gender-neutral bathroom mandate? poll

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

Say what now.

Very unpleasant.

It's certainly worse, but it's like comparing stab wounds and gun shots. Both I'd rather go without.

Indeed. Well seriously, this leads us back to why gender segregaton exists... due to squick factors. Add the third bathroom for trans* who do not identify with the gender binary.

Well, it's not just disgust, or bathrooms would be segregated even moreso, between civilized human beings and whatever sort of foul creature does their business in everywhere BUT the toilet seat. Presumably the latter is put in some sort of pen.

[Taoju]

Very unpleasant.

Indeed. Well seriously, this leads us back to why gender segregaton exists... due to squick factors. Add the third bathroom for trans* who do not identify with the gender binary.

Well, it's not just disgust, or bathrooms would be segregated even moreso, between civilized human beings and whatever sort of foul creature does their business in everywhere BUT the toilet seat. Presumably the latter is put in some sort of pen.

Pee sprinkles by men would disgust women.

Seriously some guys need to learn to aim properly. >.>

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

Well, it's not just disgust, or bathrooms would be segregated even moreso, between civilized human beings and whatever sort of foul creature does their business in everywhere BUT the toilet seat. Presumably the latter is put in some sort of pen.

Pee sprinkles by men would disgust women.

Seriously some guys need to learn to aim properly. >.>

Pee sprinkles by women would disgust women. I know some of you hover. I know what you do.

[Luveria]

Cleanliness? You don't know about the filth of female bathrooms, do you?

Cackled thinking of Elizabeth II saying this.

You didn't answer this post you made earlier.

Bathrooms/restrooms should be segregated based on what genitals you have.

Why do you want to force these men to use the women's restroom?

I thought you were better than that, but no, you care more about what genitalia someone has than their gender and appearance.

That actively harms transgender people. This man shouldn't be told to use the women's room.

For the new system Lianhua proposed, lets have one restroom door with a penis on it, and the other with a vagina. That means FtMs use the vagina restroom until they get a penis, and MtFs use the penis restroom until they have had SRS. Intersex people can go into whichever restroom they want. People who have lost their genitalia aren't allowed to use any restroom. It will be enforced by having a genitalia inspector at the restroom entrance to have a look at everyone's genitalia before they can go in. Children will not be exempt from genitalia inspections.

What about the transgender females who don't ever want SRS, and thus will be forever forced to go into the men's restroom to get harassed by every man inside who will know the person is a transgender woman since the genitalia inspector forced them to use the men's room? As usual, these proposals of grouping people by their genitalia are nothing more than a less-than-subtle way to remind transgender people how hated they are.

[Taoju]

Pee sprinkles by men would disgust women.

Seriously some guys need to learn to aim properly. >.>

Pee sprinkles by women would disgust women. I know some of you hover. I know what you do.

I'm a guy but okay.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

Pee sprinkles by women would disgust women. I know some of you hover. I know what you do.

I'm a guy but okay.

I'm sorry I confused you with someone else. My apologies, I'm tired.

[Lost heros]

Glad to know my little poop joke was taken seriously. Anyway, as I can see I am not adequately expressing my opinion and it has turned into an argument, I shall leave the thread.

You realize this is a DEBATE sub-forum. And that the majority of the threads on this DEBATE sub-forum will be DEBATE threads. So you really shouldn't be surprised when your opinion brings up a DEBATE.

[Grenartia]

That actively harms transgender people. This man shouldn't be told to use the women's room.



1. Except there's more than two genders, and gender isn't based on sex.
2. And there's a need for more than two bathrooms.
3. The current system is very much broke, and needs fixing.
4. Doesn't mean we don't exist.

1. There are two genders determined by your sex chromosomes. 2. You get XX you're a female. You get XY you're a male. 3. If you have a sex change, boom you are now the opposite gender/sex. 4. Use the bathroom you have designated. 5. You were comfortable enough in your situation to switch your sex, now accept the life you are living and what comes with it. 6. You shouldn't be insecure in who you are. 7. I'm a straight male and I have no problem with that. That's me, that's who I am. 8. Does that make me a homophobe or a transsexualphobe(?). No. 9. But why should you get any special treatment just because you decided to accept how you are inside? That's the part people don't get. Once you accept it, stop getting up in our face about it all. 10. We're happy that you did it yes, but you don't deserve special treatment. 11. As for the people who don't accept you, well that's a hate crime if they harm you in anyway so bring it to the authorities.
(Note: Only the first two sentences are directed at the author of the quote.)

