurgents? WTF?! Do any of the posters here have any problems with Gays? I don't. Srbo doesn't. Da fuck?

[Srboslavija]

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

Now you don't know how a parliamentary system works? The Party of Regions lost members and no longer has the necessary support to maintain a government.

So why was Klitschko's party UDAR Party not included in the interim government coalition, even though Vitali and his people played a major part in the protests?

Take a look at his party's values with those who got the positions instead

[Occupied Deutschland]

Indeed.
And I didn't.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Russia-lovin', secure in the knowledge that I did not say what you assumed I said.

Love the country, be skeptical of the government, but you being a Russophobe probably wouldn't differentiate between the two. Anyways, since you're claiming that you didn't say that Tatar resistance would be semi-effective, what the fuck did you mean by this:

Russians would more likely than not face an insurgency similar to that that occurred in Ichkeria/Chechnya.

Insurgency similar to semi-effective insurgency, (Tatar,) implies that it's going to be similar to a semi-effective insurgency (Chechen). What else could you have meant? Or were you commenting on non semi-effective insurgencies, because Belieber style insurgents need their time too?

I told you already.
I was referencing the only other anti-Russian, Muslim resistance movement I could think of. It's a bad comparison, as I've already conceded, because a Tatar one wouldn't have mountains and shit to hide in, nor numbers and easy support, nor any other number of factors which contributed to the effectiveness of the Chechan insurgency.

I was comparing them solely based on their existence as anti-Russian movements.

I made no claim as to their effectiveness or ability to be carried out for an extended time or be successful.

You could at least try to read my posts rather than jump straight to the accusations of 'Russophobia'.
That's kind of the problem with Russian apologists, and it'd be a shame to see you take that same road.

[UED]

all hail Russia's annexation

[Mike the Progressive]

A peacekeeping mission trying to stop gay insurgents from killing ethnic Russians?

Gay insurgents? WTF?! Do any of the posters here have any problems with Gays? I don't. Srbo doesn't. Da fuck?

Read previous link I posted, bro.

[Costa Fierro]

I can. But when you're making a "Russia is paying for it by having a drop in their stock market of ten percent, watch out Russia" style of posts, I can't really take those posts seriously, especially since I've heard the same fearmongering during the Ossetian War. Been there, heard that, next!

And we're back to the days of "lol ur stupid".

[Guadalupador]

all hail Russia's annexation

#NewUSSR2014

[Estado Paulista]

I wonder how many times the words "Russophobe" and "Russophobia" appeared in this thread.

[The Soviet Republic of America]

Other than the fact that the U.S, NATO, and the EU have supported a coup in Ukraine, which is a blatant violation of international law.The Western government have us believe that “The United States and the European Union have embraced the revolution here as another flowering of democracy, a blow to authoritarianism and kleptocracy in the former Soviet space."

The forbidden truth is that the West has engineered, through a carefully staged covert operation, the formation of a proxy regime integrated by Neo-Nazis. Key organizations in the Ukraine including the Neo-Nazi party Svoboda were generously supported by Washington: “We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. … We will continue to promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”

The Western media has casually avoided to analyze the composition and ideological underpinnings of the government coalition. The word “Neo-Nazi” is a taboo. It has been excluded from the dictionary of mainstream media commentary. It will not appear in the pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post or The Independent. Journalists have been instructed not to use the term “Neo-Nazi” to designate Svoboda and the Right Sector.

Sorry about the long post... but really the US and other western countries are on the wrong side of this conflict. For once... Russia isn't really the bad guy in this. They're preventing further turmoil in Ukraine.

Got any sources to back that up? I'm serious, I am curious where you get these assertions.

If we must panic, we must panic with proper information.

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[Mike the Progressive]

I can. But when you're making a "Russia is paying for it by having a drop in their stock market of ten percent, watch out Russia" style of posts, I can't really take those posts seriously, especially since I've heard the same fearmongering during the Ossetian War. Been there, heard that, next!

And we're back to the days of "lol ur stupid".

At least he hasn't started quoting himself yet.

[Estruia]

Got any sources to back that up? I'm serious, I am curious where you get these assertions.

If we must panic, we must panic with proper information.

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Did you seriously use InfoWars as a source? See yourself out.

[Guadalupador]

Got any sources to back that up? I'm serious, I am curious where you get these assertions.

If we must panic, we must panic with proper information.

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The first source is Info Wars... well you just lost all credibility in my eyes. Congratulations!

[Farzland]

You guys know that if any one of the ex-soviet states was to merge with Russia, it would be Ukraine. that was pretty OT

[Bonadon]

Last thing Ukraine needs is Russian influence with their evil government. That's my 10 page argument in a sentence.

[Shofercia]

Love the country, be skeptical of the government, but you being a Russophobe probably wouldn't differentiate between the two. Anyways, since you're claiming that you didn't say that Tatar resistance would be semi-effective, what the fuck did you mean by this:

Russians would more likely than not face an insurgency similar to that that occurred in Ichkeria/Chechnya.

Insurgency similar to semi-effective insurgency, (Tatar,) implies that it's going to be similar to a semi-effective insurgency (Chechen). What else could you have meant? Or were you commenting on non semi-effective insurgencies, because Belieber style insurgents need their time too?

I told you already.
I was referencing the only other anti-Russian, Muslim resistance movement I could think of. It's a bad comparison, as I've already conceded, because a Tatar one wouldn't have mountains and shit to hide in, nor numbers and easy support, nor any other number of factors which contributed to the effectiveness of the Chechan insurgency.

I was comparing them solely based on their existence as anti-Russian movements.

I made no claim as to their effectiveness or ability to be carried out for an extended time or be successful.

You could at least try to read my posts rather than jump straight to the accusations of 'Russophobia'.
That's kind of the problem with Russian apologists, and it'd be a shame to see you take that same road.

When you talk about an insurgency, I presume that you're talking about at least a semi effective group. Can you name non semi-effective insurgents without resorting to Google? I know I cannot, aside from the Minervan Insurgency which is a joke, and your post sounded serious. But, from now on, when you say insurgency, I'll be sure to ask if you're talking about a semi-effective one, or one that I can simply ignore.

Additionally, the post that I accused of being Russophobic, was Russophobic, and even you admitted that said comparison was bad.

[UED]

Got any sources to back that up? I'm serious, I am curious where you get these assertions.

If we must panic, we must panic with proper information.

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"clicks link"
sees info wars
leaves

[Regnum Dominae]

Got any sources to back that up? I'm serious, I am curious where you get these assertions.

If we must panic, we must panic with proper information.

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That is literally a compendium of biased and shitty sources.