NM minivan stop

[The Emerald Dawn]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/minivan-stop-ends-shoots-fired-high-speed-chase/story?id=20912206

Video from a police dashboard camera showed how a routine traffic stop devolved into an intense incident that involved a high speed chase and a police officer appearing to shoot at van full of children.

The incident began when a woman who police have identified as Oriana Ferrell was pulled over by a New Mexico State Police officer for going 71 miles per hour in a 55 miles per hour zone according to station KRQE-TV in Albuquerque, N.M.

The dash cam shows the woman and the officer arguing, and when the officer goes back to his car to check paperwork, the woman drives away and is pulled over again by the same officer.

When the officer goes to the car a second time he opens the door and demands that Ferrell get out of the car, yelling "Get out of the vehicle right now!"

When she refuses, the officer appears to attempt to pull her out of the car as her five children, ages 6 to 18, according to The Taos News, start screaming in the car.

After a few moments, the woman's 14-year-old son gets out of the car and tries to engage the officer. But the officer pulls his taser and the teenager goes back into the car.

As the officer tries to get the woman to leave the car, he tells her that she is already facing charges for leaving the scene after she was first pulled over.

"Look, I'm going to ask you one more time to get out of the vehicle and then I'm going to pull you out, OK?" the officer said. "You're already facing evading charges. You ran away from me."

"Sir, I pulled back over, I didn't run away," the woman said. "You see my children. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just trying to take them to the Rio Grande."

Eventually the woman gets out of the car to talk to the officer, but when he tells her to turn and face the vehicle she tries to run back into the driver's seat of the car. The incident quickly escalates with the woman's son this time engaging the officer. Only after the officer aims his taser at the boy does he run back into the van.

As back-up arrives, the woman and her family are locked inside. The officer takes his baton and starts to break the windows of the van as he tries to get the family out of the car.

At that point the woman starts to drive away, and another officer who came on the scene later appears to fire three shots at the back of the minivan even though five children were in the back seat.

The woman leads the officers on a 10-minute chase before stopping in front of a hotel and turning herself in. Both the woman and her 14-year-old son were arrested.

The actions of the different officers and the fact that the routine traffic stop ended with an officer shooting at a car and a high speed chase has led to an internal investigation, the New Mexico State Police told ABCNews.com. However, the officers involved have not yet been removed from active duty.

Ferrell was charged with five counts of abuse of a child, aggravated fleeing an officer, resisting an officer, reckless driving and possession of drug paraphernalia, according to The Taos News. Her teenage son was charged with battery of an officer.

The Taos News reported that New Mexico State Police said they allegedly found two marijuana pipes in the minivan.

I hate the news. Well, not the news. I hate what has become confused as news reporting in America.

Two things happened in this confrontation that are driving me nuts.

From the dashboard cam, we see the officer being rather polite (my experience with New Mexico officers differs, but this guy seemed legitimately ok.)

One: Oriana Ferrell, mother of five, self-proclaimed "empowerment coach", is doing 71 in a 55.
Two: She gets pulled over, and then flees the scene when the officer goes back to check her information at his vehicle.
Three: Upon being pulled over again, she resists arrest for both speeding, and fleeing the scene. Her son becomes involved and tries to go Wu Tang on the cop, and he is now going to be arrested.
Four: She gets in her car, locks the doors, and refuses to come out. When two other officers arrives, she flees again.
Five: Later, she's finally arrested after a high-speed chase, and pulling over somewhere. Her son is arrested too, if for no other reason than he brought shame to the Lantern Corps.

Now for the other side.

One of the cops OPENS FUCKING FIRE ON THE CAR.

Great. Congratulations Deputy, you've just turned this case from a clear conviction to a colossal clusterfuck. Five kids in the car, and you decide you're Quickdraw McGraw? Fucking brilliant.

What say you, NSG?

I welcome the "I hate police", the "Shaniqua should have known better", and the "I'm afraid of Americans", to all post elsewhere. While race and position of authority are at play here, make sure you watch the video, because besides what ABC mangles, the escalation of force rules were fairly well applied until Judge Fredd tries his hand at skeet shooting.

[Cannot think of a name]

I don't know how your account is substantially different than the one in the source you provided.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I don't know how your account is substantially different than the one in the source you provided.

Did you watch the video? They misused pronouns, and so it came across as only one cop doing all of the bad things. It also refused to recognize the fact that the lady charged with crimes was responsible for the escalations, and not the police officers. It's not like they can sit on their bums and let someone get away.

[Quintium]

All I heard about the case so far was that the police had 'suddenly' decided to shoot at her. Turns out there's a lot more to it, then. Sounds a lot like the Rodney King case, where people often don't remember the part where he was driving under influence while on parole, tried to flee and caused a high-speed chase when the police came after him, and physically attacked them before they even touched him.

[The Truth and Light]

This is the most confusing police v. citizen encounter I have seen. I'm not sure if I can take a side without sacrificing some principle.

[The Emerald Dawn]

This is the most confusing police v. citizen encounter I have seen. I'm not sure if I can take a side without sacrificing some principle.

