Ukrainian Crisis

[Geilinor]

What on earth are you on about? They haven't even whispered about postponing the elections, nor have they even tried to use the Russian occupation/invasion as a scapegoat. Where the fuck are you getting your information at? Seriously...

Also, source all of that. I want to see sources showing Ukrainian plans to postpone the elections, and using the Russian invasion as a way to retain power. Otherwise, you're just throwing out bullshit claims.

My bad, I acted on bad information about the postponed elections.
That being said - why on Earth would a government that is only a placeholder until elections already be in the midst of creating laws that further its agenda? They are using the situation to their advantage to further THEIR own ideology, rather than that of the Euromaiden supporters.
Don't believe me? Just look at their agenda again.

The Euromaidan supporters have already had their demands fulfilled. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution All they wanted was for Yanukovych to step down and for the old constitution to be restored.

[Estruia]

What on earth are you on about? They haven't even whispered about postponing the elections, nor have they even tried to use the Russian occupation/invasion as a scapegoat. Where the fuck are you getting your information at? Seriously...

Also, source all of that. I want to see sources showing Ukrainian plans to postpone the elections, and using the Russian invasion as a way to retain power. Otherwise, you're just throwing out bullshit claims.

My bad, I acted on bad information about the postponed elections.
That being said - why on Earth would a government that is only a placeholder until elections already be in the midst of creating laws that further its agenda? They are using the situation to their advantage to further THEIR own ideology, rather than that of the Euromaiden supporters.
Don't believe me? Just look at their agenda again.

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

[Jinwoy]

My bad, I acted on bad information about the postponed elections.
That being said - why on Earth would a government that is only a placeholder until elections already be in the midst of creating laws that further its agenda? They are using the situation to their advantage to further THEIR own ideology, rather than that of the Euromaiden supporters.
Don't believe me? Just look at their agenda again.

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

And you don't think that ultranationalism in the Ukraine should be stopped, then you are for all intents and purposes endorsing Ukrainian discrimination against everyone else.

[Oaledonia]

And the Russians being open about it is also important.

Hearing reports that Russians have been building naval bases in the area. Hope this guy can confirm.

That's cute.

But if you bothered to actually read the entire update, he says that they are in an area that was new to them.

[Srboslavija]

My bad, I acted on bad information about the postponed elections.
That being said - why on Earth would a government that is only a placeholder until elections already be in the midst of creating laws that further its agenda? They are using the situation to their advantage to further THEIR own ideology, rather than that of the Euromaiden supporters.
Don't believe me? Just look at their agenda again.

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

[Costa Fierro]

So why is he surprised that Russian APC's are flying Russian flags?

Plot twist: they are Ukrainians defecting.

Oh. Are there any pics?

[Occupied Deutschland]

...
That means that you now claim that you didn't say that Tatar resistance would be semi-effective.
[snip of irrelevance]

Indeed.
And I didn't.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Russia-lovin', secure in the knowledge that I did not say what you assumed I said.

[Shofercia]

"This is single Su-27. Russian fighter groups, erm, scram. Or not. Do what you want. Can't really do much about it, but can we not fire at each other?"
"Affirmative, we are not firing. Any sightseeing for us?"
"?!?!?!"
"What? We cannot fire at you and you cannot fire at us. We might as well see the sights. Any recommendations?"




Crimeans have autonomy. They're been quite adamant about that.

The Russian jets left, and never came back, so...

They're clearly scared of the tie-eater's hurricane of words

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The great irony here is that Yanukovich followed capitalist principles when he took the bailout loan from Russia, instead of the EU...

Eh, I doubt it'll escalate into full scare warfare. If there's going to be any fighting, it's probably going to be in Western Ukraine after the economy goes kaboomey.

Russia's economy is taking a big hit from this. Exchange rates are at an all time low and the stock market lost 10% of it's value overnight.

Oh noes! The Russian GDP fell by 26.4 percent between 2008 and 2009. Then it rose by 64.8 percent between 2009 and 2012. There was a massive cry about how the Ossetian War is going to destroy Russia's GDP, blah, blah, blah.

WATCH as the elections will continue to get postponed as they already have as the situation in Russia grows.

What makes you think the elections will be postponed? The Party of Regions has lost 77 MPs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#Yanukovych_impeachment If I was in Batkivshchyna or UDAR, I'd be confident about victory. They don't need to resort to authoritarianism.

Hatred for PR doesn't mean love for UDAR. Ukraine has third parties. You're too American

[Costa Fierro]

You mean the sources we're least likely to use?

It's not about you :/

I don't think most people with a knowledge of media sites would use those either. I certainly wouldn't.

