Gay Civil Union Discussion

[Liriena]

Yeah, fuck human rights and peer-reviewed research! Long live irrational fears!

The relative newness of same-sex marriage and adoption means that there is no reliable peer-reviewed research on the subject.

Really? With a straight face?

[Arglorand]

How about no and no? Progress means forward, not backward.

I prefer progress forward to God, not backward from Him.

Can you please, please explain to me why people who do not believe in God should follow laws set by one religion's interpretation's of what this hypothetical God thinks?

[Farnhamia]

How about no and no? Progress means forward, not backward.

I prefer progress forward to God, not backward from Him.

*shrug* Feel free to live according to a Bronze Age vision of society. I'll live in the 21st century, thanks.

[New Molsona]

I'm half black...

And that excuses you... how?

Why would I want minorities' right to vote taken away when I'm one myself.

[Auralia]

An infertile couple is still capable of conjugal acts, and their relationship is still ordered towards childbearing, even if they never actually have children.

So marriage is some sort of quantum state now?

I'm not sure what you mean. The conjugal act remains ordered toward procreation even if procreation does not result from a particular conjugal act.

[Oneracon]

The relative newness of same-sex marriage and adoption means that there is no reliable peer-reviewed research on the subject.

Really? With a straight face?

Of course with a straight face, that's the only face that his facial muscles are intrinsically ordered to make.

[Threlizdun]

Again, being in a same-sex relationship doesn't mean you can't reproduce.

Any reproduction would require the intervention of a third party and the purposeful separation of a child from his or her biological parents.

I don't think you understand. Children want parents. They don't need biological parents, but just people to love and care for them.

[Oneracon]

And that excuses you... how?

Why would I want minorities' right to vote taken away when I'm one myself.

That is a very good question. I hope you think on that and use this opportunity to extend those thoughts to wider issues.

[New Molsona]

I prefer progress forward to God, not backward from Him.

Can you please, please explain to me why people who do not believe in God should follow laws set by one religion's interpretation's of what this hypothetical God thinks?

Well I'm sorry for trying to lower the chances of people like you going to hell.

[Threlizdun]

So marriage is some sort of quantum state now?

I'm not sure what you mean. The conjugal act remains ordered toward procreation even if procreation does not result from a particular conjugal act.

How the hell is it ordered toward something that will never happen?

[New Molsona]

Why would I want minorities' right to vote taken away when I'm one myself.

That is a very good question. I hope you think on that.

We're talking about the gays here, not black people

[The Emerald Dawn]

That is a very good question. I hope you think on that.

We're talking about the gays here, not black people

Though the two groups are not mutually exclusive.

[Oneracon]

That is a very good question. I hope you think on that.

We're talking about the gays here, not black people

Both are minorities. Are you trying to say that you only support civil rights when they benefit you?

[Auralia]

The relative newness of same-sex marriage and adoption means that there is no reliable peer-reviewed research on the subject.

Really? With a straight face?

Yes. The article you cited clearly states that "the widespread pattern of children being raised from infancy in two-parent gay or lesbian homes is relatively recent." Any conclusion about the impact of gay parenting on children is premature.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How about no and no? Progress means forward, not backward.

I prefer progress forward to God, not backward from Him.

God?! Is that how you justify not giving people under the law the same treatment as one of us?

Don't make me laugh. Using God as a justification to further antagonize people is a piss poor argument. Please don't bother into talking about any sort of morality.

[Ifreann]

It's scary how good I am at predicting the future, seriously. It might be witchcraft.

An infertile couple is still capable of conjugal acts, and their relationship is still ordered towards childbearing, even if they never actually have children.

Rather depends on just how they came to be infertile.

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How about no and no? Progress means forward, not backward.

I prefer progress forward to God, not backward from Him.

Well no one's asking you to sodomise anyone.

[Pandeeria]

Can you please, please explain to me why people who do not believe in God should follow laws set by one religion's interpretation's of what this hypothetical God thinks?

Well I'm sorry for trying to lower the chances of people like you going to hell.

If they don't believe in god, that point is completely invalid. I'm not going to participate on a thread jack if it occurs, but I'm going to put it out there that until god is proven real, that point holds no water.

[Auralia]

We're talking about the gays here, not black people

Both are minorities. Are you trying to say that you only support civil rights when they benefit you?

Pedophiles and mass murderers are also minorities. Are you saying that if a minority believes they are entitled to something, they should receive it simply because they are a minority?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Can you please, please explain to me why people who do not believe in God should follow laws set by one religion's interpretation's of what this hypothetical God thinks?

Well I'm sorry for trying to lower the chances of people like you going to hell.

Stop with the petty religious bullshit.

As a Christian, I take particular offense in being associated with people like you.

[The Tundra]

Again, being in a same-sex relationship doesn't mean you can't reproduce.

Any reproduction would require the intervention of a third party and the purposeful separation of a child from his or her biological parents.

you do know a sperm cell isn't an actual person?

[Ifreann]

Really? With a straight face?

Yes. The article you cited clearly states that "the widespread pattern of children being raised from infancy in two-parent gay or lesbian homes is relatively recent." Any conclusion about the impact of gay parenting on children is premature.

And yet you have concluded that it is inferior to "traditional" family structures.

[Olthar]

Can you please, please explain to me why people who do not believe in God should follow laws set by one religion's interpretation's of what this hypothetical God thinks?

Well I'm sorry for trying to lower the chances of people like you going to hell.

Did we ask for your help? No. So why don't you just let us sin in peace, alright?

[Sunawan]

Can you please, please explain to me why people who do not believe in God should follow laws set by one religion's interpretation's of what this hypothetical God thinks?

Well I'm sorry for trying to lower the chances of people like you going to hell.

Why are you evangelizing to people who aren't of your faith?

Talk about arrogance times eleven.

[Pandeeria]

Both are minorities. Are you trying to say that you only support civil rights when they benefit you?

Pedophiles and mass murderers are also minorities. Are you saying that if a minority believes they are entitled to something, they should receive it simply because they are a minority?

Deliberately oppressing a minority when they have not broke the law is bad. Comparing people like gays (at least I'm assuming you just did) to pedophiles and mass murders isn't that good of a comparison.

[Ifreann]

Well I'm sorry for trying to lower the chances of people like you going to hell.

Why are you evangelizing to people who aren't of your faith?

Talk about arrogance times eleven.

Be pretty redundant to evangelise to people who already believe what you do, wouldn't it? Literally preaching to the choir.