School Cancels Christmas Charity

[Ifreann]

And while the tales of your life are just riveting, they have no relevance to this situation in which the charity in question is absolutely trying to further their beliefs. The whole thing is an evangelist mission. They're doing this to spread the message of Jesus.

And while sarcastic attention is much appreciated, I didn't see where the organization spreads their beliefs (though I have been wrong before).

Last post on the first page, Ctoan explains it.

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And while the tales of your life are just riveting, they have no relevance to this situation in which the charity in question is absolutely trying to further their beliefs. The whole thing is an evangelist mission. They're doing this to spread the message of Jesus.

GOD FORBID! JESUS? NOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo

If the mission of Jesus is inspiring them to help little kids, why inhibit them?

Because it is illegal for the federal or state governments to promote one religion over another, or religion over non-religion. It is as illegal as infringing on people's right to bear arms.

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What about all the people who could benefit from quartering soldiers in people's houses in peace time?

That hasn't been an issue since 1866.

Way to miss the point.

[Blasveck]

Ehehe, and people tell me that the ebil relijuns are the root of all evil on the planet.

Ironic.

What irony?

What they're doing is unconstitutional. It's against the law.

[Mavorpen]

You're not flaming, I just want to keep it away from that. Feel free to cuss me out as much as you like and I'll chose not to. I didn't seek out "a case where this specific situation comes up", you sourced it. Remember? In the other case (which you conveniently ignored) the "overt religious symbols" were allowed to remain. Why?

Because the intent wasn't to show favor of one religion over another.

[Cannot think of a name]

If I flame you, report it. But I'm going to swear and not feel fucking bad about it.

As I suspected, you are in fact looking for a specific case where this specific situation comes up.

That's not how it works. Read the whole fucking decision and how it is applied.

Yes it does. Because this doesn't pass.

This is almost the very definition of being on the cross. When a Christian in America tries to whine about intolerance and oppression a little bit of language dies.

You're not flaming, I just want to keep it away from that. Feel free to cuss me out as much as you like and I'll chose not to. I didn't seek out "a case where this specific situation comes up", you sourced it. Remember?

No. I do not think you understood what I said if that's what you think just happened.

In the other case (which you conveniently ignored) the "overt religious symbols" were allowed to remain. Why?

Why what? What are you getting at? Why do you think that makes your case?

"When a non-Christian in America tries to insult a Christian, he fails miserably because the Christian was taught to be loving and tolerant to his enemies."

Seriously, we need the wood.

[Empire of Narnia]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

[Gallup]

Because it's the law.

What law says charities can't help little children, and be religious?

House Bill H.43.2 "The Religious groups can't do Anything Especially Not A Charity"

[Ifreann]

How do you know people won't?

So if I break into a rich person's house and sell their stuff, then distribute the money to the poor, I can argue in court "what about the people who benefited!" and win?

Seems legit.

The Robin Hood defence. Right up there with "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit"

[The Emerald Dawn]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

.....uwot?

[Mavorpen]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder.

How DARE we have a secular society.

[Aeken]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

That's some crazy stuff.

[Gallup]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

Dafuq?

[Empire of Narnia]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

That's some crazy stuff.

People say that about every change no matter how good it would be. The thing is, if we didn't have that constitution the world would be a better place. This one school would have been saved a lot of trouble as well.

[Ifreann]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

As charming a sentiment as that is, until you actually carry out your glorious theocratic revolution, the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States, and thus it is very relevant to this case of a school being threatened with a lawsuit over alleged violations of the Constitution. It is, in fact, more relevant and powerful than the word of God in this situation.

[Aeken]

That's some crazy stuff.

People say that about every change no matter how good it would be. The thing is, if we didn't have that constitution the world would be a better place. This one school would have been saved a lot of trouble as well.

Haha, no.

[Blahbania]

How is this trying to promote religion over non-religion. They aren't commanding the non-religious to convert.

[Mavorpen]

How is this trying to promote religion over non-religion. They aren't commanding the non-religious to convert.

And thus, yet another person asks a silly question already answered at least 15 times in the thread.

[The Emerald Dawn]

How is this trying to promote religion over non-religion. They aren't commanding the non-religious to convert.

Are you just puppet wanking, or are you seriously asking this?

[Ifreann]

How is this trying to promote religion over non-religion. They aren't commanding the non-religious to convert.

Because the entire purpose of Operation Christmas Child is to get children to convert to Christianity. As has been explained repeatedly throughout this thread, starting on the very first page.

[Empire of Narnia]

People treat the constitution like the word of God (lol ironic?) but it is not. If a legal document is used to disrupt charitable events and take toys away from little kids on Christmas it should be put through the shredder. I say burn the Constitution and make a new one, since it is obviously a deeply flawed document that has led to more deaths than anything else in American history.

As charming a sentiment as that is, until you actually carry out your glorious theocratic revolution, the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States, and thus it is very relevant to this case of a school being threatened with a lawsuit over alleged violations of the Constitution. It is, in fact, more relevant and powerful than the word of God in this situation.

People have been ignoring it for decades when it suited them. All we need is the government to realize this. They could just say "Well, it does go against the constitution, but we have the nukes and you don't so we aren't doing nothing!"

[Blahbania]

How is this trying to promote religion over non-religion. They aren't commanding the non-religious to convert.

And thus, yet another person asks a silly question already answered at least 15 times in the thread.

Because most of the time, the question has been dodged.

[Ifreann]

As charming a sentiment as that is, until you actually carry out your glorious theocratic revolution, the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States, and thus it is very relevant to this case of a school being threatened with a lawsuit over alleged violations of the Constitution. It is, in fact, more relevant and powerful than the word of God in this situation.

People have been ignoring it for decades when it suited them. All we need is the government to realize this. They could just say "Well, it does go against the constitution, but we have the nukes and you don't so we aren't doing nothing!"

This thread is not about your fantasies of revolution.

[Mavorpen]

And thus, yet another person asks a silly question already answered at least 15 times in the thread.

Because most of the time, the question has been dodged.

No, it's been answered every time.

[Timothia]

You're not flaming, I just want to keep it away from that. Feel free to cuss me out as much as you like and I'll chose not to. I didn't seek out "a case where this specific situation comes up", you sourced it. Remember? In the other case (which you conveniently ignored) the "overt religious symbols" were allowed to remain. Why?

Because the intent wasn't to show favor of one religion over another.

The intent of the public school was not to favor one religion over another, either. It was to hold a charity for kids in need at Christmas time. The religious overtones exist, but the intent of the school was to help people in third world countries.

[Rapidblaze]

Ehehe, and people tell me that the ebil relijuns are the root of all evil on the planet.

Ironic.

Following the law is evil, guys.

yes, regardless of if it has any justifications or not.

[Luveria]

People have been ignoring it for decades when it suited them. All we need is the government to realize this. They could just say "Well, it does go against the constitution, but we have the nukes and you don't so we aren't doing nothing!"

This thread is not about your fantasies of revolution.

Wet dreams of revolution would be a more accurate thing to say.