Ukrainian Crisis

[Baltenstein]

Perhaps it is best the CIA should work on Russia now. The FBI should investigate more on Putin's political motives in the domestic scope and in the international scope.

I think that it could be a good first start to ban RussiaToday here in Europe (and the US) and to block the website. Then those spreading conspiracy theories mirroring Russian propaganda should be investigation: who funds them and why ?

Because emulating Russia by banning news sources is the way of freedom?

[Tyriece]

Putain escalated something that could have possibly solved itself, he is greedy and only cares about taking that part of Ukraine for economic reasons and probably take over the rest of Ukraine as well. I hope the Ukrainian people see how corrupt and messed up Russia is right now and choose the EU as there supporter.

[Regnum Dominae]

I think that it could be a good first start to ban RussiaToday here in Europe (and the US) and to block the website. Then those spreading conspiracy theories mirroring Russian propaganda should be investigation: who funds them and why ?

Tbh, it's kinda hilarious to watch just to count how many times they say the words "fascist", "neo-Nazi" or "Bandera" per minute.

And if you think RT has gone insane, Pravda is absolutely beyond comprehension at this point.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal ... iot_gas-0/
"Putin has been fighting the criminal Jewish oligarchs and slowly dismantling their corruption and hold on power; but this is not an over-night fix"

another one:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... germany-0/

[Free Tristania]

I think that it could be a good first start to ban RussiaToday here in Europe (and the US) and to block the website. Then those spreading conspiracy theories mirroring Russian propaganda should be investigation: who funds them and why ?

Because emulating Russia by banning news sources is the way of freedom?

In some cases it's better to block out enemy propaganda than to have yourselves by weakened by it.

[Baltenstein]

Putain escalated something that could have possibly solved itself, he is greedy and only cares about taking that part of Ukraine for economic reasons and probably take over the rest of Ukraine as well. I hope the Ukrainian people see how corrupt and messed up Russia is right now and choose the EU as there supporter.

However, there's also the issue of the EU choosing to support Ukraine.
Considering the shitload of money Ukraine would need to stabilize economically, and in a time when the EU is dictating austerity upon its periphery, there's still much disenchantment to come.

[Purpelia]

And if you think RT has gone insane, Pravda is absolutely beyond comprehension at this point.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal ... iot_gas-0/
"Putin has been fighting the criminal Jewish oligarchs and slowly dismantling their corruption and hold on power; but this is not an over-night fix"

Are you implying that there is such a thing as an overnight fix for criminal Jewish oligarchs? Because if so I want to hear you.

[Baltenstein]

Because emulating Russia by banning news sources is the way of freedom?

In some cases it's better to block out enemy propaganda than to have yourselves by weakened by it.

No, it's not. That's authoritarian thinking.

[Regnum Dominae]

And if you think RT has gone insane, Pravda is absolutely beyond comprehension at this point.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal ... iot_gas-0/
"Putin has been fighting the criminal Jewish oligarchs and slowly dismantling their corruption and hold on power; but this is not an over-night fix"

Are you implying that there is such a thing as an overnight fix for criminal Jewish oligarchs? Because if so I want to hear you.

The focus on the "jewish" part by Pravda is... odd.

[Baltenstein]

Are you implying that there is such a thing as an overnight fix for criminal Jewish oligarchs? Because if so I want to hear you.

The focus on the "jewish" part by Pravda is... odd.

When I read that the author's name is "Jim Jones" I went WTF!? for a second.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Putain escalated something that could have possibly solved itself, he is greedy and only cares about taking that part of Ukraine for economic reasons and probably take over the rest of Ukraine as well. I hope the Ukrainian people see how corrupt and messed up Russia is right now and choose the EU as there supporter.

Putin could have done a much smoother job and get Crimea without being a bull in a china shop. And I love your assumption that the EU is neither corrupt nor messed up.

[Arglorand]

Tbh, it's kinda hilarious to watch just to count how many times they say the words "fascist", "neo-Nazi" or "Bandera" per minute.

