gender-neutral bathroom mandate? poll

[Des-Bal]

yeah, it sounds like the T are trying to co-opt the L, G, and B.

To be clear I was lumping in the LGBT alphabet soup into gay.

[Grenartia]

Your "evidence" was a blogger finding an article about a transgender person using the facilities of a locker room as was intended. One of the mothers complained. The teacher complained. The teacher realized this woman is transgender and was only using the facilities as intended, and nothing came of it. If you can't accept that your own source is showing the lives of transgendered people slowly getting better, then well... sucks to suck.

1. I'm not understanding how you fail to see the problem with a pre-op transexual walking around nude in a women's locker room. It's not as if we're talking about her using a stall in some public restroom here. 2. And, to make matters worse, she did so in a facility that children are known to frequent. 3. Does this mean any pervert who wants to expose their penis to children can just throw on a dress — oh, wait, that's not even necessary, is it? — and stride confidently into the girl's showers? 4. As for the woman apologizing, that is bizarre. I can only assume that she caved in to some serious P.C. pressure. Sad.

1. Yes. Tell us what the problem is with a WOMAN using a WOMEN'S locker room AS INTENDED.

2. It wasn't any more sexual than the usual lot of vagina-owners dressing and undressing in locker rooms.

3. Except, you know, by pretending to be trans*, you subject yourself to the oppression and harrassment trans* people regularly face. Besides, if you have a problem with acts of sexual harrassment in the locker room, instead of persecuting trans* people, why not go after people who actually do those acts?

4. Yes, it can't possibly be that she realized she made a mistake, oh no. It HAS to be some fucking conspiracy.

Can you explain to me the problem with someone who's confirmed a pre-op transsexual using the girl's locker room?

The big meaty cock dangling between said confirmed pre-op transexual's legs, my friend.

Yes. Some women have penises. This fact is NOT enough to justify oppressing them.

I don't view this as a gay rights thing.

yeah, it sounds like the T are trying to co-opt the L, G, and B.

Except its not "co-opting", when it fits in with the goals of LGBT rights.

[Armadrone]

I am for gender neutral bathroom everywhere. Just because not all people are male or female. One thing that people must understand is that sex and gender are two different things. Sex is physical appearance and what sexual organs you have. Gender is what is in your mind, how you feel. A person that has the gender of a male but the sex of a female is transgenderd person. (or vise versa) A person with gender of a male and sex of a male is sisgenderded person (same thing vise versa) If people are worried about male and females being in same restroom then we could have all three. A bathroom for males, females and gender neutral bathroom.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Why the obsession with urinals? Do you have one in your home? No? Then you don't need one in a public restroom, either.

[YahRite]

this raises an interesting question: could it be that some of the "men" who are oppressing women are actually women themselves?

[Condunum]

Why the obsession with urinals? Do you have one in your home? No? Then you don't need one in a public restroom, either.

Well hold on there, kitty. Why not unisex urinals? The purpose of the urinal is to speed up bathroom usage by using less space and allowing those who need to shit sit down while those who don't can just piss standing up. It's not impossible for women to do so, so unisex urinals could easily be a thing.

[Des-Bal]

Why the obsession with urinals? Do you have one in your home? No? Then you don't need one in a public restroom, either.

Because it's harder to miss? Congealed piss will coat every surface of a mens room without a urinal.

[Armadrone]

Pretty much this. No mandate for private business or anything, but fierce campaigning could get at least the pro-lgbt businesses to consider them.

I don't view this as a gay rights thing.

Its a transgender or non female/male gender right thing. And besides everyone goes to the bathroom its not a big deal. If people are that uncomfortable keep the the male and female bathrooms and add in gender neutral bathroom.

[YahRite]

Why the obsession with urinals? Do you have one in your home? No? Then you don't need one in a public restroom, either.

have you ever used a urinal? it's convenient. why do you care if someone wants to use a urinal?

