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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:54 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Do you have a source for any of this conspiracy-theory bullshit?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRrn9UkpVZE

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

BNP?
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Postby Kyuji » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:54 pm

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Kyuji wrote:*sigh* your not getting my point , my point is that hated like this can be deep .

Oh, sure, it can be. In the case of irredentism, or a recent war. Here's the thing; it isn't.

Imagine tibet-china relations after tibets become independant
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:54 pm

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Kyuji wrote:Oke i looked it up your right they dont hate each other anymore ,after having been in a cycle of war that lasted over six hundred year!

As a former resident of both countries, besides some drunk rants, memorials, and some banter, nobody gives a shit anymore.

I'm pretty sure some people on the far-right do...
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:56 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Do you have a source for any of this conspiracy-theory bullshit?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRrn9UkpVZE

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

http://rt.com/op-edge/davos-western-eco ... istan-072/

Youtube is not a source.

The BNP is not a source.

Whoever wrote the RT article doesn't seem to understand basic economics.
European Socialist Republic wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:As a former resident of both countries, besides some drunk rants, memorials, and some banter, nobody gives a shit anymore.

I'm pretty sure some people on the far-right do...

We count the ones who started it as people, now?
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The New Lowlands wrote:Oh, sure, it can be. In the case of irredentism, or a recent war. Here's the thing; it isn't.

Imagine tibet-china relations after tibets become independant

As I understand it, most Tibetans don't exactly desire independence.
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Postby Miyager » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:57 pm

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The New Lowlands wrote:As a former resident of both countries, besides some drunk rants, memorials, and some banter, nobody gives a shit anymore.

*sigh* your not getting my point , my point is that hated like this can be deep .


But the hatred isn't fucking deep. It's literally not even there anymore.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:58 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:

Youtube is not a source.

The BNP is not a source.

Whoever wrote the RT article doesn't seem to understand basic economics.
European Socialist Republic wrote:I'm pretty sure some people on the far-right do...

We count the ones who started it as people, now?

They are humans, so yes, they are people.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:59 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Youtube is not a source.

The BNP is not a source.

Whoever wrote the RT article doesn't seem to understand basic economics.

We count the ones who started it as people, now?

They are humans, so yes, they are people.

Damn biological technicalities.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:59 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Jetan wrote:A damn shame, this.


I'm not opposed to nations uniting under a regional framework, either politically or economically, however the framework must be inherently strong willed. The EU attempts to foster democracy and liberalism, thus it is a supranational organization which is a threat to a strong government of the type needed to see humanity through the 21st century.


So you're saying that international cooperation is not necessary to ensure the future of humanity? Umm...have you ever read a book on the history of Europe?
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:01 pm

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Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
I'm not opposed to nations uniting under a regional framework, either politically or economically, however the framework must be inherently strong willed. The EU attempts to foster democracy and liberalism, thus it is a supranational organization which is a threat to a strong government of the type needed to see humanity through the 21st century.


So you're saying that international cooperation is not necessary to ensure the future of humanity? Umm...have you ever read a book on the history of Europe?

I think he would prefer a more fascist version of international cooperation.
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:02 pm

The BNP and the other nationalist groups in Europe are correct though, the EU is taking away the very concept of the modern nation-state through leftist elites allowing mass immigration and soviet style governance taking root everywhere.

The EU will have to dissolve soon, the alternative being total economic collapse and a possible communist coup.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:02 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote:
So you're saying that international cooperation is not necessary to ensure the future of humanity? Umm...have you ever read a book on the history of Europe?

I think he would prefer a more fascist version of international cooperation.

Nilfgaard wants to deport everyone into 1984-esque 'ideological zones.'
NorthEast Alliance wrote:The BNP and the other nationalist groups in Europe are correct though, the EU is taking away the very concept of the modern nation-state through leftist elites allowing mass immigration and soviet style governance taking root everywhere.

The EU will have to dissolve soon, the alternative being total economic collapse and a possible communist coup.

The BNP are something that we in the know call 'fucktarded.' Pretty much everything they say- especially about the EU and immigrants- is discounted by actual research.

And no, it really won't.
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Postby Miyager » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:03 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:The BNP and the other nationalist groups in Europe are correct though, the EU is taking away the very concept of the modern nation-state through leftist elites allowing mass immigration and soviet style governance taking root everywhere.

The EU will have to dissolve soon, the alternative being total economic collapse and a possible communist coup.