And if you think RT has gone insane, Pravda is absolutely beyond comprehension at this point.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal ... iot_gas-0/
"Putin has been fighting the criminal Jewish oligarchs and slowly dismantling their corruption and hold on power; but this is not an over-night fix"

What can I say. They're all Kike-Banderites down there in Kyiv, I swear.

[Purpelia]

Are you implying that there is such a thing as an overnight fix for criminal Jewish oligarchs? Because if so I want to hear you.

The focus on the "jewish" part by Pravda is... odd.

Not really. I mean if you look at the social and historical context of that entire region or hell most of Europe jews are the go to target for when you need to blame someone. So if some of those oligarchs happened to be jewish that's the kind of publishing gold an american newspaper would see in a hated american republican suddenly admitting he is a homosexual Mexican in disguise. It makes sense to emphasize it.

[Arglorand]

Putain escalated something that could have possibly solved itself, he is greedy and only cares about taking that part of Ukraine for economic reasons and probably take over the rest of Ukraine as well. I hope the Ukrainian people see how corrupt and messed up Russia is right now and choose the EU as there supporter.

Putin could have done a much smoother job and get Crimea without being a bull in a china shop. And I love your assumption that the EU is neither corrupt nor messed up.

Compared to every single country in the projected Eurasian Union, the EU is absolutely squeaky clean.

[Arglorand]

The focus on the "jewish" part by Pravda is... odd.

Not really. I mean if you look at the social and historical context of that entire region or hell most of Europe jews are the go to target for when you need to blame someone. So if some of those oligarchs happened to be jewish that's the kind of publishing gold an american newspaper would see in a hated american republican suddenly admitting he is a homosexual Mexican in disguise. It makes sense to emphasize it.

And also racist.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Putin could have done a much smoother job and get Crimea without being a bull in a china shop. And I love your assumption that the EU is neither corrupt nor messed up.

Compared to every single country in the projected Eurasian Union, the EU is absolutely squeaky clean.

Doubtful. Most of its newer members are horribly corrupt.

[Arglorand]

Compared to every single country in the projected Eurasian Union, the EU is absolutely squeaky clean.

Doubtful. Most of its newer members are horribly corrupt.

The redder a color, the more corruption

It's not doubtful at all, it's fact.

[Purpelia]

Not really. I mean if you look at the social and historical context of that entire region or hell most of Europe jews are the go to target for when you need to blame someone. So if some of those oligarchs happened to be jewish that's the kind of publishing gold an american newspaper would see in a hated american republican suddenly admitting he is a homosexual Mexican in disguise. It makes sense to emphasize it.

And also racist.

Well sure. But this is a world of capitalist democracy (even Putin's Russia is a capitalist democracy). And in a capitalist democracy all is fair as long as it sells.

[Baltenstein]

Compared to every single country in the projected Eurasian Union, the EU is absolutely squeaky clean.

Doubtful. Most of its newer members are horribly corrupt.

According to Transparency International, every single member of the Eurasian Union is more corrupt than every single member of the European Union.

[Arglorand]

And also racist.

Well sure. But this is a world of capitalist democracy (even Putin's Russia is a capitalist democracy). And in a capitalist democracy all is fair as long as it sells.

We're aware. Which is why we're calling the bullshit out, because racism doesn't sell to us.

[Purpelia]

Doubtful. Most of its newer members are horribly corrupt.

According to Transparency International, every single member of the Eurasian Union is more corrupt than every single member of the European Union.

And can we know this organization is unbiased?

Well sure. But this is a world of capitalist democracy (even Putin's Russia is a capitalist democracy). And in a capitalist democracy all is fair as long as it sells.

We're aware. Which is why we're calling the bullshit out, because racism doesn't sell to us.

I on the other hand chose not to call it such because racism does sell to a lot of people. And I don't like looking high and mighty by pointing out that I am that 1 in a million to which this does not apply..

[Bulgar Rouge]

Doubtful. Most of its newer members are horribly corrupt.

The redder a color, the more corruption

It's not doubtful at all, it's fact.

Ah, how I knew you'd direct me to the CPI. Too predictable ! Their methodology is somewhat dubious, especially the reliance on "analysts" who more often than not remain unaware of local corruption schemes; they just estimate a level of corruption and fail to go in depth.

