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Hathradic States
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:57 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I was confused to for a bit. I remember you insisting on being "they" for a while. It wasn't so much accusation of lying as it was confusion caused by you changing. It happens.

Holy fucking shit. If we're just going to lie about what is written on the forum for all to see, I'm out. Fuck that noise.

Or, instead of acting like a tween drama queen, you can accept that humans make mistakes and move on?

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Postby Morlodania » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:58 am

Hathradic States wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Holy fucking shit. If we're just going to lie about what is written on the forum for all to see, I'm out. Fuck that noise.

Or, instead of acting like a tween drama queen, you can accept that humans make mistakes and move on?

I agree with Hath...
For once...
This feels wrong...
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:58 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:It was in your signature. I remember it too.

I'm not referring to my pronouns, Ostro. I'm referring to what you just did.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:58 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:How is it edgy?

Your Mx. Know It All attitude of always, and painting yourself as the hero that is freeing this world from the shadows of ideology, identities and what you decided to just umbrella inside a big group of what you arbitrarily defines as superstition, even if it is studied by people far smarter and more knowledgeable than you as a serious thing at least in many aspects.


*shrug*
Incidentally, thanks for Mx. I was wondering about that just earlier (Gender neutral titles.), I considered if we should just co-opt Ms but Mx is better. Hopefully It'll get on forms soon.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:00 am

Hathradic States wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Holy fucking shit. If we're just going to lie about what is written on the forum for all to see, I'm out. Fuck that noise.

Or, instead of acting like a tween drama queen, you can accept that humans make mistakes and move on?

Homophobic insults. Dismissed.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:01 am

Morlodania wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Or, instead of acting like a tween drama queen, you can accept that humans make mistakes and move on?

I agree with Hath...
For once...
This feels wrong...


:lol2:

Not everyone that disagrees with you has bad ideas, and that's also part of dealing with people :p

I've come to realize that recently.
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:01 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Or, instead of acting like a tween drama queen, you can accept that humans make mistakes and move on?

Homophobic insults. Dismissed.

What homophobic insult? :blink: I called you a drama queen. That has nothing to do with homosexuality in the slightest.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:02 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Morlodania wrote:I agree with Hath...
For once...
This feels wrong...


:lol2:

Not everyone that disagrees with you has bad ideas, and that's also part of dealing with people :p

I've come to realize that recently.


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I was shocked when I found out it was progressive and reasonable.

Except for the whole "But only for ZE MASTER RACE!" bit. Had to edit that out.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:03 am

Hathradic States wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Homophobic insults. Dismissed.

What homophobic insult? :blink: I called you a drama queen. That has nothing to do with homosexuality in the slightest.

I don't like being called a drama queen. It's queer baiting, hon. Denying it is silly. ;)

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:04 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Your Mx. Know It All attitude of always, and painting yourself as the hero that is freeing this world from the shadows of ideology, identities and what you decided to just umbrella inside a big group of what you arbitrarily defines as superstition, even if it is studied by people far smarter and more knowledgeable than you as a serious thing at least in many aspects.

*shrug*
Incidentally, thanks for Mx. I was wondering about that just earlier (Gender neutral titles.), I considered if we should just co-opt Ms but Mx is better. Hopefully It'll get on forms soon.

In trans* spaces in Portuguese and Spanish it is hard to be inclusive for everyone. We tried @ for o/a for a time and that "ae" ligature symbol for e/a but it sucked and still excluded people who are demigender or agender like me and you, so we just put the 'x' because it seems the most adequate.

I also think 'Xe' better than singular they, it is obviously biased, as in Portuguese x = sh sound and in Spanish x = h sound. xD
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:04 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:What homophobic insult? :blink: I called you a drama queen. That has nothing to do with homosexuality in the slightest.

I don't like being called a drama queen. It's queer baiting, hon. Denying it is silly. ;)


You don't like it, therefore it's queer baiting?
Christ, i've been called a drama queen BY gays more than i've said it TO gays.
If anything it's a misogynist insult because of the "queen" bit. (We never hear of drama kings.) but homophobic?
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Postby Orilano » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:05 am

Aboslutely not. Male and Females both need to exist. If you eliminate males the following will happen:

1) It is a human right violation and undermines the right to human equality

2) Romance, the most powerful and motivating force in the world, will die

3)The human race will go mad

4) Humans will become emotionless and happiness will disappear.

Women and men deserve to be protected. Our wold depends on it.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:06 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:*shrug*
Incidentally, thanks for Mx. I was wondering about that just earlier (Gender neutral titles.), I considered if we should just co-opt Ms but Mx is better. Hopefully It'll get on forms soon.

In trans* spaces in Portuguese and Spanish it is hard to be inclusive for everyone. We tried @ for o/a for a time and that "ae" ligature symbol for e/a but it sucked and still excluded people who are demigender or agender like me and you, so we just put the 'x' because it seems the most adequate.

I also think 'Xe' better than singular they, it is obviously biased, as in Portuguese x = sh sound and in Spanish x = h sound. xD


I'm not sure about Xe.
Mx works because it's pronouncable. (At least, as pronouncable as Mr And Mrs).
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:06 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:What homophobic insult? :blink: I called you a drama queen. That has nothing to do with homosexuality in the slightest.

