Gay Civil Union Discussion

[Lost heros]

So I'm assuming you would be opposed to a the idea of, say, a child raised by his father and uncle.

I would be concerned about the lack of a mother figure in that child's life, yes.

Defining the role of a person based on their sex, is sexism. You realize this right?

[Blasveck]

I agree. We should be adding a condition to marriage licenses that all couples who enter marriages must have at least one child.

No. Childless marriages are still marriages, so long as they fulfill all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (emotional, spiritual and bodily union, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering towards childbearing.

Your whole "Children need a mother and a Father"?

http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/gay-parent ... ight-ones/

Yeah, it's bullshit.

[Pandeeria]

No. Childless marriages are still marriages, so long as they fulfill all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (emotional, spiritual and bodily union, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering towards childbearing.

Your whole "Children need a mother and a Father"?

Yeah, it's bullshit.

Link is broken by the way.

[Auralia]

Mothers and fathers also have different parenting styles, and play different roles in a child's development.

Really, so what is the general parenting style for mothers verse fathers? Also, what different roles do they play. Please be exact. Also please answer whether post menopausal women should be allowed to marry. Also please provide sauce for all the pasta.

A quick Google search produced this article about the differences between mothers and fathers and how their parental styles complement each other. Here's another.

There is no reason why post-menopausal women should not be allowed to marry, so long as their marriage fulfills all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (both emotional and bodily, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering toward childbearing.

[Lost heros]

As long as you still have a penis, everything will be fine. That's far more important to raising children than personality. *nods*

But what if I don't have a penis? D: What if something happens that I might lose it?

Sorry, buddy. You're not allowed to be a father.

[Ifreann]

No. Childless marriages are still marriages, so long as they fulfill all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (emotional, spiritual and bodily union, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering towards childbearing.

None of those are requirements for marriage, nor have they ever been.

You have to remember that Auralia is talking about a special, imaginary institution that only exists in his head. Not the actual, real, legal institution of marriage.

[The Tundra]

Your whole "Children need a mother and a Father"?

Yeah, it's bullshit.

Link is broken by the way.

fixed it

[Auralia]

I would be concerned about the lack of a mother figure in that child's life, yes.

Defining the role of a person based on their sex, is sexism. You realize this right?

So all difference feminists are sexists?

[Pandeeria]

Really, so what is the general parenting style for mothers verse fathers? Also, what different roles do they play. Please be exact. Also please answer whether post menopausal women should be allowed to marry. Also please provide sauce for all the pasta.

A quick Google search produced this article about the differences between mothers and fathers and how their parental styles complement each other. Here's another.

There is no reason why post-menopausal women should not be allowed to marry, so long as their marriage fulfills all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (both emotional and bodily, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering toward childbearing.

Is that the actual definition of marriage, or are you just making those arbitrary requirements up?

[Olthar]

As long as you still have a penis, everything will be fine. That's far more important to raising children than personality. *nods*

But what if I don't have a penis? D: What if something happens that I might lose it?

Oh, no problem. As a Traditional Manly Man^TM, you'll just kill yourself, anyway, because life without a penis is life not worth living. *nods*

[Oneracon]

Indeed not. You do realise this is sarcasm, right?

I clearly did not. I've heard these arguments before by homophobes, and they sounded legit.

I'm not homophobic. I have gay friends and a boyfriend, I just support abandoning the outdated idea of quote]traditionalunquote marriage. Critique is best articulated from the privileged perspective

[The Emerald Dawn]

But what if I don't have a penis? D: What if something happens that I might lose it?

Oh, no problem. As a Traditional Manly Man^TM, you'll just kill yourself, anyway, because life without a penis is life not worth living. *nods*

...I would be very sad without my member.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Really, so what is the general parenting style for mothers verse fathers? Also, what different roles do they play. Please be exact. Also please answer whether post menopausal women should be allowed to marry. Also please provide sauce for all the pasta.

A quick Google search produced this article about the differences between mothers and fathers and how their parental styles complement each other. Here's another.

There is no reason why post-menopausal women should not be allowed to marry, so long as their marriage fulfills all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (both emotional and bodily, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering toward childbearing.

You... do realize that post-menopausal women and women/men with certain disabilities CANNOT bear children right?

