School Cancels Christmas Charity

[Luveria]

Following the law is evil, guys.

yes, regardless of if it has any justifications or not.

Exactly. Anarchy is morality. No laws have any place in this world. Fuck laws against murder and rape. The state is wrong to make such laws restricting our freedom.

[Mavorpen]

The intent of the public school was not to favor one religion over another, either.

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

[Blahbania]

yes, regardless of if it has any justifications or not.

Exactly. Anarchy is morality. No laws have any place in this world. Fuck laws against murder and rape. The state is wrong to make such laws restricting our freedom.

In what way are we promoting anarchy
Especially since that's not even the subject.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The intent of the public school was not to favor one religion over another, either.

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

[Ifreann]

Because the intent wasn't to show favor of one religion over another.

The intent of the public school was not to favor one religion over another, either. It was to hold a charity for kids in need at Christmas time. The religious overtones exist, but the intent of the school was to help people in third world countries.

Supporting Christian evangelism doesn't become okay for a public school if they do it by accident.

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This thread is not about your fantasies of revolution.

Wet dreams of revolution would be a more accurate thing to say.

I thought "masturbatory" was implied.

[Blahbania]

The intent of the public school was not to favor one religion over another, either.

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

Ah, but they are not forcing children to convert.

[Timothia]

You're not flaming, I just want to keep it away from that. Feel free to cuss me out as much as you like and I'll chose not to. I didn't seek out "a case where this specific situation comes up", you sourced it. Remember?

No. I do not think you understood what I said if that's what you think just happened.

In the other case (which you conveniently ignored) the "overt religious symbols" were allowed to remain. Why?

Why what? What are you getting at? Why do you think that makes your case?

"When a non-Christian in America tries to insult a Christian, he fails miserably because the Christian was taught to be loving and tolerant to his enemies."

Seriously, we need the wood.

I could stay and keep nitpicking one another's posts, but I have been on here way to long as it is and I have things I need to do. I respect your position, even if I feel like you're wrong. God loves you, my friend, even if you don't see it. I hope that you have a great rest of the day. Goodbye!

[Mavorpen]

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

Ah, but they are not forcing children to convert.

That's...nice?

[Thanatttynia]

Wow. A new low, certainly. I have fundraised for this charity in the past, and despite it being a Catholic charity, it does not deny help to Africans that aren't Catholic, I see no problem in it, and I think the AHA is being unnecessary, and for want of a better word, mean. This charity is no different to any other charity raising money to send gifts to underprivileged children.

[Ifreann]

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

Ah, but they are not forcing children to convert.

Do you think that matters?

[Empire of Narnia]

Following the law is evil, guys.

yes, regardless of if it has any justifications or not.

Exactly. This is an unjust law and people should know to just ignore those derpy laws when they see them. Ever seen those lists of "weird laws" before? Hardly any of those are enforced, and neither should this be.

[Rapidblaze]

yes, regardless of if it has any justifications or not.

Exactly. Anarchy is morality. No laws have any place in this world. Fuck laws against murder and rape. The state is wrong to make such laws restricting our freedom.

sorry if i have made my sentence a little misleading, but i meant that no law comes without context, in this case the law against promoting religion in state schools and charity

yes, regardless of if it has any justifications or not.

Exactly. This is an unjust law and people should know to just ignore those derpy laws when they see them. Ever seen those lists of "weird laws" before? Hardly any of those are enforced, and neither should this be.

thank you

[Blahbania]

Ah, but they are not forcing children to convert.

That's...nice?

As long as they aren't forcing children to convert to their beliefs, this is perfectly legal.

[Mavorpen]

This charity is no different to any other charity raising money to send gifts to underprivileged children.

That's a lie and you fucking know it. The group's goal is to preach to children and convert them. That's NOT the same as simply gathering gifts and distributing them to underprivileged children.

[Mavorpen]

That's...nice?

As long as they aren't forcing children to convert to their beliefs, this is perfectly legal.

No, no it isn't.

Forcing children to participate in school prayers is illegal, you know.

[Ifreann]

Wow. A new low, certainly. I have fundraised for this charity in the past, and despite it being a Catholic charity, it does not deny help to Africans that aren't Catholic, I see no problem in it, and I think the AHA is being unnecessary, and for want of a better word, mean. This charity is no different to any other charity raising money to send gifts to underprivileged children.

Read the last post on the first page of this thread and then come back and try again.

[Luveria]

Exactly. Anarchy is morality. No laws have any place in this world. Fuck laws against murder and rape. The state is wrong to make such laws restricting our freedom.

In what way are we promoting anarchy
Especially since that's not even the subject.

Perhaps I should instead focus on how certain theocrats want the constitution abolished so they could have elected dictators without any limits on their power? Including the power to enforce state atheism since freedom of religion is no longer relevant due to the constitution having been suspended?

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

Wet dreams of revolution would be a more accurate thing to say.

I thought "masturbatory" was implied.

Not explicitly enough.

[Blahbania]

As long as they aren't forcing children to convert to their beliefs, this is perfectly legal.

No, no it isn't.

Forcing children to participate in school prayers is illegal, you know.

What does that have to do with the current subject

[Luveria]

Wow. A new low, certainly. I have fundraised for this charity in the past, and despite it being a Catholic charity, it does not deny help to Africans that aren't Catholic, I see no problem in it, and I think the AHA is being unnecessary, and for want of a better word, mean. This charity is no different to any other charity raising money to send gifts to underprivileged children.

That's a lie. Other charities aren't giving out toys as a tool to convert children.

[Ifreann]

That's...nice?

As long as they aren't forcing children to convert to their beliefs, this is perfectly legal.

No it isn't.

[Mavorpen]

No, no it isn't.

Forcing children to participate in school prayers is illegal, you know.

What does that have to do with the current subject

Please tell me you're joking.

You claimed that you can endorse a religion as long as you don't force the children to convert. Under this reasoning, forcing them to participate in school prayers would be legal as well since it doesn't force them to convert. Since we know that isn't true, you're fucking wrong that this is legal.

[Greed and Death]

What if they organization segregates the items ?
Those from schools and other government organizations will not be used for evangelism, you know like planned parenthood does with abortions and government funds.

when they do that we can discuss it.

it wouldn't be so much different than "faith based initiatives" then would it.

That would be a considerable investment for the organization, I think they deserve clear rules before hand.

[Czechanada]

Wow. A new low, certainly. I have fundraised for this charity in the past, and despite it being a Catholic charity, it does not deny help to Africans that aren't Catholic, I see no problem in it, and I think the AHA is being unnecessary, and for want of a better word, mean. This charity is no different to any other charity raising money to send gifts to underprivileged children.

That's a lie. Other charities aren't giving out toys as a tool to convert children.

And as a method of advertisement.

[Tel]

The intent of the public school was not to favor one religion over another, either.

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

You're eager. I like that.

You haven't answered my question from earlier.

[Mavorpen]

Which no one has argued. What HAS been argued is that the group responsible for conducting the charity has the explicit goal of converting children.

Anymore straw men for me?

You're eager. I like that.

You haven't answered my question from earlier.

...Who are you?