Ukrainian Crisis

[Arglorand]

Counter-source on the Crimean Tatars actually voting thing.

Mejlis confirmed it's bullshit.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Skilled labour is already leaving Ukraine for Western Europe. If the Baltics are anything to go by, improved economic conditions would make /less/ of it leave.

The Baltics would rather be an exception. Bulgaria is culturally very close to Ukraine, so it would be a better example. People here not only didn't improve things; they just said "fuck it" and left forever. The same would certainly happen to Ukraine.

And fuck his country's interests if they coincide with the interests of a smaller, entirely innocent country. Fuck American interests, if they violate the desires of a sovereign people. Big countries have no right to drive all over smaller ones for the lols, be they the US, Russia, China, or the Turian fucking Hierarchy.

It's always someone's interests coinciding with someone else's interests. Ukraine failed at defending theirs, put a grossly incompetent mob-elected government in power and gave enough ammunition to Russia with its inclusion of Svoboda and Right Sector officials in institutions. Now they're just paying the price for not thinking two moves ahead.

lol RIA novosti

such legitimacy
much source wow

Better source than memes for sure I just add it because much of this info isn't present in either the BBC or Reuters.

[Gravlen]

Tbh, it's kinda hilarious to watch just to count how many times they say the words "fascist", "neo-Nazi" or "Bandera" per minute.

And if you think RT has gone insane, Pravda is absolutely beyond comprehension at this point.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal ... iot_gas-0/
"Putin has been fighting the criminal Jewish oligarchs and slowly dismantling their corruption and hold on power; but this is not an over-night fix"

another one:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... germany-0/

Then again, people writing opinion pieces says the strangest things all the time. It's more interesting to see how Pravda frames facts.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

The focus on the "jewish" part by Pravda is... odd.

It's stupid but typical of the nationalists, like their counter parts in Ukraine and other countries.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Because there's this unfortunate thing that's called having to work on problems. Ukraine can fix its problems. As can Russia. As can even freaking North Korea. But there's a certain long hard road that awaits.

And I, personally, like the Ukrainian people enough to think they deserve at least us letting them fix their problems instead of sighing deeply and resigning them to an angry shirtless third-world dictator of small stature with sagging manboobs in a first-world country because he decided that he has some sort of inherent right to "a sphere of influence" and "defending his interests", imperialist 19th century rhetoric that it is.

The Ukranian people are not a single entity. I'm pretty sure a lot of them don't want to get into the EU, and rightly so. It would be a catastrophe for both the Union and Ukraine - billions of EU taxpayer money going missing in one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and millions of skilled labour leaving Ukraine for Western Europe. It has "disaster" written all over it.

As for Putin, he's just defending the interests of his country. Like Obama tried (and failed) to do so in the Middle East, and Europe in Libya. But I don't see the "19th century rhetoric" being applied to them, eh ?

But here's the catch. "EU taxpayer money" cannot go missing - it's carefully monitored. This is why newer members of the EU contribute more money than they receive - because of corruption: EU money cannot be used to pay bribes and such, unlike that from their respective state budgets, so the politicians don't even bother trying to put to use the money that is made available to them by the EU.

[Esperantujo 2]

The people of Crimea have the right to self-determination, but this referendum is flawed by intimidation. There should be a referendum with the option of Crimean independence included. The concerns of Tatars and Ukrainians in Crimea need to be addressed.
On the other hand, if the present Crimean government can't be trusted to hold a fair referendum, can the present Ukrainian government a coalition of right-wing and extreme right-wing parties, be trusted to hold fair elections? From Odessa to Kharkov the people of much of Ukraine are bilingual. I hope they will resist the attempts by the two gangs of oligarchs to divide them. Away with today's Wrangels and Banderas! For unity of Ukrainian workers and peasants! No discrimination between Russian and Ukrainian speakers! Honour the two martyrs of Kharkov! Expropriate the kleptocrats! For a democratic socialist Ukraine!

[Al-Orthodoxia]

The people of Crimea have the right to self-determination, but this referendum is flawed by intimidation. There should be a referendum with the option of Crimean independence included. The concerns of Tatars and Ukrainians in Crimea need to be addressed.
On the other hand, if the present Crimean government can't be trusted to hold a fair referendum, can the present Ukrainian government a coalition of right-wing and extreme right-wing parties, be trusted to hold fair elections? From Odessa to Kharkov the people of much of Ukraine are bilingual. I hope they will resist the attempts by the two gangs of oligarchs to divide them. Away with today's Wrangels and Banderas! For unity of Ukrainian workers and peasants! No discrimination between Russian and Ukrainian speakers! Honour the two martyrs of Kharkov! Expropriate the kleptocrats! For a democratic socialist Ukraine!

Are you even Ukrainian?

[Esperantujo 2]

The people of Crimea have the right to self-determination, but this referendum is flawed by intimidation. There should be a referendum with the option of Crimean independence included. The concerns of Tatars and Ukrainians in Crimea need to be addressed.
On the other hand, if the present Crimean government can't be trusted to hold a fair referendum, can the present Ukrainian government a coalition of right-wing and extreme right-wing parties, be trusted to hold fair elections? From Odessa to Kharkov the people of much of Ukraine are bilingual. I hope they will resist the attempts by the two gangs of oligarchs to divide them. Away with today's Wrangels and Banderas! For unity of Ukrainian workers and peasants! No discrimination between Russian and Ukrainian speakers! Honour the two martyrs of Kharkov! Expropriate the kleptocrats! For a democratic socialist Ukraine!

