Ukrainian Crisis

[Mike the Progressive]

How many BBC articles have you read about the current Ukranian government having 5 active members of Svoboda - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatsenyuk_Government

You know that Svoboda, which among other radical stances include the removal of Crimea's autonomy.

oh right, these are the peaceful guys who helped remove Yanukovych, they are pro-EU heroes

Are you going to just keep repeating the same old, tired stories? Or are you going to actually contribute something?

If you keep repeating a lie, it's bound to become the truth. Just as Goebbels.

[Jinwoy]

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Once again, Groening has accurately depicted the future.

[Viritica]

Sarah Palin was right. Just putting this out there.

Sarah Palin is one of those people who are never right, even when they are.

Right. Uh huh. So even when she's right she's not. Liberal mentality.

[The Russian People]

"Simon Shuster, reporter in Crimea for TIME Tweets: Just spotted 3 APCs with Russian flags moving north from Sevastopol toward Simferopol. That's new. And then on his location: I'm heading south toward Sevastopol. Checkpoint of unarmed irregulars searching all cars, with a nice barrel fire going "

[Occupied Deutschland]

How many BBC articles have you read about the current Ukranian government having 5 active members of Svoboda - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatsenyuk_Government

You know that Svoboda, which among other radical stances include the removal of Crimea's autonomy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)#Stances

oh right, these are the peaceful guys who helped remove Yanukovych, they are pro-EU heroes

5 out of 20 positions. Call again if half or all of them are of that party

Hell, it's still mysterious how Svoboda's presence in the government justifies unilateral Russian opposition.

Okay, their platform calls for less Crimean autonomy. Okay, there's one notable incident of their leader speaking about Jews in a negative fashion.
Those are both Ukrainian political matters. Now, should Svoboda win massive representation and start a 'Kill all the _____' or 'oppress the ______' campaigns, Russia would have a point behind unilateral action and could likely garner an international authorization for UN action.
Since that hasn't happened, maybe Russia should fuck off?

[Connori Pilgrims]

Are you going to just keep repeating the same old, tired stories? Or are you going to actually contribute something?

He will continue to repeat until people learn to listen.
Its in one ear and out the other with Euromaiden supporters who don't seem to realise how bad the current government is compared to the previous administration.

Then get better spokespeople. Not obvious Russo-fanatics, Serb ultranationalists and Putin fanboys.

[Oaledonia]

https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440688430029488128

Damn. Well, hope it's nothing.

[Estruia]

Are you going to just keep repeating the same old, tired stories? Or are you going to actually contribute something?

He will continue to repeat until people learn to listen.
Its in one ear and out the other with Euromaiden supporters who don't seem to realise how bad the current government is compared to the previous administration.

You mean, the temporary Government? The one that will be holding elections in two months? Yes, it's so horrible that a vocal, radical party has TEMPORARY positions within the Government. They couldn't get this power before through elections, so I doubt they will be able to now, even if they were major power players in Euromaidan.

[Costa Fierro]

Eh, I doubt it'll escalate into full scare warfare. If there's going to be any fighting, it's probably going to be in Western Ukraine after the economy goes kaboomey.

Russia's economy is taking a big hit from this. Exchange rates are at an all time low and the stock market lost 10% of it's value overnight.

[Srboslavija]

CNN/BBC et al are more than willing to simplify it for the masses.

Do you even read their stories are you just pulling this out of your ass?

I do, but not for facts, rather to have an idea and be able to anticipate what people like you will be thinking.

I've also been following RT, Fox News, RadioFreeEurope, HuffPost, MSNBC, some Australian news sites and random sites that come up on Google news. In some way it becomes interesting when one incident gets translated into several different meanings, depending on the source.

[Costa Fierro]

https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440688430029488128

Damn. Well, hope it's nothing.

I wonder if someone should tell him that Russian Naval Infantry have been moving around the area for a good few days now.

[Geilinor]

Do you even read their stories are you just pulling this out of your ass?

I've also been following RT, Fox News, HuffPost, MSNBC

You mean the sources we're least likely to use?

[Jinwoy]

He will continue to repeat until people learn to listen.
Its in one ear and out the other with Euromaiden supporters who don't seem to realise how bad the current government is compared to the previous administration.

You mean, the temporary Government? The one that will be holding elections in two months? Yes, it's so horrible that a vocal, radical party has TEMPORARY positions within the Government. They couldn't get this power before through elections, so I doubt they will be able to now, even if they were major power players in Euromaidan.

WATCH as the elections will continue to get postponed as they already have as the situation in Russia grows.
They are using the situation with Russia as a scapegoat to try and remain in power. That isn't a bit of a stretch, considering that this was a MINORITY party that was first past the post for power in a power vacuum and already has an agenda planned for the future.

[Oaledonia]

https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440688430029488128

Damn. Well, hope it's nothing.

I wonder if someone should tell him that Russian Naval Infantry have been moving around the area for a good few days now.