[Estruia]

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

And you don't think that ultranationalism in the Ukraine should be stopped, then you are for all intents and purposes endorsing Ukrainian discrimination against everyone else.

When did I say I don't think it should be stopped? That's what elections are for, mate. Svoboda will not pull off a major win in the election, not when UDAR and Batkivshchyna offer a much more palatable agenda.

[Geilinor]

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

Now you don't know how a parliamentary system works? The Party of Regions lost members and no longer has the necessary support to maintain a government.

[Srboslavija]

It's not about you :/

I don't think most people with a knowledge of media sites would use those either. I certainly wouldn't.

And your ignorance on the situation is duly noted. Godspeed.

[Costa Fierro]

Oh noes! The Russian GDP fell by 26.4 percent between 2008 and 2009. Then it rose by 64.8 percent between 2009 and 2012. There was a massive cry about how the Ossetian War is going to destroy Russia's GDP, blah, blah, blah.

Could you be less condescending please? At at least take this situation seriously?

[Mike the Progressive]

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

So that justifies invasion?

[Estruia]

How surprising... A radical party is using power to further their political ideology.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east.

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

Now you're just being thick on purpose. There was a revolution, that cannot be changed. There is an interim Government in place to ensure there is still a Ukrainian state by the time the elections come around. The Interim Government will not be the same government in power after the elections. MP's will be replaced, and new Ministers will be appointed.

Are you even aware of what the situation truly is, or are you just pulling more stuff out of your ass?

[Geilinor]

I don't think most people with a knowledge of media sites would use those either. I certainly wouldn't.

And your ignorance on the situation is duly noted. Godspeed.

We're ignorant of the situation for not using RT, Fox News, HuffPo, and MSNBC? Shouldn't that make us the opposite of ignorant?

[Costa Fierro]

And your ignorance on the situation is duly noted. Godspeed.

I'm not ignorant. Just allergic to bullshit. Do please at least try to convince people to take you seriously.

[Jinwoy]

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

So that justifies invasion?

In America, you would replace a democratic government with dictatorship.
In Soviet Russia.......

[Estruia]

Oh noes! The Russian GDP fell by 26.4 percent between 2008 and 2009. Then it rose by 64.8 percent between 2009 and 2012. There was a massive cry about how the Ossetian War is going to destroy Russia's GDP, blah, blah, blah.

Could you be less condescending please? At at least take this situation seriously?

Asking Shof to not be condescending is like asking a fish to not breath underwater. That's just how he operates.

[Geilinor]

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

Are you even aware of what the situation truly is, or are you just pulling more stuff out of your ass?

Even more "impeachment? What impeachment? Yanukovych was violently kicked out of office!" from Srboslavija.

[Mike the Progressive]

Oh noes! The Russian GDP fell by 26.4 percent between 2008 and 2009. Then it rose by 64.8 percent between 2009 and 2012. There was a massive cry about how the Ossetian War is going to destroy Russia's GDP, blah, blah, blah.

Could you be less condescending please? At at least take this situation seriously?

Why would he? It's Ukraine. They aren't meant to decide things for themselves. For centuries Russia has exerted influence over them, which clearly gives them a right to do whatever they want to them for as long as they want.

[Srboslavija]

A radical party that crucially was not voted in by the people.

So that justifies invasion?

Invasion?

[Shofercia]

...
That means that you now claim that you didn't say that Tatar resistance would be semi-effective.
[snip of irrelevance]

Indeed.
And I didn't.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Russia-lovin', secure in the knowledge that I did not say what you assumed I said.

Love the country, be skeptical of the government, but you being a Russophobe probably wouldn't differentiate between the two. Anyways, since you're claiming that you didn't say that Tatar resistance would be semi-effective, what the fuck did you mean by this:

Russians would more likely than not face an insurgency similar to that that occurred in Ichkeria/Chechnya.

Insurgency similar to semi-effective insurgency, (Tatar,) implies that it's going to be similar to a semi-effective insurgency (Chechen). What else could you have meant? Or were you commenting on non semi-effective insurgencies, because Belieber style insurgents need their time too?

[Costa Fierro]

So that justifies invasion?

In America, you would replace a democratic government with dictatorship.
In Soviet Russia.......

Continues on as normal, whilst being labelled "progress". Brezhnev would be proud.

[Jinwoy]

Could you be less condescending please? At at least take this situation seriously?

Asking Shof to not be condescending is like asking a fish to not breath underwater. That's just how he operates.

Being a teacher explains why people talk down to everyone and in a condescending manor. Do you understand?
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