The one officer who made the initial stop was the most right.

The lady fleeing the scene, thrice, was wrong.

The son miming Kung Fu Hustle wasn't right.

Captain Target Range was right fucking out.

[The Truth and Light]

This is the most confusing police v. citizen encounter I have seen. I'm not sure if I can take a side without sacrificing some principle.

The one officer who made the initial stop was the most right.

The lady fleeing the scene, thrice, was wrong.

The son miming Kung Fu Hustle wasn't right.

Captain Target Range was right fucking out.

Eh, I'm going with Karate Kid.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The one officer who made the initial stop was the most right.

The lady fleeing the scene, thrice, was wrong.

The son miming Kung Fu Hustle wasn't right.

Captain Target Range was right fucking out.

Eh, I'm going with Karate Kid.

Going toe-to-toe with the Po Po is never the right call.

Even in my prime, with all limbs attached, I would not have willingly engaged in melee with a member of a police organization unless they were actively engaged in illegal activity.

[Arkiasis]

She was given numerous chances to cooperate, then she went batshit insane and her crackhead kids also came out in acted in a threatening manner. It's her own fault for escalating the situation and trying to run from police.

[The balkens]

And now all of my faith in the police has gone dry. (much like my jagermeister, REFILL!)

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with cops and people in general these days? You get pulled over, you don't fucking speed off! And you don't fucking shoot a weapon at a van full of kids!

Ugh...

[Cannot think of a name]

I don't know how your account is substantially different than the one in the source you provided.

Did you watch the video? They misused pronouns, and so it came across as only one cop doing all of the bad things.

Uh...

As back-up arrives, the woman and her family are locked inside.

At that point the woman starts to drive away, and another officer who came on the scene later appears to fire three shots at the back of the minivan even though five children were in the back seat.

I'm not seeing that.

It also refused to recognize the fact that the lady charged with crimes was responsible for the escalations, and not the police officers. It's not like they can sit on their bums and let someone get away.

I'm not sure how it does that either.

[Aethrys]

The first cop should be recognized for showing restraint, the woman should be jailed and given a mental health evaluation, and the second cop should be suspended until the results of the investigation are complete.

[L Ron Cupboard]

How the hell is that a minivan?

[Cannot think of a name]

How the hell is that a minivan?

What do you think a minivan is?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Looks like he was trying to shoot the tyres out. Always works in movies doesn't it? Too bad the tyres are close to the fuel tank.

[Tekania]

I watched the full 18 minute video unedited and here is my opinion....

I take issue with the one officer that shot at the minivan, the other officers actions were fine.

The primary arresting officer was great IMHO.

And the woman..... OMG..... Was she on something? I mean, who is going to refuse a citation, flee the scene and resist arrest and then say the officer is at fault?

I mean, the full video was very informing.
1. Women is pulled over for doing 71 in a 55.
2. Officer presents woman with citation, she needs to check either the option to prepay, and mail the $126 fine in, or court appearance options.
3. Woman argues that she cannot commit to either now.
4. Officer informs her that she can just chose the court appearance option, and contact the court to see if shecan reschedule if she needs to.
5. Woman argues furtehr and asks to be cut a break.
6. OFficer informs her he is already cutting her a break on her expired license, which he is not citing her for.
7. Woman argues more and refuses to sign.
8. Officer informs her that refusing to sign means you want to talk to a judge right now.
9. Woman argues more and officer asks the woman to turn off the car and wait here, and then goes to notify dispatch of the situation
10. As soon as officer is in the car, woman pulls away.
11. Officer immediately pursues woman, and she pulls over again.
12. Officer tells her she needs to get out of the car, she refuses... all in all the officer attempts to keep things peaceful.
13. Eventually the woman agrees to get out and at the back of the vehicle the officer now informs her of the full situation, when officer asks her to turn around in order for him to arrest her, she resists and runs into her vehicle.

(Of interest is the woman now claiming she did not flee the scene.... as if these things don't get recorded by the cruisers cameras).

14. At this time her son attempts to intervene but gets back into the car on direction.
15. Woman resists more and son ocne again attempts to intervene and is only halted this time by threat with a taser
16. Woman uses that opportunity to get in and lock the car, and the children do the same, at this time one other cop stops and approaches with the one cop at the passenger side side door.
17. Further refusal to commands to open the door results in the cop attempting to break the glass, and the third officer arrives

(mind you, at this point what we have is one belligerent older boy who has attempted assault on an officer in with children and a women who is being agressively resistant and evassive in a rather minor traffic stop, I would not doubt the cops suspicions are on the rise about this)

18. Woman pulls out, last cop on scene starts firing towards the van (back is to the camera, unable to see what he was aiming at)
19. Woman now takes police on a 100MPH police chase that involved her crossing into oncomming traffic lanes, passing trucks in no passing zones, running through red lights at intersections and finally stops at a hotel.