1. No. Sex is unrelated to gender. What's between your legs has nothing to do with what's between your ears.

2. Yes. Thats sex. Not gender.

3. The only thing SRS alters is sex. Gender remains unchanged. A woman born with a penis, and gets SRS is still a woman. Likewise, a woman with a penis who chooses not to get SRS is still a woman.

4. I'm an androgyne. Neither men's or women's rooms are right for me.

5. I've not had SRS, nor do I plan to. Thanks for baselessly assuming things about me, though. Real classy.

6. I'm not insecure at all. In fact, I'm more secure now that I've realized and acknowledged my gender identity than I was before.

7. Your sexual orientation and sex have nothing to do with this.

8. The proper term is transphobe, and no, your sex and sexual orientation have nothing to do with whether or not you're a transphobe. Your attitude, however, does.

9. I agree. I should be able to express myself as I am without having to worry about being beaten/raped/killed. That's the only real 'special treatment' anybody gets for being transgender. "Getting up in people's faces" is a gross misidentification of the action. Its called standing up for my right to be treated the same as everybody else. To stop being considered the punchline of demeaning jokes. To stop being misgendered and referred to with the wrong pronouns.

10. If people were really happy that "I did it", then this wouldn't exist.

11. Yeah, its a hate crime NOW, and only because people like myself "got in people's faces" as you put it. And just because its labeled a hate crime now, doesn't mean shit is automatically better for us, or that we're treated the same as everybody else. We still have to "get in people's faces" just to earn our basic human dignity.

EDIT:

Gender is a social construct and an identity with which someone identifies with. Sex is a biological characteristic. The two are NOT interchangeable.

Well then I apologize. I'll own my mistake. But my point still stands. Two sexes. 12. Choose one or the other of your own free will. Go to the bathroom which corresponds to your current physical sex. If you were comfortable enough to have a sex change then go to the bathroom of which you changed to. 13. Stalls are present in almost every bathroom. No one has to know your business. 14. You've accepted who you are and the majority of people will not bother you. 15. Don't ask for special treatment because you are different.

12. Why should a transwoman who hasn't yet gotten SRS (or doesn't want to get it) have to use the men's room, thus putting her at greater risk of assault?

13. If you acknowledge that stalls exist, then why are you so hellbent on putting trans* people at risk of bodily harm by forcing them to use the wrong bathroom? A transwoman (pre/non-SRS) using the women's room isn't going to be noticed by anybody else in the room, because, as you pointed out, there's these magical things called stalls.

14. But a significant minority WILL. Hell, a significant majority, even here on NSG, are opposed to trans* people using the proper restroom.

15. Its not asking for "special treatment" to demand the ability to be able to do the same things everybody else can do.

We're not asking for special treatment. All we ask is to be treated the same.

16. So don't be up in everyone's faces and I'm sure people will hardly tell the difference if you are transgender. Plus if I go to the bathroom honestly the most pressing issue is whether or not to completely destroy it when I go to take a dump. If people are really concerned whether or not that someone in there is transgendered well that just proves they're insecure about themselves. Get in, mind your own business, do your thing, get out. If everyone lives by that we're all fine and this frankly stupid argument of whether there should be gender-neutral bathrooms, goes away.

EDIT: I just want to address that I am no way against transsexuals, homosexuals, asexual, bisexuals, etc. This is just my opinion on the bathroom situation.

16. But we HAVE to be in order to actually be allowed to be treated the same. You're basically pulling the equivalent of telling racial equality advocates to stop pushing for racial equality.

Glad to know my little poop joke was taken seriously. Anyway, as 17. I can see I am not adequately expressing my opinion and it has turned into an argument, I shall leave the thread.

17. Except, you know, this is a DEBATE forum. That means whatever you post is going to be argued against.

[Dyakovo]

That actively harms transgender people. This man shouldn't be told to use the women's room.



1. Except there's more than two genders, and gender isn't based on sex.
2. And there's a need for more than two bathrooms.
3. The current system is very much broke, and needs fixing.
4. Doesn't mean we don't exist.