[The Ruvynholt Dominion]

I'd support them as long as there are genders to bicker about... *grabs bolt cutters*

Also anyone else think the person between the man and handicapped individual might have drawn the short straw as far as art goes? I can't help but to think their body is formed like a pyramid.

[Condunum]

this raises an interesting question: could it be that some of the "men" who are oppressing women are actually women themselves?

Yes. It could and probably is so. I mean with all the anti-gay big names that have over the years been found with guys lips near their crotch... I'd say so.

[Des-Bal]

Its a transgender or non female/male gender right thing. And besides everyone goes to the bathroom its not a big deal. If people are that uncomfortable keep the the male and female bathrooms and add in gender neutral bathroom.

No it isn't.

[YahRite]

Why the obsession with urinals? Do you have one in your home? No? Then you don't need one in a public restroom, either.

Well hold on there, kitty. Why not unisex urinals? The purpose of the urinal is to speed up bathroom usage by using less space and allowing those who need to shit sit down while those who don't can just piss standing up. It's not impossible for women to do so, so unisex urinals could easily be a thing.

how would women use the urinals? would they have to turn around and squat? isn't it possible they could get urine all over themselves?

[Condunum]

Its a transgender or non female/male gender right thing. And besides everyone goes to the bathroom its not a big deal. If people are that uncomfortable keep the the male and female bathrooms and add in gender neutral bathroom.

No it isn't.

What sort of "thing" do you consider it?

[Des-Bal]

What sort of "thing" do you consider it?

A general sort of thing. I see no reason to associate it with any group.

[Condunum]

Well hold on there, kitty. Why not unisex urinals? The purpose of the urinal is to speed up bathroom usage by using less space and allowing those who need to shit sit down while those who don't can just piss standing up. It's not impossible for women to do so, so unisex urinals could easily be a thing.

how would women use the urinals? would they have to turn around and squat? isn't it possible they could get urine all over themselves?

I propose zippers that go lower. I don't have a vagina, so I can't tell you how that shit works in action.

[Des-Bal]

how would women use the urinals? would they have to turn around and squat? isn't it possible they could get urine all over themselves?

There are women who can pee standing straight up facing forward.

[Condunum]

What sort of "thing" do you consider it?

A general sort of thing. I see no reason to associate it with any group.

So just a general sort of "yeah, why isn't this a thing yet?" type thing?

[Des-Bal]

So just a general sort of "yeah, why isn't this a thing yet?" type thing?

Yup.

[Condunum]

So just a general sort of "yeah, why isn't this a thing yet?" type thing?

Yup.

Well yeah, I'm pretty sure I agree with you there.

[Orham]

The big meaty cock dangling between said confirmed pre-op transexual's legs, my friend.

Since we're discussing pre-op MtF's here, suppose she has already been undergoing hormone replacement therapy for some time and is relatively far along in her breast development. Should she now avoid entering locker rooms at all?

[Dusk_Kittens]

Show examples of when it has.

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/11/02/transgender-person-alleges-discrimination-after-being-asked-to-leave-womens-locker-room-where-he-exposed-himself-to-young-girls/

Hoax:

Here’s the nugget of truth to the story: two teens did claim to see Colleen Francis nude while in the Evergreen College sauna.

Here’s what may not have not heard:

The sauna area was off limits to the two teens.
Unless one specifically tries to see inside the sauna, you can’t view the people inside the sauna.
Colleen Francis AND her cisgender female friend were using the sauna together. They were sitting there talking.
At no point did Francis act to expose herself to children.
At no point was Francis walking around nude in the area where children were.

So, the actual story is that two 17 year olds went into an area they weren’t allowed, attempted to view the people in the sauna and saw Francis. The rest of what you’ve probably heard about this incident is, at this point, an urban myth.