[Neutraligon]

Really, so what is the general parenting style for mothers verse fathers? Also, what different roles do they play. Please be exact. Also please answer whether post menopausal women should be allowed to marry. Also please provide sauce for all the pasta.

A quick Google search produced this article about the differences between mothers and fathers and how their parental styles complement each other. Here's another.

There is no reason why post-menopausal women should not be allowed to marry, so long as their marriage fulfills all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (both emotional and bodily, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering toward childbearing.

How can a post menopausal woman have a natural ordering toward children. By the way you never did define that

Considering my mother and father were in many ways the exact opposite of that article, considering that the articles provide no backing for those claims I pretty sure I can disregard them as worthless.

[Jormengand]

Defining the role of a person based on their sex, is sexism. You realize this right?

So all difference feminists are sexists?

No, because they are saying there are differences but those differences do not prescribe set roles.

[Othelos]

Defining the role of a person based on their sex, is sexism. You realize this right?

So all difference feminists are sexists?

What do think of the idea of a child raised by his father and uncle, with his/her grandmother as a maternal figure?

[Auralia]

A quick Google search produced this article about the differences between mothers and fathers and how their parental styles complement each other. Here's another.

There is no reason why post-menopausal women should not be allowed to marry, so long as their marriage fulfills all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (both emotional and bodily, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering toward childbearing.

You... do realize that post-menopausal women and women with certain disabilities CANNOT bear children right?

Yes. That doesn't mean that they cannot engage in the conjugal act, which is naturally ordered towards childbearing regardless of the fertility status of either spouse.

[Threlizdun]

Really, so what is the general parenting style for mothers verse fathers? Also, what different roles do they play. Please be exact. Also please answer whether post menopausal women should be allowed to marry. Also please provide sauce for all the pasta.

A quick Google search produced this article about the differences between mothers and fathers and how their parental styles complement each other. Here's another.

So a sexist book and a blog, got it. That's definitely better than the peer-reviewed research.

There is no reason why post-menopausal women should not be allowed to marry, so long as their marriage fulfills all of the requirements of marriage: complete union (both emotional and bodily, the latter via the conjugal act), permanence, exclusivity, and a natural ordering toward childbearing.

Again, are you just magically bringing children about? How the hell do you go about childbearing when you can't bear children?

[The Emerald Dawn]

You... do realize that post-menopausal women and women with certain disabilities CANNOT bear children right?

Yes. That doesn't mean that they cannot engage in the conjugal act, which is naturally ordered towards childbearing regardless of the fertility status of either spouse.

Sex without procreation is a sin.

Why do you love sin?

[Lost heros]

Defining the role of a person based on their sex, is sexism. You realize this right?

So all difference feminists are sexists?

Women and men are different is all they're saying. They're not defining a women's role based on they're sex.

[Jormengand]

You... do realize that post-menopausal women and women with certain disabilities CANNOT bear children right?

Yes. That doesn't mean that they cannot engage in the conjugal act, which is naturally ordered towards childbearing regardless of the fertility status of either spouse.

How is it "Naturally ordered" towards something of which it is incapable?

[Neutraligon]

So all difference feminists are sexists?

What do think of the idea of a child raised by his father and uncle, with his/her grandmother as a maternal figure?

Somehow biological parents are the best people to raise a child. I notice that Auralia never looks into adoption, or abusive homes.

[Ifreann]

Defining the role of a person based on their sex, is sexism. You realize this right?

So all difference feminists are sexists?

I'm inclined to say yes. Calling some particular kind of sexism "something feminism" doesn't make it not sexist. Like how North Korea isn't actually a democratic people's republic.

[Lost heros]

I clearly did not. I've heard these arguments before by homophobes, and they sounded legit.

I'm not homophobic. I have gay friends and a boyfriend, I just support abandoning the outdated idea of quote]traditionalunquote marriage. Critique is best articulated from the privileged perspective

You should stop with the small text. It's rather annoying.

[Ifreann]

Yes. That doesn't mean that they cannot engage in the conjugal act, which is naturally ordered towards childbearing regardless of the fertility status of either spouse.

Sex without procreation is a sin.

Why do you love sin?

Because it's fun, I expect.