There are two genders determined by your sex chromosomes. You get XX you're a female. You get XY you're a male. If you have a sex change, boom you are now the opposite gender/sex. Use the bathroom you have designated. You were comfortable enough in your situation to switch your sex, now accept the life you are living and what comes with it. You shouldn't be insecure in who you are. I'm a straight male and I have no problem with that. That's me, that's who I am. Does that make me a homophobe or a transsexualphobe(?). No. But why should you get any special treatment just because you decided to accept how you are inside? That's the part people don't get. Once you accept it, stop getting up in our face about it all. We're happy that you did it yes, but you don't deserve special treatment. As for the people who don't accept you, well that's a hate crime if they harm you in anyway so bring it to the authorities.
(Note: Only the first two sentences are directed at the author of the quote.)

Gender=/=biological sex.

[Charzak]

Glad to know my little poop joke was taken seriously. Anyway, as I can see I am not adequately expressing my opinion and it has turned into an argument, I shall leave the thread.

You realize this is a DEBATE sub-forum. And that the majority of the threads on this DEBATE sub-forum will be DEBATE threads. So you really shouldn't be surprised when your opinion brings up a DEBATE.

Not what I meant. I was not adequately expressing my opinion on the matter which lead into a different argument then I intended.

1. There are two genders determined by your sex chromosomes. 2. You get XX you're a female. You get XY you're a male. 3. If you have a sex change, boom you are now the opposite gender/sex. 4. Use the bathroom you have designated. 5. You were comfortable enough in your situation to switch your sex, now accept the life you are living and what comes with it. 6. You shouldn't be insecure in who you are. 7. I'm a straight male and I have no problem with that. That's me, that's who I am. 8. Does that make me a homophobe or a transsexualphobe(?). No. 9. But why should you get any special treatment just because you decided to accept how you are inside? That's the part people don't get. Once you accept it, stop getting up in our face about it all. 10. We're happy that you did it yes, but you don't deserve special treatment. 11. As for the people who don't accept you, well that's a hate crime if they harm you in anyway so bring it to the authorities.
(Note: Only the first two sentences are directed at the author of the quote.)

1. No. Sex is unrelated to gender. What's between your legs has nothing to do with what's between your ears.

2. Yes. Thats sex. Not gender.

3. The only thing SRS alters is sex. Gender remains unchanged. A woman born with a penis, and gets SRS is still a woman. Likewise, a woman with a penis who chooses not to get SRS is still a woman.

4. I'm an androgyne. Neither men's or women's rooms are right for me.

5. I've not had SRS, nor do I plan to. Thanks for baselessly assuming things about me, though. Real classy.

6. I'm not insecure at all. In fact, I'm more secure now that I've realized and acknowledged my gender identity than I was before.

7. Your sexual orientation and sex have nothing to do with this.

8. The proper term is transphobe, and no, your sex and sexual orientation have nothing to do with whether or not you're a transphobe. Your attitude, however, does.

9. I agree. I should be able to express myself as I am without having to worry about being beaten/raped/killed. That's the only real 'special treatment' anybody gets for being transgender. "Getting up in people's faces" is a gross misidentification of the action. Its called standing up for my right to be treated the same as everybody else. To stop being considered the punchline of demeaning jokes. To stop being misgendered and referred to with the wrong pronouns.

10. If people were really happy that "I did it", then this wouldn't exist.

11. Yeah, its a hate crime NOW, and only because people like myself "got in people's faces" as you put it. And just because its labeled a hate crime now, doesn't mean shit is automatically better for us, or that we're treated the same as everybody else. We still have to "get in people's faces" just to earn our basic human dignity.

EDIT:

Well then I apologize. I'll own my mistake. But my point still stands. Two sexes. 12. Choose one or the other of your own free will. Go to the bathroom which corresponds to your current physical sex. If you were comfortable enough to have a sex change then go to the bathroom of which you changed to. 13. Stalls are present in almost every bathroom. No one has to know your business. 14. You've accepted who you are and the majority of people will not bother you. 15. Don't ask for special treatment because you are different.

12. Why should a transwoman who hasn't yet gotten SRS (or doesn't want to get it) have to use the men's room, thus putting her at greater risk of assault?

13. If you acknowledge that stalls exist, then why are you so hellbent on putting trans* people at risk of bodily harm by forcing them to use the wrong bathroom? A transwoman (pre/non-SRS) using the women's room isn't going to be noticed by anybody else in the room, because, as you pointed out, there's these magical things called stalls.

