gender-neutral bathroom mandate? poll

[New-Phoenicia]

Just use whichever bathroom is more suitable for you based on your physical appearence (not sex or gender, but whether you look more male or female) because that it safer for you physically and means other people aren't scared you are some kind of pervert.
If you are one of those special snowflake agender/pangender/genderqueer tumblr mentally ill freaks then you don't deserve to use public toilets. There is no need to create a new toilet for a group that make up 0.001% of the population, and which very few of this group would actually use, as many can pass as their desired gender and would use male/female toilets anyway, or would be more worried about hygiene and safety in a toilet for anyone to use.

[Luveria]

Trans-gender = someone that pretends to be a gender they were not born as (sometimes they mutilate their genitals and get plastic surgery).

Woh woh, what?
What the fuck?

For one thing, despite my personal gripe against their inclusion in the definition, the definition as it currently stands includes Genderless persons, which makes this straight up wrong BEFORE we even get into the obvious bigotry injected into it.

(Since a genderless person does not pretend to be any gender at all.)

Going by the OP's logic, you're just pretending to not have a gender.

But onto the genders.
I have serious doubts that anyone is "Born" as ANY gender, as it's an identity process and babies don't strike me as having an identity beyond "Me" and "Everything Else."
In fact we go through a process at about age 2 where we suddenly realize that "me" does not include "everything else" and throw a tantrum about it.

That is what all evidence points to, which means a person's gender or lack of a gender is whatever they identify as and nothing more.

[Volstein]

No, that isn't even discussable. Rape would increase.

[Blasveck]

No, that isn't even discussable. Rape would increase.

I doubt rapists would care in the first place whether they walk into a girls (or boys) bathroom or not.

Your statement is therefore worth nil.

[Liriena]

If you are one of those special snowflake agender/pangender/genderqueer tumblr mentally ill freaks then you don't deserve to use public toilets.

Not cool, bro.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, that isn't even discussable. Rape would increase.

It would decrease, as we've pointed out.
1) Safety: This isn't the case. Rapists aren't going to obey gender segregation bathroom signs. In addition, by halving the number of people who go in and out of the room you cut in half the number of people capable of interrupting the act.

2) Privacy: How is your privacy violated any differently if its someone of the opposite sex compared to someone of the same sex? What about the person being the opposite sex violates your privacy, where if they were the same sex it wouldnt?

3) Organization: Currently queues can form for the bathroom before we reach 100% capacity, it's possible for there to be a queue at a mere 50% capacity. By desegregating we eliminate this problem. Organization is firmly on the side of desegregation.

4) Tradition: Tradition is not in itself an argument, and is a logical fallacy.

[Luveria]

No, that isn't even discussable. Rape would increase.

I like how you're implying men are inherently uncontrollable sex predators who will a rape a woman the moment they are alone in the same room. But for some reason, that argument only applies to washrooms and not any other number of places men and women can be in the same room.

Also, I do like how you're implying male rapists don't already hide in female washrooms?

Think before you post.

[Forster Keys]

We use them here at college for purely practical reasons. No real issues thus far.

[The Truth and Light]

"Rape would increase," is the most disgusting coded language I have seen.

If you gave a fuck about sexual assault against Trans* individuals, the solution you would choose would be fixing the bathroom problem. But that's not what this is about; this is about your regressive fear of trans* citizens. Get out of the public discourse.

[New-Phoenicia]

If you are one of those special snowflake agender/pangender/genderqueer tumblr mentally ill freaks then you don't deserve to use public toilets.

Not cool, bro.

They're just special snowflakes begging for attention. Being trans is scientifically proven to be a medical condition. You can have a male body but mentally be female. These genderqueers however have no proof, they just want to fuck up everyones beliefs and morals and spread degeneracy through their mental illness, if they do so purposefully or coincidentally due to the number of mental issues they usually have I cannot tell.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, that isn't even discussable. Rape would increase.

I like how you're implying men are inherently uncontrollable sex predators who will a rape a woman the moment they are alone in the same room. But for some reason, that argument only applies to washrooms and not any other number of places men and women can be in the same room.

Also, I do like how you're implying male rapists don't already hide in female washrooms?

Think before you post.

A room with lots of traffic even.
Clearly, we need gender segregated elevators.
Not only are men and women in the same room, but by gods, its a small one!
They might TOUCH eachother!

[Olthar]

Actually, ladies' restrooms tend to be messier because many women don't actually sit on the toilet and just hover over it, spraying shit everywhere.