I may or may not have just had an aneurysm.
I'm back I think.

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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:06 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:The BNP and the other nationalist groups in Europe are correct though, the EU is taking away the very concept of the modern nation-state through leftist elites allowing mass immigration and soviet style governance taking root everywhere.

The EU will have to dissolve soon, the alternative being total economic collapse and a possible communist coup.

I would be in a Latin organization more than being part of the EU
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:07 pm

Jamjai wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:The BNP and the other nationalist groups in Europe are correct though, the EU is taking away the very concept of the modern nation-state through leftist elites allowing mass immigration and soviet style governance taking root everywhere.

The EU will have to dissolve soon, the alternative being total economic collapse and a possible communist coup.

I would be in a Latin organization more than being part of the EU

So you'd rather lose the Spanish economy's big prop?

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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:10 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Jamjai wrote:I would be in a Latin organization more than being part of the EU

So you'd rather lose the Spanish economy's big prop?

I don't care I'm not Spanish anyways
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:10 pm

Jamjai wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:So you'd rather lose the Spanish economy's big prop?

I don't care I'm not Spanish anyways

May I ask where you're from? The flag's a bit misleading.
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:11 pm

Miyager wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:The BNP and the other nationalist groups in Europe are correct though, the EU is taking away the very concept of the modern nation-state through leftist elites allowing mass immigration and soviet style governance taking root everywhere.

The EU will have to dissolve soon, the alternative being total economic collapse and a possible communist coup.


I may or may not have just had an aneurysm.


I take it you support the elites efforts for a Soviet style super state then?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:12 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
Miyager wrote:
I may or may not have just had an aneurysm.


I take it you support the elites efforts for a Soviet style super state then?

Any sources on the Sovietization of the EU? (Which aren't bullshit?)

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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:16 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:
I take it you support the elites efforts for a Soviet style super state then?

Any sources on the Sovietization of the EU? (Which aren't bullshit?)


Its leadership, mainly Barroso who is a communist. Nigel Farage revealed Barroso to be a communist back in his early days of politics. The EU just screams communism to me. I support the middle class, the families, the workers just everyday people. The EU policy is against all of that.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:17 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Any sources on the Sovietization of the EU? (Which aren't bullshit?)


Its leadership, mainly Barroso who is a communist. Nigel Farage revealed Barroso to be a communist back in his early days of politics. The EU just screams communism to me. I support the middle class, the families, the workers just everyday people. The EU policy is against all of that.

That's not a source, that's just a series of baseless accusations.

You're a communist!
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:23 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:
Its leadership, mainly Barroso who is a communist. Nigel Farage revealed Barroso to be a communist back in his early days of politics. The EU just screams communism to me. I support the middle class, the families, the workers just everyday people. The EU policy is against all of that.

That's not a source, that's just a series of baseless accusations.

You're a communist!



Nigel Farage is an honest man and a champion of British patriotism and liberty. He is fighting to get the UK out of the EU and his efforts are being opposed by a Marxist International Front. I am sure you want the mainstream media as a source but they won't report on it because it conflicts with their pan left worldview of forced multi culturism and state sponsored terror projects designed to end nation states around the world.


I am a communist :rofl: No I live reality!
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:30 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:That's not a source, that's just a series of baseless accusations.

You're a communist!



1) Nigel Farage is an honest man and a champion of British patriotism and liberty. He is fighting to get the UK out of the EU and his efforts are being opposed by a Marxist International Front. I am sure you want the mainstream media as a source but they won't report on it because it conflicts with their pan left worldview of forced multi culturism and state sponsored terror projects designed to end nation states around the world.


I am a communist :rofl: No I live reality!

Source?

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Postby Vetalia » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:39 pm

Miyager wrote:Because history matters so much when it comes to relationships between two nations.

Like France and Germany; oh wait.


70+ years is a lot different from the breakup of the USSR, which only happened 23 years ago. Even someone born in the last days of Stalin's rule are only 60 years old as of today.
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:40 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:

1) Nigel Farage is an honest man and a champion of British patriotism and liberty. He is fighting to get the UK out of the EU and his efforts are being opposed by a Marxist International Front. I am sure you want the mainstream media as a source but they won't report on it because it conflicts with their pan left worldview of forced multi culturism and state sponsored terror projects designed to end nation states around the world.


I am a communist :rofl: No I live reality!

Source?



http://www.rantonuk.org.uk/failed-policies-of-the-eu/
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Postby Volnotova » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:08 pm

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