Are you even Ukrainian?

I'm not Ukrainian. I've never been to the country and I know only one Ukrainian. However, I'm a human inhabitant of Earth and I don't want to see a nation of my fellow earthlings destroying itself.

[Al-Orthodoxia]

Are you even Ukrainian?

I'm not Ukrainian. I've never been to the country and I know only one Ukrainian. However, I'm a human inhabitant of Earth and I don't want to see a nation of my fellow earthlings destroying itself.

Get used to it. It's all I can say.

People tend to hate each other more b/c of cultural heritage than love each other because we're all human. As harsh as it sounds, it's the truth.

[Greed and Death]

So on a 1 to " I am not a crook" how bogus was the referendum ?

[Rio Cana]

Voting in the referendum is suppose to end in 45 minutes. So does anyone have an idea of the vote.

[The new united britsh empire]

[Parti Ouvrier]

The people of Crimea have the right to self-determination, but this referendum is flawed by intimidation. There should be a referendum with the option of Crimean independence included. The concerns of Tatars and Ukrainians in Crimea need to be addressed.
On the other hand, if the present Crimean government can't be trusted to hold a fair referendum, can the present Ukrainian government a coalition of right-wing and extreme right-wing parties, be trusted to hold fair elections? From Odessa to Kharkov the people of much of Ukraine are bilingual. I hope they will resist the attempts by the two gangs of oligarchs to divide them. Away with today's Wrangels and Banderas! For unity of Ukrainian workers and peasants! No discrimination between Russian and Ukrainian speakers! Honour the two martyrs of Kharkov! Expropriate the kleptocrats! For a democratic socialist Ukraine!

Are you even Ukrainian?

Who knows? But he sounds like a fourth internationalist or Ortho-Trotskyist. Anyway, I'm not sure if Crimea has the option or not to go independent, (from both Ukraine and Russia)? If they do, as Esperan suggests, they should go for full Crimean independence and recognise the rights of the Tatars.

[Al-Orthodoxia]

Are you even Ukrainian?

Who knows? But he sounds like a fourth internationalist or Ortho-Trotskyist. Anyway, I'm not sure if Crimea has the option or not to go independent, (from both Ukraine and Russia)? If they do, as Esperan suggests, they should go for full Crimean independence and recognise the rights of the Tatars.

As far as I know there are only two options;

1) Be a part of the Russian Federation
2) Restore the 1992 constitution (and be de facto independent of Ukraine?). Not sure about the thing in the bracklets.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Voting in the referendum is suppose to end in 45 minutes. So does anyone have an idea of the vote.

Its already de-facto part of Russia I think, (vote to be part of Russia).

[European Socialist Republic]

So on a 1 to " I am not a crook" how bogus was the referendum ?

"I'm not a crook" + "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

[Al-Orthodoxia]

Voting in the referendum is suppose to end in 45 minutes. So does anyone have an idea of the vote.

Its already de-facto part of Russia I think, (vote to be part of Russia).

As long as there are Russian soldiers on Crimean soil, I suppose so.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So on a 1 to " I am not a crook" how bogus was the referendum ?

Bogus level: Russian

Photo courtesy of 2011 Russian Parliamentary elections

[Baltenstein]

The Guardian has some intense footage of Tatar journalists, who are filming inside an Ukrainian military base while it is being taken over by pro-Russian forces.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The Guardian has some intense footage of Tatar journalists, who are filming inside an Ukrainian military base while it is being taken over by pro-Russian forces.

Rabid fucking dogs.

[Arglorand]

The Guardian has some intense footage of Tatar journalists, who are filming inside an Ukrainian military base while it is being taken over by pro-Russian forces.

Rabid fucking dogs.

Amen.

[Alyska]

Are you implying that there is such a thing as an overnight fix for criminal Jewish oligarchs? Because if so I want to hear you.

The focus on the "jewish" part by Pravda is... odd.

Yeah. Call your opponents Fascists one minute, then accuse them of being part of a Jewish conspiracy the next. Basically, the Putin propaganda machine is just throwing all the shit it can think of at its opponents on the theory that some of it will stick. The inconsistency is so obvious that I'm surprised so many people are taken in by it, but I suppose being exposed only to pro-government Russian news sources results in a certain level of cognitive dissidence.

[Greed and Death]

So on a 1 to " I am not a crook" how bogus was the referendum ?

"I'm not a crook" + "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

That is pretty off the charts

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

In other news, the russian apologists have a new circlejerk going on for them.

EDIT: Some gems

Obligatory:

"Today - the Sea of Okhotsk. Tomorrow... THE WHOLE WORLD! MUAH-HA-HA!"

Re: Caligula's attack on Poseidon.

I feel the sovereignty of the local fish population must be recognised.

[Elemental North]

LOL, You mixed up Nixon with Clinton, but I have a strong feeling that this is going to turn into war, but then again, we (U.S) haven't been at war with Russia in ages! It's been a whole 30 years since the end of the Cold War, I'm sure it's high time we go at again with ol' Pooty Putin-for old times sake, at the very least. And hey, if we destroy a few innocent countries in the process-or the whole world-at least those of us that are left will have the memories...