Olthar, you made me laugh like never before.

Somehow, I found that funny.

You're welcome.

[Liriena]

Not cool, bro.

They're just special snowflakes begging for attention. Being trans is scientifically proven to be a medical condition. You can have a male body but mentally be female. These genderqueers however have no proof, they just want to fuck up everyones beliefs and morals and spread degeneracy through their mental illness, if they do so purposefully or coincidentally due to the number of mental issues they usually have I cannot tell.

I suppose you have a source?

[Luveria]

"Rape would increase," is the most disgusting coded language I have seen.

If you gave a fuck about sexual assault against Trans* individuals, the solution you would choose would be fixing the bathroom problem. But that's not what this is about; this is about your regressive fear of trans* citizens. Get out of the public discourse.

"Rape would increase" is a code-phrase for "I hate transgender people."

I like how you're implying men are inherently uncontrollable sex predators who will a rape a woman the moment they are alone in the same room. But for some reason, that argument only applies to washrooms and not any other number of places men and women can be in the same room.

Also, I do like how you're implying male rapists don't already hide in female washrooms?

Think before you post.

A room with lots of traffic even.
Clearly, we need gender segregated elevators.

Agreed. 1 minute in an elevator is more than enough time to get a quickie rape in. While we're at it, we need a 3rd elevator for lesbians & gays to use so they are protected from the risk of rape.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Rape would increase," is the most disgusting coded language I have seen.

If you gave a fuck about sexual assault against Trans* individuals, the solution you would choose would be fixing the bathroom problem. But that's not what this is about; this is about your regressive fear of trans* citizens. Get out of the public discourse.

"Rape would increase" is a code-phrase for "I hate transgender people."

A room with lots of traffic even.
Clearly, we need gender segregated elevators.

Agreed. 1 minute in an elevator is more than enough time to get a quickie rape in. While we're at it, we need a 3rd elevator for lesbians & gays to use so they are protected from the risk of rape.

I'm sure it's only a coincidence that bathrooms are thousands of years old and came about in humanities infancy when shit like Cooties was thought to be real, but Elevators are a modern invention where gender segregation would be laughed at as a proposal.
It's obviously a coincidence.
Nobody could possibly believe that if elevators came first we'd have Hers and His elevators and laugh just as hard at those wackos proposing gender segregated bathrooms.
After all, bathrooms are large. There is very little chance of people touching eachother and being overcome with raperage. Unlike those tempting and crampt elevators.

[New-Phoenicia]

They're just special snowflakes begging for attention. Being trans is scientifically proven to be a medical condition. You can have a male body but mentally be female. These genderqueers however have no proof, they just want to fuck up everyones beliefs and morals and spread degeneracy through their mental illness, if they do so purposefully or coincidentally due to the number of mental issues they usually have I cannot tell.

I suppose you have a source?

I could find you one, if you tell me specifically what information you want a source of. I'm posting from my phone so it might take a few minutes, but yeah I'll find one.

[Luveria]

"Rape would increase" is a code-phrase for "I hate transgender people."



Agreed. 1 minute in an elevator is more than enough time to get a quickie rape in. While we're at it, we need a 3rd elevator for lesbians & gays to use so they are protected from the risk of rape.

I'm sure it's only a coincidence that bathrooms are thousands of years old and came about in humanities infancy when shit like Cooties was thought to be real, but Elevators are a modern invention where gender segregation would be laughed at as a proposal.
It's obviously a coincidence.
Nobody could possibly believe that if elevators came first we'd have Hers and His elevators and laugh just as hard at those wackos proposing gender segregated bathrooms.
After all, bathrooms are large. There is very little chance of people touching eachother and being overcome with raperage. Unlike those tempting and crampt elevators.

The "rape would increase" crowd, seems to be misandrist. Their argument rests entirely on the premise that men will rape if they are alone in the same room as a woman. I find that offensive to humanity as a whole.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm sure it's only a coincidence that bathrooms are thousands of years old and came about in humanities infancy when shit like Cooties was thought to be real, but Elevators are a modern invention where gender segregation would be laughed at as a proposal.
It's obviously a coincidence.
Nobody could possibly believe that if elevators came first we'd have Hers and His elevators and laugh just as hard at those wackos proposing gender segregated bathrooms.
After all, bathrooms are large. There is very little chance of people touching eachother and being overcome with raperage. Unlike those tempting and crampt elevators.