My conversation with Todd Sprague, the Executive Director of College Relations was preceded by an email exchange which immediately brought into question everything I thought I know about this incident. Sprague wrote, “Unfortunately many news reports and online commentaries have chosen to take a sensational, and often inaccurate, path in characterizing what has and has not happened at Evergreen.” He went on to clarify, “On the occasion that sparked the media coverage, the individual in question was using the sauna, an area generally off limits to swim team members.” Sprague also made it clear that this was “one incident that occurred in September 2012, not multiple incidents” and that Francis was “covered up with a towel on the way to the sauna and when leaving it. ”

-- Source

[Grenartia]

The big meaty cock dangling between said confirmed pre-op transexual's legs, my friend.

Since we're discussing pre-op MtF's here, suppose she has already been undergoing hormone replacement therapy for some time and is relatively far along in her breast development. Should she now avoid entering locker rooms at all?

Good question.

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/11/02/transgender-person-alleges-discrimination-after-being-asked-to-leave-womens-locker-room-where-he-exposed-himself-to-young-girls/

Hoax:

Here’s the nugget of truth to the story: two teens did claim to see Colleen Francis nude while in the Evergreen College sauna.

Here’s what may not have not heard:

The sauna area was off limits to the two teens.
Unless one specifically tries to see inside the sauna, you can’t view the people inside the sauna.
Colleen Francis AND her cisgender female friend were using the sauna together. They were sitting there talking.
At no point did Francis act to expose herself to children.
At no point was Francis walking around nude in the area where children were.

So, the actual story is that two 17 year olds went into an area they weren’t allowed, attempted to view the people in the sauna and saw Francis. The rest of what you’ve probably heard about this incident is, at this point, an urban myth.

My conversation with Todd Sprague, the Executive Director of College Relations was preceded by an email exchange which immediately brought into question everything I thought I know about this incident. Sprague wrote, “Unfortunately many news reports and online commentaries have chosen to take a sensational, and often inaccurate, path in characterizing what has and has not happened at Evergreen.” He went on to clarify, “On the occasion that sparked the media coverage, the individual in question was using the sauna, an area generally off limits to swim team members.” Sprague also made it clear that this was “one incident that occurred in September 2012, not multiple incidents” and that Francis was “covered up with a towel on the way to the sauna and when leaving it. ”

-- Source

BUT! BUT! PERVERT TRANSGENDERS!!!

[YahRite]

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/11/02/transgender-person-alleges-discrimination-after-being-asked-to-leave-womens-locker-room-where-he-exposed-himself-to-young-girls/

Hoax:

Here’s the nugget of truth to the story: two teens did claim to see Colleen Francis nude while in the Evergreen College sauna.

Here’s what may not have not heard:

The sauna area was off limits to the two teens.
Unless one specifically tries to see inside the sauna, you can’t view the people inside the sauna.
Colleen Francis AND her cisgender female friend were using the sauna together. They were sitting there talking.
At no point did Francis act to expose herself to children.
At no point was Francis walking around nude in the area where children were.

So, the actual story is that two 17 year olds went into an area they weren’t allowed, attempted to view the people in the sauna and saw Francis. The rest of what you’ve probably heard about this incident is, at this point, an urban myth.

My conversation with Todd Sprague, the Executive Director of College Relations was preceded by an email exchange which immediately brought into question everything I thought I know about this incident. Sprague wrote, “Unfortunately many news reports and online commentaries have chosen to take a sensational, and often inaccurate, path in characterizing what has and has not happened at Evergreen.” He went on to clarify, “On the occasion that sparked the media coverage, the individual in question was using the sauna, an area generally off limits to swim team members.” Sprague also made it clear that this was “one incident that occurred in September 2012, not multiple incidents” and that Francis was “covered up with a towel on the way to the sauna and when leaving it. ”

-- Source

i dunno. someone said my source was dubious, and i don't see how yours is any better. if anything, it looks pretty biased.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Why the obsession with urinals? Do you have one in your home? No? Then you don't need one in a public restroom, either.

Because it's harder to miss? Congealed piss will coat every surface of a mens room without a urinal.

Does "congealed piss" coat every surface of a private home's restroom simply because men use it?

No?

Then your argument is invalid.