(it should be noted at this time that the officer who earlier fired the shots tells dispatchthat he discharged three rounts at the vehicle attempting to hit the tires. The initial officer then responds that the suspects did not appear to have a firearm in the vehicle)

20. Cops swarm around woman who finally gets out on command and surrenders.

Anyone interested in the full unedited video, here it is, it gives the full 18+ minutes from the initial stop up till her surrender at the hotel.

[Tekania]

How the hell is that a minivan?

A minivan is a type of vehicle..... they are usually based off of sedan drive-trains and chassis unlike normal vans which are based off truck drive-trains and chassis..... specifically that is a Kia Sedona. That is what it is called in the US, you may know it as a Multi Purpose Vehicle.

[Cannot think of a name]

How the hell is that a minivan?

A minivan is a type of vehicle..... they are usually based off of sedan drive-trains and chassis unlike normal vans which are based off truck drive-trains and chassis..... specifically that is a Kia Sedona. That is what it is called in the US, you may know it as a Multi Purpose Vehicle.

And this isn't a minivan...how?

[Tekania]

A minivan is a type of vehicle..... they are usually based off of sedan drive-trains and chassis unlike normal vans which are based off truck drive-trains and chassis..... specifically that is a Kia Sedona. That is what it is called in the US, you may know it as a Multi Purpose Vehicle.

And this isn't a minivan...how?

It is, I was merely describing what a minivan is. Outside the US it is not called a minivan, so he may be thinking minivan in the sense of a smallish van, and is merely just unfamiliar with what the word minivan is meant to mean.

[Cannot think of a name]

And this isn't a minivan...how?

It is, I was merely describing what a minivan is. Outside the US it is not called a minivan, so he may be thinking minivan in the sense of a smallish van, and is merely just unfamiliar with what the word minivan is meant to mean.

I...uh...didn't read the quoting right. Thought you were he...so...um...yeah...sorry about that.

[Ethel mermania]

people are stujpid

phone doesnt want to play video, but assuming story is correct

1. mom needs to go to prison, 2 - 3 years, she put many people in danger of her lives by fleeing, her kids, the cops, anyone else on the road. lovely example to set for the kids she in prison needs to complete some sort of rehab, anger management or she does not get kids back upon release. after she ran away first time, she was going to the station for arrest and at least a desk appearance ticket, .. most of the blame goes to mommy.

2. shooter cop - 20 days suspension with out pay. 20 days lost vacation. which will cost him between 10 and 20 grand loss of gun and badge for 6 months, manditory retraining,to get gun and badge back, and a 1 year probationary status after reinstatement to full duty.

3. non shooter cop, gets a commendation for saying "no gun in van" after shooter fired, make no mistake that saved the lives of the driver and kids.

4. kid, his arrest is justified but its mom he is defending, community service, mandatory counciling (mainly to help him, his mommy is going to jail, that familly will have issues, he will need services). if he stays clean till 18 his record gets expundged, i dont him having to answer "convicted felon" on a job app.

[The Serbian Empire]

people are stujpid

phone doesnt want to play video, but assuming story is correct

1. mom needs to go to prison, 2 - 3 years, she put many people in danger of her lives by fleeing, her kids, the cops, anyone else on the road. lovely example to set for the kids she in prison needs to complete some sort of rehab, anger management or she does not get kids back upon release. after she ran away first time, she was going to the station for arrest and at least a desk appearance ticket, .. most of the blame goes to mommy.

2. shooter cop - 20 days suspension with out pay. 20 days lost vacation. which will cost him between 10 and 20 grand loss of gun and badge for 6 months, manditory retraining,to get gun and badge back, and a 1 year probationary status after reinstatement to full duty.

3. non shooter cop, gets a commendation for saying "no gun in van" after shooter fired, make no mistake that saved the lives of the driver and kids.

4. kid, his arrest is justified but its mom he is defending, community service, mandatory counciling (mainly to help him, his mommy is going to jail, that familly will have issues, he will need services). if he stays clean till 18 his record gets expundged, i dont him having to answer "convicted felon" on a job app.

I agree with this fully.

[L Ron Cupboard]

How the hell is that a minivan?

What do you think a minivan is?

Something like this in the UK

Two countries divided by a common language I guess.

[Fireye]

What do you think a minivan is?

Something like this in the UK

Two countries divided by a common language I guess.

And a pretty big ocean.

Can't forget the ocean.

[Risottia]

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19. Woman now takes police on a 100MPH police chase that involved her crossing into oncomming traffic lanes, passing trucks in no passing zones, running through red lights at intersections and finally stops at a hotel.

(it should be noted at this time that the officer who earlier fired the shots tells dispatch that he discharged three rounds at the vehicle attempting to hit the tires. The initial officer then responds that the suspects did not appear to have a firearm in the vehicle)

Seems to me it is ok to attempt shooting the tires in this case.
A fugitive driving like a colossal asshole at 160 km/h is a clear and present danger to other people's life and limb. Force, even potentially lethal, can be used. It's not like being run over by a car speeding at 160 km/h isn't lethal enough...

By the way, here in a non-that-trigger-happy-country: try breaking through a Carabinieri roadblock with a car, say hello to 9mm full-auto fire from the Carabinieri's machine pistol.