But even if this is taken at face value, Ukraine wouldn't be a good addition to the EU itself.

[Arglorand]

The redder a color, the more corruption

It's not doubtful at all, it's fact.

Ah, how I knew you'd direct me to the CPI. Too predictable ! Their methodology is somewhat dubious, especially the reliance on "analysts" who more often than not remain unaware of local corruption schemes; they just estimate a level of corruption and fail to go in depth.

But even if this is taken at face value, Ukraine wouldn't be a good addition to the EU itself.

Because there's this unfortunate thing that's called having to work on problems. Ukraine can fix its problems. As can Russia. As can even freaking North Korea. But there's a certain long hard road that awaits.

And I, personally, like the Ukrainian people enough to think they deserve at least us letting them fix their problems instead of sighing deeply and resigning them to an angry shirtless third-world dictator of small stature with sagging manboobs in a first-world country because he decided that he has some sort of inherent right to "a sphere of influence" and "defending his interests", imperialist 19th century rhetoric that it is.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Ah, how I knew you'd direct me to the CPI. Too predictable ! Their methodology is somewhat dubious, especially the reliance on "analysts" who more often than not remain unaware of local corruption schemes; they just estimate a level of corruption and fail to go in depth.

But even if this is taken at face value, Ukraine wouldn't be a good addition to the EU itself.

Because there's this unfortunate thing that's called having to work on problems. Ukraine can fix its problems. As can Russia. As can even freaking North Korea. But there's a certain long hard road that awaits.

And I, personally, like the Ukrainian people enough to think they deserve at least us letting them fix their problems instead of sighing deeply and resigning them to an angry shirtless third-world dictator of small stature with sagging manboobs in a first-world country because he decided that he has some sort of inherent right to "a sphere of influence" and "defending his interests", imperialist 19th century rhetoric that it is.

The Ukranian people are not a single entity. I'm pretty sure a lot of them don't want to get into the EU, and rightly so. It would be a catastrophe for both the Union and Ukraine - billions of EU taxpayer money going missing in one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and millions of skilled labour leaving Ukraine for Western Europe. It has "disaster" written all over it.

As for Putin, he's just defending the interests of his country. Like Obama tried (and failed) to do so in the Middle East, and Europe in Libya. But I don't see the "19th century rhetoric" being applied to them, eh ?

[Bulgar Rouge]

Very high electoral activity reported in Tatar-majority areas. Referendum commission officials have also reported that Ukranian troops who wanted to vote in the referendum have not been allowed out of their barracks. (no English version of either for now)

[Arglorand]

Because there's this unfortunate thing that's called having to work on problems. Ukraine can fix its problems. As can Russia. As can even freaking North Korea. But there's a certain long hard road that awaits.

And I, personally, like the Ukrainian people enough to think they deserve at least us letting them fix their problems instead of sighing deeply and resigning them to an angry shirtless third-world dictator of small stature with sagging manboobs in a first-world country because he decided that he has some sort of inherent right to "a sphere of influence" and "defending his interests", imperialist 19th century rhetoric that it is.

The Ukranian people are not a single entity. I'm pretty sure a lot of them don't want to get into the EU, and rightly so. It would be a catastrophe for both the Union and Ukraine - billions of EU taxpayer money going missing in one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and millions of skilled labour leaving Ukraine for Western Europe. It has "disaster" written all over it.

As for Putin, he's just defending the interests of his country. Like Obama tried (and failed) to do so in the Middle East, and Europe in Libya. But I don't see the "19th century rhetoric" being applied to them, eh ?

Skilled labour is already leaving Ukraine for Western Europe. If the Baltics are anything to go by, improved economic conditions would make /less/ of it leave.

And fuck his country's interests if they coincide with the interests of a smaller, entirely innocent country. Fuck American interests, if they violate the desires of a sovereign people. Big countries have no right to drive all over smaller ones for the lols, be they the US, Russia, China, or the Turian fucking Hierarchy.

Very high electoral activity reported in Tatar-majority areas. Referendum commission officials have also reported that Ukranian troops who wanted to vote in the referendum have not been allowed out of their barracks. (no English version of either for now)

lol RIA novosti

such legitimacy
much source wow