Ukrainian Crisis

[Ruridova]

Faux News's titling seems to suggest that it finds the vote legitimate

A funny quote from the article:

"It's like they're crazy Texans in western Ukraine. Imagine if the Texans suddenly took over power (in Washington) and told everyone they should speak Texan," said Ilya Khlebanov, a voter in the Crimean capital of Simferopol.

Because Texans don't speak English as far as Ukrainians are concerned, apparently. What do we speak, then?

We speak the Texas dialect of southern, which actually requires translators for non native english speakers. My first after army gig was an 80k/year job in China Translating Bush for some guy named Hu Jintao.

Don't try to educate a Texan on Texas, GaD.

[Aterna]

No, the referendum is exactly why he was there. That is exactly what he wanted.

"pro-Ukrainian" voters have discouraged themselves from voting. Also, unless there is proof that an official russian soldier has threatened people residing in crimea, i will answer every post about "pro-russian forces making referendum illegitimate due to violence" with "euromaidaners are making all decisions by rada illegitimate by beating up a parlamentarian days before it impeached (by unconstitunional measures) president yanukovich"

They have not discouraged themselves. Half the ballots where counted-then Ta-da! Final results! They knew what the turnout would be-they knew there was no chance for victory.

It's common sense. If thousands of soldiers occupied the area where I lived, and then I have to vote on whether to (basically) remove them or let them stay, I might just stay home.

President Yanukovich stole from his country. He broke his constitution long ago. Also, he chose to leave. Don't forget, his police murders dozens of protesters-they where peaceful until they where treated like dogs.

[Draakonite]

"pro-Ukrainian" voters have discouraged themselves from voting. Also, unless there is proof that an official russian soldier has threatened people residing in crimea, i will answer every post about "pro-russian forces making referendum illegitimate due to violence" with "euromaidaners are making all decisions by rada illegitimate by beating up a parlamentarian days before it impeached (by unconstitunional measures) president yanukovich"

1) They have not discouraged themselves. Half the ballots where counted-then Ta-da! Final results! They knew what the turnout would be-they knew there was no chance for victory.

2) It's common sense. If thousands of soldiers occupied the area where I lived, and then I have to vote on whether to (basically) remove them or let them stay, I might just stay home.

3) President Yanukovich stole from his country. He broke his constitution long ago. Also, he chose to leave. Don't forget, his police murders dozens of protesters-they where peaceful until they where treated like dogs.

1) the "pro-western" tatars have said in advance they will boycott the referendum.
2) Just like protesters occupying defending the parlament during passing of legislation.
3) If only every parliament in the world would take a constitution breaking president as an example to do it themselves . And yeah, "peacefull" protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E18jWXbZY8U (look at the footage 1:00 onward... and ignore the conspiracy theorist speaking)

[Estruia]

1) They have not discouraged themselves. Half the ballots where counted-then Ta-da! Final results! They knew what the turnout would be-they knew there was no chance for victory.

2) It's common sense. If thousands of soldiers occupied the area where I lived, and then I have to vote on whether to (basically) remove them or let them stay, I might just stay home.

3) President Yanukovich stole from his country. He broke his constitution long ago. Also, he chose to leave. Don't forget, his police murders dozens of protesters-they where peaceful until they where treated like dogs.

1) the "pro-western" tatars have said in advance they will boycott the referendum.
2) Just like protesters occupying defending the parlament during passing of legislation.
3) If only every parliament in the world would take a constitution breaking president as an example to do it themselves . And yeah, "peacefull" protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E18jWXbZY8U (look at the footage 1:00 onward... and ignore the conspiracy theorist speaking)

So, the Crimean Tatars are the only ones in Crimea who don't want to join Russia? What a broad, and generalized statement.

[Draakonite]

1) the "pro-western" tatars have said in advance they will boycott the referendum.
2) Just like protesters occupying defending the parlament during passing of legislation.
3) If only every parliament in the world would take a constitution breaking president as an example to do it themselves . And yeah, "peacefull" protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E18jWXbZY8U (look at the footage 1:00 onward... and ignore the conspiracy theorist speaking)

So, the Crimean Tatars are the only ones in Crimea who don't want to join Russia? What a broad, and generalized statement.

I could imagine that anyone, who identifies himself with the current government in kiev, hadn't take part in the referendum. The tatars are only a bigger example of this.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So, the Crimean Tatars are the only ones in Crimea who don't want to join Russia? What a broad, and generalized statement.

I could imagine that anyone, who identifies himself with the current government in kiev, hadn't take part in the referendum. The tatars are only a bigger example of this.

So it's only the claimed turnout, and not the claimed vote breakdown, that is falsified.

That makes things much better. All my reservations and concerns may be considered put to rest!

[Palmyrene Empire]

http://news.yahoo.com/state-tv-says-rus ... 03397.html

Welp, more batshit insane blithering from the state media. Not doing much to help diffuse though if it does anything.

[Draakonite]

http://news.yahoo.com/state-tv-says-russia-could-turn-us-radioactive-212003397.html

Welp, more batshit insane blithering from the state media. Not doing much to help diffuse though if it does anything.