The "rape would increase" crowd, seems to be misandrist. Their argument rests entirely on the premise that men will rape if they are alone in the same room as a woman. I find that offensive to humanity as a whole.

I agree. I don't find it at all surprising that these are typically the same people who are anti-trans. Bigotry comes in bundles. If you believe Gender effects a persons quality of character and personality, you're going to believe it about everyone. (Unless you are just crazy.)

[Farnhamia]

Just use whichever bathroom is more suitable for you based on your physical appearence (not sex or gender, but whether you look more male or female) because that it safer for you physically and means other people aren't scared you are some kind of pervert.
If you are one of those special snowflake agender/pangender/genderqueer tumblr mentally ill freaks then you don't deserve to use public toilets. There is no need to create a new toilet for a group that make up 0.001% of the population, and which very few of this group would actually use, as many can pass as their desired gender and would use male/female toilets anyway, or would be more worried about hygiene and safety in a toilet for anyone to use.

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[Seriong]

Just use whichever bathroom is more suitable for you based on your physical appearence (not sex or gender, but whether you look more male or female) because that it safer for you physically and means other people aren't scared you are some kind of pervert.
If you are one of those special snowflake agender/pangender/genderqueer tumblr mentally ill freaks then you don't deserve to use public toilets. There is no need to create a new toilet for a group that make up 0.001% of the population, and which very few of this group would actually use, as many can pass as their desired gender and would use male/female toilets anyway, or would be more worried about hygiene and safety in a toilet for anyone to use.

Is this a non-transphobic person that is still bigoted against deviant genders? Interesting. I still must ask, don't these people still have an appearance that would seem more female or more male, and thus fall under the idea you propose in your first sentence? If we disregard their sex and gender, and go on appearance then the rest of your post is irrelevant.

If you are a man (have a penis and XY chromosomes), you use the male bathroom. If you are a woman (have a vagina and XX chrosome), you use the female bathroom. Very, very simple. There is no need for politically correct bullshit like "gender-neutral bathrooms".

So, are they to simply shit on the floor in public? Surely that's more expensive and more dangerous to health than simply building another restroom.

Actually, ladies' restrooms tend to be messier because many women don't actually sit on the toilet and just hover over it, spraying shit everywhere.

Maybe, but they don't have a layer of piss on the floor

Personally, if a business wants to, I wouldn't care. They could simply transition those "family" restrooms no one uses, as there are changing stations in the other restrooms. It shouldn't be mandated though, that seems pointless. If a business chooses not to, I like the beginning of Phoenicia's reply. If you're MtF and passable, use the female's restroom, if they look in your stall to see your genitals, they're probably getting kicked out anyway.

[Seriong]

I suppose you have a source?

I could find you one, if you tell me specifically what information you want a source of. I'm posting from my phone so it might take a few minutes, but yeah I'll find one.

She wants you to show that genderqueer people are:
Mentally ill
Not 'real'

[Luveria]

I could find you one, if you tell me specifically what information you want a source of. I'm posting from my phone so it might take a few minutes, but yeah I'll find one.

She wants you to show that genderqueer people are:
Mentally ill
Not 'real'

It sounds exactly like the arguments against transgender people. This is a new one seeing a non-transphobic person against other genders like androgynes and bigenders.

But after seeing gays harassing transgender people, I'm not surprised by hypocritical bigotry anymore.

[Saiwania]

I'm curious as to how much as a percent are trans people? I was thinking that instead of building a third bathroom that it would be more practical to just let them use either the male or female bathrooms.

[Luveria]

I'm curious as to how much as a percent are trans people? I was thinking that instead of building a third bathroom that it would be more practical to just let them use either the male or female bathrooms.

That is already what transgender people do, and they generally don't want a third bathroom, because it doesn't make sense having a third bathroom when they already identify as a gender.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm curious as to how much as a percent are trans people? I was thinking that instead of building a third bathroom that it would be more practical to just let them use either the male or female bathrooms.

Suppose we're at an international airport in Germany circa 1940.

There are two bathrooms.

Germans and Austrians.

You have essentially proposed creating a third bathroom labeled "Jews" since Jews aren't REAL Germans or Austrians. (Something many of those Jews would take extreme offence at. Some of those Jews don't even identify as Jewish, but because of their birth status are classified as such. They think of themselves only as German/Austrian.)

I understand that you're trying so I don't think you realized what you were doing. That's how it looks/feels to me though. Hopefully that analogy shows you why a third bathroom is an unacceptable solution to this problem.