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Al-Orthodoxia
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Postby Al-Orthodoxia » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:52 am

Welp, this is it then. Crimea becomes Russian and EU+other western powers just nod and walk away.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:54 am

Al-Orthodoxia wrote:Welp, this is it then. Crimea becomes Russian and EU+other western powers just nod and walk away.


I'd give it maybe about 6 months and then we will have a new reset and everyone will recognize that Crimea is part of mother Russia.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:55 am

Al-Orthodoxia wrote:Welp, this is it then. Crimea becomes Russian and EU+other western powers just nod and walk away.


As always. Sometimes I wish McCain had won back in '08.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:56 am

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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:58 am

Estado Paulista wrote:
Al-Orthodoxia wrote:Welp, this is it then. Crimea becomes Russian and EU+other western powers just nod and walk away.


As always. Sometimes I wish McCain had won back in '08.


You got to be kidding. And why are there some people from foreign nations wanting to get the US involved in a major war. :o
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Postby Soviet Russia Republic » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:01 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Al-Orthodoxia wrote:Welp, this is it then. Crimea becomes Russian and EU+other western powers just nod and walk away.


As always. Sometimes I wish McCain had won back in '08.


Me too, he's highly amusing. :lol:
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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:03 pm

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So they get the Russian tourists. By the way, I was thinking of new industries. Also, ship building. Things like that.

Right after they pay the Ukrainians for their water. Oh, and electricity.


The Russians can connect the Crimea to Russian water and electric. After all, Russia is next to Crimea.

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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:11 pm

Al-Orthodoxia wrote:Welp, this is it then. Crimea becomes Russian and EU+other western powers just nod and walk away.

That would be sensible.
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Postby Beta Test » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:13 pm

Well this is bullshit.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:15 pm

Beta Test wrote:Well this is bullshit.

No, this is democracy Putin-style.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:15 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Well this is bullshit.

No, this is democracy Putin-style.

So it's manboobed bullshit.
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Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Alyska » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:20 pm

Well, this obviosly shows that Putin can't manage an election. If this had been in North Korea, the Yes vote would have been more like 99.93%.
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Postby New Sivonia » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:20 pm

Well, when we thought the Cold War was over, another one's just begun.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:22 pm

Arglorand wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:No, this is democracy Putin-style.

So it's manboobed bullshit.

It self determination, anyway on a rational note...
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:23 pm

here's a list of the ballots in the referendum that i actually consider worth reading (especially if you know russian or ukrainian)
"Freedom or Death."
"Glory to Ukraine, Glory to its Heroes."
"Glory to Ukraine, Taurida - Forward!"
"Neither. Glory to Ukraine!"
"Glory to Ukraine! Crimea is Ukraine!"

and my personal favourite

"Dutin is a pick"
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:27 pm

The Russian govt. has said they have no intentions on Eastern Ukraine with its Russian population. So it seems they were just interested in Crimea which was once part of Russia.

Of course, without the one million Russian Ukrainian voters, Pro-Russians candidates for the Ukraine Presidency will have a much harder time getting elected. It seems the Crimea Russian vote is essential to any Pro-Russian candidate running for the Presidency of Ukraine.
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Novo Portugal
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Postby Novo Portugal » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:29 pm

My Question here is... What's the prob?
It was democratic.
Crimea has been Russian until fifty years ago.
More than half voted and more than half are Russians so it should be Russia.
A census wouldn't have happen if Russia pacifically waited.
No one died.
EU has a douchebag policy when it comes to secessionist wishes.
I know you guys hate Putin but really... what's the problem?
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Postby Alyska » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:30 pm

Arglorand wrote:here's a list of the ballots in the referendum that i actually consider worth reading (especially if you know russian or ukrainian)
"Freedom or Death."
"Glory to Ukraine, Glory to its Heroes."
"Glory to Ukraine, Taurida - Forward!"
"Neither. Glory to Ukraine!"
"Glory to Ukraine! Crimea is Ukraine!"

and my personal favourite

"Dutin is a pick"


A translation would be appreciated by the non-Russian speakers among us. :idea:
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:30 pm

Rio Cana wrote:The Russian govt. has said they have no intentions on Eastern Ukraine with its Russian population. So it seems they were just interested in Crimea which was once part of Russia.

Of course, without the one million Russian Ukrainian voters, Pro-Russians candidates for the Ukraine Presidency will have a much harder time getting elected. It seems the Crimea Russian vote is essential to any Pro-Russian candidate running for the Presidency of Ukraine.


Yep, this will push the rest of Ukraine more towards the West.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:32 pm

Novo Portugal wrote:My Question here is... What's the prob?
It was democratic.

You really think so?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:32 pm

Novo Portugal wrote:My Question here is... What's the prob?
It was democratic.
Crimea has been Russian until fifty years ago.
More than half voted and more than half are Russians so it should be Russia.
A census wouldn't have happen if Russia pacifically waited.
No one died.
EU has a douchebag policy when it comes to secessionist wishes.
I know you guys hate Putin but really... what's the problem?

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:32 pm

Novo Portugal wrote:My Question here is... What's the prob?
It was democratic.

No. There is absolutely no reason to believe it was. Why do you even remotely imagine that a referendum held under rifles was democratic?
Novo Portugal wrote:Crimea has been Russian until fifty years ago.

No.
Novo Portugal wrote:More than half voted and more than half are Russians so it should be Russia.

Not sure what ethnic Russians have to do even remotely with it being supposed to be Russia.
Novo Portugal wrote:A census wouldn't have happen if Russia pacifically waited.

What
Novo Portugal wrote:No one died.

So?
Novo Portugal wrote:EU has a douchebag policy when it comes to secessionist wishes.

So?
Novo Portugal wrote:I know you guys hate Putin but really... what's the problem?

Idunno, maybe the fact that an invasion force has gone into a region that belongs to Ukraine, occupied it, held a referendum about as shady as the fucking Fight Club, and is about to annex it.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:32 pm

Alyska wrote:
Arglorand wrote:here's a list of the ballots in the referendum that i actually consider worth reading (especially if you know russian or ukrainian)
"Freedom or Death."
"Glory to Ukraine, Glory to its Heroes."
"Glory to Ukraine, Taurida - Forward!"
"Neither. Glory to Ukraine!"
"Glory to Ukraine! Crimea is Ukraine!"

and my personal favourite

"Dutin is a pick"


A translation would be appreciated by the non-Russian speakers among us. :idea:

They're provided. The links are the translations. :P
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby Novo Portugal » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:32 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Novo Portugal wrote:My Question here is... What's the prob?
It was democratic.

You really think so?

I do.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:33 pm

Novo Portugal wrote:My Question here is... What's the prob?
It was democratic.
Crimea has been Russian until fifty years ago.
More than half voted and more than half are Russians so it should be Russia.
A census wouldn't have happen if Russia pacifically waited.
No one died.
EU has a douchebag policy when it comes to secessionist wishes.
I know you guys hate Putin but really... what's the problem?

It was a rigged election. No legitimate referendum passes with 93% of the vote.
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