"Russia is the only country in the world realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash"

Well that is true... but why anybody should say this on russian state media is beyond me. I would think Putin would enjoy an international deescalation of the crisis (eg. everyone forgetting what happens there due to plane crash in asia), so this might be an example of free speech in russian state media, because why the hell should Putin order him to say something like this

[Wind in the Willows]

Obama, the hypocrite.

[Zebulor]

So the question is, how can there be a vote in the Crimea that is generally accepted? If the mere presence of troops, without evidence of them actually doing anything to influence the outcome, is enough to delegitimize the whole vote in the eyes of those who dislike the outcome, then why should the same not be said for Ukrainian authorities who would have been there had Putin not gone into the Crimea?

[Divair]

Meanwhile in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MzbmLN9nU

[Estruia]

Obama, the hypocrite.

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If I'm not mistaken, Russia was butthurt throughout the entire Libya crisis.

[Greed and Death]

In america, you vote for the government, in Soviet Russia Government votes for you.

[Jinos]

Obama, the hypocrite.

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-Obama didn't intervene in Libya. There was an international effort.

-Obama didn't INVADE Libya period. All actions were keeping the skies clear of Libyan fighters, with a few ground attacks.

-The intervention only occurred after the international community was asked to intervene.

-The international community was asked by the Libyan people who were being wantonly killed by a despotic government which they were trying to overthrow.

In the immortal words of Dunkey

"Not even close baby!"

[Jinos]

So the question is, how can there be a vote in the Crimea that is generally accepted? If the mere presence of troops, without evidence of them actually doing anything to influence the outcome, is enough to delegitimize the whole vote in the eyes of those who dislike the outcome, then why should the same not be said for Ukrainian authorities who would have been there had Putin not gone into the Crimea?

Firstly, a complete withdraw of all Russian troops from Ukrainian territory

Secondly, elections to replace the Ukrainian interim government

Thirdly, a minimum of 1 year needs to pass.

Fourthly, a plebiscite must be held (with Russian and UN observers) in Crimea with the question "Do you wish for Crimea to stay a part of Ukraine?"

This vote should be limited only to Crimean citizens with documentation proving they have lived in Crimea since before the protests in Kiev by at least 1 year (any citizens who were displaced by the Russian occupation and later returned to Crimea still count).

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Obama, the hypocrite.

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If I'm not mistaken, Russia was butthurt throughout the entire Libya crisis.

That it was, the Russian and Chinese leadership were foolish enough to think the intervention would be limited to a no fly zone. Hopefully such idiotic assumptions won't be made in the future.

[Occupied Deutschland]

If I'm not mistaken, Russia was butthurt throughout the entire Libya crisis.

That it was, the Russian and Chinese leadership were foolish enough to think the intervention would be limited to a no fly zone. Hopefully such idiotic assumptions won't be made in the future.

Are you suggesting that Russia and China are incapable of reading the items they vote for in the Security Council?

...to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.

If they were foolish enough to think that wasn't relevant, then Russia and China's UN reps. need an eye examination and an IQ test because they either can't read or they're idiots.

[United States of Devonta]

Okay, Crimea you had your little cute referendum, But now its time to go back to Ukraine.

[Frisivisia]

Obama, the hypocrite.

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The US came in with an announced exit strategy and under the pretense of peacekeeping, Russia refused to even say it was them. Not the same situation.

Ron Paul is a racist, sexist, classist asshole with shitty ideas and a dumb face.

[United Marxist Nations]

Okay, Crimea you had your little cute referendum, But now its time to go back to Ukraine.

Or, maybe its people would rather go back to Russia, where it was before.

[Estruia]

Okay, Crimea you had your little cute referendum, But now its time to go back to Ukraine.

Or, maybe its people the ethnic Russians would rather go back to Russia, where it was they were before.

Fixed that for you, Marxy!

[Greed and Death]

Obama, the hypocrite.

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Worth pointing out the bombing of Libya had UN approval.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

That it was, the Russian and Chinese leadership were foolish enough to think the intervention would be limited to a no fly zone. Hopefully such idiotic assumptions won't be made in the future.

Are you suggesting that Russia and China are incapable of reading the items they vote for in the Security Council?

No, I assume they were told behind doors that it would be limited to just no fly zone and as a I recall much of the public language leading up to that attack was limited in that sense. I'm was already aware of that particular line. Which as stated was an idiotic assumption by them, seeing how NATO leaders in the past have a poor track record when it comes to keeping past promises.

[Estruia]

Are you suggesting that Russia and China are incapable of reading the items they vote for in the Security Council?

No, I assume they were told behind doors that it would be limited to just no fly zone and as a I recall much of the public language leading up to that attack was limited in that sense. I'm was already aware of that particular line. Which as stated was an idiotic assumption by them, seeing how NATO leaders in the past have a poor track record when it comes to keeping past promises.

What information do you have that led you to believe Russia and China had been bamboozled over the Libya issue?

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Okay, Crimea you had your little cute referendum, But now its time to go back to Ukraine.

Well that's not going to happen.