I don't like being called a drama queen. It's queer baiting, hon. Denying it is silly. ;)

A drama queen someone who takes everything so personally and makes a big deal out of things which can be brushed off. That you see it as a homophobic insult is just proof of your current persecution complex. I suggest a break from the internet and a good cup of hot coco to calm you down, Sandra.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:06 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:07 am

Orilano wrote:Aboslutely not. Male and Females both need to exist. If you eliminate males the following will happen:

1) It is a human right violation and undermines the right to human equality

2) Romance, the most powerful and motivating force in the world, will die

3)The human race will go mad

4) Humans will become emotionless and happiness will disappear.

Women and men deserve to be protected. Our wold depends on it.


Not that i'm in favor of the OP's proposal, but you're going a little overboard.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:07 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:I don't like being called a drama queen. It's queer baiting, hon. Denying it is silly. ;)


You don't like it, therefore it's queer baiting?
Christ, i've been called a drama queen BY gays more than i've said it TO gays.
If anything it's a misogynist insult because of the "queen" bit. (We never hear of drama kings.) but homophobic?

Drama king just doesn't roll off of the tongue.

Though drama prince might.

Now, let's all drop this subject, shall we? This is rather derailed.

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Postby The Uncompromising Purveyors of Light » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:07 am

Orilano wrote:Aboslutely not. Male and Females both need to exist. If you eliminate males the following will happen:

1) It is a human right violation and undermines the right to human equality

2) Romance, the most powerful and motivating force in the world, will die

3)The human race will go mad

4) Humans will become emotionless and happiness will disappear.

Women and men deserve to be protected. Our wold depends on it.

Exactly how will redundancy of the male gender make 2,3 and 4 occur? Frankly, not even destruction of the male gender would do those things.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:08 am

The Uncompromising Purveyors of Light wrote:
Orilano wrote:Aboslutely not. Male and Females both need to exist. If you eliminate males the following will happen:

1) It is a human right violation and undermines the right to human equality

2) Romance, the most powerful and motivating force in the world, will die

3)The human race will go mad

4) Humans will become emotionless and happiness will disappear.

Women and men deserve to be protected. Our wold depends on it.

Exactly how will redundancy of the male gender make 2,3 and 4 occur? Frankly, not even destruction of the male gender would do those things.


3 Has already occurred.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Uncompromising Purveyors of Light » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:09 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Uncompromising Purveyors of Light wrote:Exactly how will redundancy of the male gender make 2,3 and 4 occur? Frankly, not even destruction of the male gender would do those things.


3 Has already occurred.

Oh... did anyone notice?

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:09 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:I don't like being called a drama queen. It's queer baiting, hon. Denying it is silly. ;)


You don't like it, therefore it's queer baiting?
Christ, i've been called a drama queen BY gays more than i've said it TO gays.
If anything it's a misogynist insult because of the "queen" bit. (We never hear of drama kings.) but homophobic?

In Truthy's defense, effeminophobia is a thing and he was just called by a female name in an ironic fashion.
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Postby Morlodania » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:10 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Uncompromising Purveyors of Light wrote:Exactly how will redundancy of the male gender make 2,3 and 4 occur? Frankly, not even destruction of the male gender would do those things.


3 Has already occurred.

3 occurred a LONG time ago...
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:10 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Uncompromising Purveyors of Light wrote:Exactly how will redundancy of the male gender make 2,3 and 4 occur? Frankly, not even destruction of the male gender would do those things.


3 Has already occurred.

I'm pretty sure 4 isn't too far away....
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Postby Kambana » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:17 am

Czechanada wrote:There has been a biological technology discovered where women could become pregnant without male fertilization through an egg only being fertilized with another x chromosome.

Given that males would no longer be necessary for reproduction, should society consider removing the male gender?

As I am myself male, I am cognizant of the fact that the male gender does have the inherent tendency of masculinity. The concept of masculinity has several problematic tendencies such as aggression and the disguising of emotion. This combined with the superior average strength of males has lead to a patriarchal society. This has lead to oppression of women, with men being statistically the primary perpetrators of crimes like domestic violence, and women suffer harassment in filling men's role. This isn't to say that all men act like this, and many males do try to alleviate this problem. However, we should attempt a preventative solution and try to stop this once and for all.

Since the primary purpose of sexual distinction between organisms is reproductions, and humans have superseded that purposes, sex is no longer a necessity. At the same time, humanity should focus on making society as best as possible. The female gender does not have these negative traits such as aggression, thus society would function better.

Should the male gender become redundant, NSG?


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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:18 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
You don't like it, therefore it's queer baiting?
Christ, i've been called a drama queen BY gays more than i've said it TO gays.
If anything it's a misogynist insult because of the "queen" bit. (We never hear of drama kings.) but homophobic?

Drama king just doesn't roll off of the tongue.

Though drama prince might.

Now, let's all drop this subject, shall we? This is rather derailed.


It doesn't quite roll off the tongue. It's the G that does it. Drama prince is a good one though.
*drops*
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