He's a TIME reporter to Russia, he's been there for a week.

[Srboslavija]

How many BBC articles have you read about the current Ukranian government having 5 active members of Svoboda - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatsenyuk_Government

You know that Svoboda, which among other radical stances include the removal of Crimea's autonomy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)#Stances

oh right, these are the peaceful guys who helped remove Yanukovych, they are pro-EU heroes

This is a temporary government, wait for the election in 2 months and we'll see what the voters decide.

First move of the temporary government was to remove the equal representation of minority languages in Ukraine. A symbolic move, but it made their intentions clear.

Yes, out of all the corruption and violence as a result of the protests - it was the Russian language which was a priority for the new government.

[Greed and Death]

I wonder if someone should tell him that Russian Naval Infantry have been moving around the area for a good few days now.

He's a TIME reporter to Russia, he's been there for a week.

And the Russians being open about it is also important.

[Srboslavija]

I've also been following RT, Fox News, HuffPost, MSNBC

You mean the sources we're least likely to use?

It's not about you :/

[Costa Fierro]

I wonder if someone should tell him that Russian Naval Infantry have been moving around the area for a good few days now.

He's a TIME reporter to Russia, he's been there for a week.

So why is he surprised that Russian APC's are flying Russian flags?

[Geilinor]

You mean, the temporary Government? The one that will be holding elections in two months? Yes, it's so horrible that a vocal, radical party has TEMPORARY positions within the Government. They couldn't get this power before through elections, so I doubt they will be able to now, even if they were major power players in Euromaidan.

WATCH as the elections will continue to get postponed as they already have as the situation in Russia grows.

What makes you think the elections will be postponed? The Party of Regions has lost 77 MPs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#Yanukovych_impeachment If I was in Batkivshchyna or UDAR, I'd be confident about victory. They don't need to resort to authoritarianism.

[Jinwoy]

He's a TIME reporter to Russia, he's been there for a week.

So why is he surprised that Russian APC's are flying Russian flags?

Plot twist: they are Ukrainians defecting.

[Srboslavija]

He's a TIME reporter to Russia, he's been there for a week.

And the Russians being open about it is also important.

Hearing reports that Russians have been building naval bases in the area. Hope this guy can confirm.

[Estruia]

You mean, the temporary Government? The one that will be holding elections in two months? Yes, it's so horrible that a vocal, radical party has TEMPORARY positions within the Government. They couldn't get this power before through elections, so I doubt they will be able to now, even if they were major power players in Euromaidan.

WATCH as the elections will continue to get postponed as they already have as the situation in Russia grows.
They are using the situation with Russia as a scapegoat to try and remain in power. That isn't a bit of a stretch, considering that this was a MINORITY party that was first past the post for power in a power vacuum and already has an agenda planned for the future.

What on earth are you on about? They haven't even whispered about postponing the elections, nor have they even tried to use the Russian occupation/invasion as a scapegoat. Where the fuck are you getting your information at? Seriously...

Also, source all of that. I want to see sources showing Ukrainian plans to postpone the elections, and using the Russian invasion as a way to retain power. Otherwise, you're just throwing out bullshit claims.

[Geilinor]

WATCH as the elections will continue to get postponed as they already have as the situation in Russia grows.

What makes you think the elections will be postponed? The Party of Regions has lost 77 MPs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#Yanukovych_impeachment If I was in Batkivshchyna or UDAR, I'd be confident about victory. They don't need to resort to authoritarianism.

They have no reason to postpone the elections. The former opposition now commands the majority.

[Jinwoy]

WATCH as the elections will continue to get postponed as they already have as the situation in Russia grows.
They are using the situation with Russia as a scapegoat to try and remain in power. That isn't a bit of a stretch, considering that this was a MINORITY party that was first past the post for power in a power vacuum and already has an agenda planned for the future.

What on earth are you on about? They haven't even whispered about postponing the elections, nor have they even tried to use the Russian occupation/invasion as a scapegoat. Where the fuck are you getting your information at? Seriously...

Also, source all of that. I want to see sources showing Ukrainian plans to postpone the elections, and using the Russian invasion as a way to retain power. Otherwise, you're just throwing out bullshit claims.

My bad, I acted on bad information about the postponed elections.
That being said - why on Earth would a government that is only a placeholder until elections already be in the midst of creating laws that further its agenda? They are using the situation to their advantage to further THEIR own ideology, rather than that of the Euromaiden supporters.
Don't believe me? Just look at their agenda again.

[Estruia]

What makes you think the elections will be postponed? The Party of Regions has lost 77 MPs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#Yanukovych_impeachment If I was in Batkivshchyna or UDAR, I'd be confident about victory. They don't need to resort to authoritarianism.

They have no reason to postpone the elections. The former opposition now commands the majority.

But that wouldn't line up with the Russian propagandist views that the Ukrainian Government are a bunch of fascist thugs out to destroy Democracy. Why win by election when you can win by oppressing the people and using military force to stay in power?