Gay Civil Union Discussion

[Ifreann]

This may blow your mind, but sometimes, one of the people in a gay relationship has a penis, and the other has a vagina.

Are you referring to gay couples where one of the persons is transgender?

One or both. So it's entirely possible for a gay couple to meet all your arbitrary requirements.

Oh, except I bet you're about to have a problem with trans* people. Aren't you?

[Oneracon]

Yes let's let the gays marry each other [sarcasm]. Well, at least "gay marriage" is more possible as "gay sex". Marriage is not intended for two guys or girls. Marriage is a HOLY COVENANT made by ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN!!! By "marrying" your friend of same gender is a disgrace. It is retarded to think about it. But, that shows were people are today. Stupid.

So you're anti-gay and trivialize people with mental disabilities? I'm sure you're a hit with all the eligible singles.

[Pandeeria]

So a man who works in a pickle factory and lost his junk in a freak accident can't marry his girlfriend?

Yes. As I said earlier, impotence is grounds for annulment of a marriage.

Source? Or will you continue to ignore me?

[Lost heros]

So a man who works in a pickle factory and lost his junk in a freak accident can't marry his girlfriend?

Yes. As I said earlier, impotence is grounds for annulment of a marriage.

That's irrelevant. We were asking you whether or not he could get married in the first place.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes let's let the gays marry each other [sarcasm]. Well, at least "gay marriage" is more possible as "gay sex". Marriage is not intended for two guys or girls. Marriage is a HOLY COVENANT made by ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN!!! By "marrying" your friend of same gender is a disgrace. It is retarded to think about it. But, that shows were people are today. Stupid.

Yeah, because if two people genuinely love each other, it would be a disgrace to allow them to legally express it.

And no, it's not a holy covenant. And even if it was, screw that. We live in a secular nation, religious arguments are completely invalid.

Even I, as a religious person, have to agree with you. Marriage doesn't have anything to do with covenants or laws, it is an expression of love between two people that God blesses because it is done for the right reasons from the very beginning regardless whether they are from the same sex or not, or whether they can reproduce or not.

At least, that's how I view it.

[Auralia]

No it isn't. Stop making shit up.

I'm not making anything up. I'm just making observations, the same observations that many other social scientists have made.

[Ifreann]

Olthar is some kind of video evidence wizard.

That's video evidence sorceress. Wizards are bearded old dudes.

Silly me.

[Caecuser]

So a man who works in a pickle factory and lost his junk in a freak accident can't marry his girlfriend?

Yes. As I said earlier, impotence is grounds for annulment of a marriage.

It's depressing just to watch somebody be wrong after being proven and shown how they are wrong so many times - and yet persist in how wrong they are about a certain subject.

[Pandeeria]

No it isn't. Stop making shit up.

I'm not making anything up. I'm just making observations, the same observations that many other social scientists have made.

Give a legal definition of marriage that fits your arbitrary rule set, or stop with the "biologically unable to reproduce" argument.

[Luxew]

No it isn't. Stop making shit up.

I'm not making anything up. I'm just making observations, the same observations that many other social scientists have made.

Yes, because this a definitely reliable source. How many social scientists, exactly? And are they exactly social scientists, or the morality police?

[Ifreann]

No it isn't. Stop making shit up.

I'm not making anything up...

In fact you are making up a whole lot about requirements for marriage that don't exist anywhere outside your cranium.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No it isn't. Stop making shit up.

I'm not making anything up. I'm just making observations, the same observations that many other social scientists have made.

How convenient you dismissed my example.

[Olthar]

That's video evidence sorceress. Wizards are bearded old dudes.

Silly me.

[Auralia]

Yes. As I said earlier, impotence is grounds for annulment of a marriage.

That's irrelevant. We were asking you whether or not he could get married in the first place.

No, technically he can't. When a marriage is annulled, the state is effectively declaring that the marriage never existed, and the state was wrong to recognize it in the first place.

[Dazchan]

So a man who works in a pickle factory and lost his junk in a freak accident can't marry his girlfriend?

Yes. As I said earlier, impotence is grounds for annulment of a marriage.

What if they're already married and had consummated before the accident? Would the state have to forcibly annul the marriage?

[Pandeeria]

That's irrelevant. We were asking you whether or not he could get married in the first place.

No, technically he can't. When a marriage is annulled, the state is effectively declaring that the marriage never existed, and the state was wrong to recognize it in the first place.

Why should gays not be able to marry. Please give me a neat list.

[Ifreann]

That's irrelevant. We were asking you whether or not he could get married in the first place.

No, technically he can't. When a marriage is annulled, the state is effectively declaring that the marriage never existed, and the state was wrong to recognize it in the first place.

And if an impotent person marries, and the marriage is never annulled, then Cthulhu will rise and devour us all.

[Auralia]

I'm not making anything up. I'm just making observations, the same observations that many other social scientists have made.

How convenient you dismissed my example.

I'm very sorry that you and your girlfriend cannot have sex without endangering your girlfriend's life. I would say that this effectively precludes marriage in this case, which is very unfortunate.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's irrelevant. We were asking you whether or not he could get married in the first place.

No, technically he can't. When a marriage is annulled, the state is effectively declaring that the marriage never existed, and the state was wrong to recognize it in the first place.

Oh really?

Then I would like for you to explain to us what are the reasons why the state, not the church, can annul marriages?

Because clearly you have been talking about certain schools of thought of the church all this time, not the state.

[Divair]

No, technically he can't. When a marriage is annulled, the state is effectively declaring that the marriage never existed, and the state was wrong to recognize it in the first place.

And if an impotent person marries, and the marriage is never annulled, then Cthulhu will rise and devour us all.

I disappear for a while and suddenly this thread has been threadjacked? The fuck happened?

[Lost heros]

That's irrelevant. We were asking you whether or not he could get married in the first place.

No, technically he can't. When a marriage is annulled, the state is effectively declaring that the marriage never existed, and the state was wrong to recognize it in the first place.

What if he nor his wife don't want to have kids and thus don't care that his junk was cut off, and therefore don't get an annulment. Should they be allowed to marry in the first place?

[Pandeeria]

And if an impotent person marries, and the marriage is never annulled, then Cthulhu will rise and devour us all.

I disappear for a while and suddenly this thread has been threadjacked? The fuck happened?

Everything™.

[The 93rd Coalition]

And if an impotent person marries, and the marriage is never annulled, then Cthulhu will rise and devour us all.

I disappear for a while and suddenly this thread has been threadjacked? The fuck happened?

SCIENCE.

[The Emerald Dawn]

And if an impotent person marries, and the marriage is never annulled, then Cthulhu will rise and devour us all.

I disappear for a while and suddenly this thread has been threadjacked? The fuck happened?

>.>

Not sure if familiar with Nation States General.

[Divair]

I disappear for a while and suddenly this thread has been threadjacked? The fuck happened?

>.>

Not sure if familiar with Nation States General.

No, I'm very new, please explain