14. But a significant minority WILL. Hell, a significant majority, even here on NSG, are opposed to trans* people using the proper restroom.

15. Its not asking for "special treatment" to demand the ability to be able to do the same things everybody else can do.

16. So don't be up in everyone's faces and I'm sure people will hardly tell the difference if you are transgender. Plus if I go to the bathroom honestly the most pressing issue is whether or not to completely destroy it when I go to take a dump. If people are really concerned whether or not that someone in there is transgendered well that just proves they're insecure about themselves. Get in, mind your own business, do your thing, get out. If everyone lives by that we're all fine and this frankly stupid argument of whether there should be gender-neutral bathrooms, goes away.

EDIT: I just want to address that I am no way against transsexuals, homosexuals, asexual, bisexuals, etc. This is just my opinion on the bathroom situation.

16. But we HAVE to be in order to actually be allowed to be treated the same. You're basically pulling the equivalent of telling racial equality advocates to stop pushing for racial equality.

Glad to know my little poop joke was taken seriously. Anyway, as 17. I can see I am not adequately expressing my opinion and it has turned into an argument, I shall leave the thread.

17. Except, you know, this is a DEBATE forum. That means whatever you post is going to be argued against.

No actually you don't need to be up in my face about anything. Do I go over to you and brag about how great heterosexuality is? No. It's your choice to do these things (at least partially). Anyway you took the comment as a direct insult to you which it wasn't so get off my back. Why should you have a separate bathroom? Just because you are "different"? No. Its a waste to mandate that their be gender neutral bathrooms when we already have bathrooms for the two sexes. Pick one and stop fussing, really if you have to go that bad does it matter? Oh so you'll get a few strange looks or be yelled at? So what? If you are happy with yourself, it shouldn't bother you. But if it does, maybe hold it until you get home? Wear diapers? Obviously I am kidding there but if its that bad, just go! Don't TG me again please its rather annoying because frankly, I said what I had to say and I could care less of what you think of my opinion.

There are two genders determined by your sex chromosomes. You get XX you're a female. You get XY you're a male. If you have a sex change, boom you are now the opposite gender/sex. Use the bathroom you have designated. You were comfortable enough in your situation to switch your sex, now accept the life you are living and what comes with it. You shouldn't be insecure in who you are. I'm a straight male and I have no problem with that. That's me, that's who I am. Does that make me a homophobe or a transsexualphobe(?). No. But why should you get any special treatment just because you decided to accept how you are inside? That's the part people don't get. Once you accept it, stop getting up in our face about it all. We're happy that you did it yes, but you don't deserve special treatment. As for the people who don't accept you, well that's a hate crime if they harm you in anyway so bring it to the authorities.
(Note: Only the first two sentences are directed at the author of the quote.)

Gender=/=biological sex.

Already been corrected and I apologized for it so thanks.

And with that, I retire.

[KungYo]

Gender neutral already get to choose in some states in the US. Bending over backwards to provide a whole other bathroom seems quite much.

[Grenartia]

1. No. Sex is unrelated to gender. What's between your legs has nothing to do with what's between your ears.

2. Yes. Thats sex. Not gender.

3. The only thing SRS alters is sex. Gender remains unchanged. A woman born with a penis, and gets SRS is still a woman. Likewise, a woman with a penis who chooses not to get SRS is still a woman.

4. I'm an androgyne. Neither men's or women's rooms are right for me.

5. I've not had SRS, nor do I plan to. Thanks for baselessly assuming things about me, though. Real classy.

6. I'm not insecure at all. In fact, I'm more secure now that I've realized and acknowledged my gender identity than I was before.

7. Your sexual orientation and sex have nothing to do with this.

8. The proper term is transphobe, and no, your sex and sexual orientation have nothing to do with whether or not you're a transphobe. Your attitude, however, does.

9. I agree. I should be able to express myself as I am without having to worry about being beaten/raped/killed. That's the only real 'special treatment' anybody gets for being transgender. "Getting up in people's faces" is a gross misidentification of the action. Its called standing up for my right to be treated the same as everybody else. To stop being considered the punchline of demeaning jokes. To stop being misgendered and referred to with the wrong pronouns.

10. If people were really happy that "I did it", then this wouldn't exist.

11. Yeah, its a hate crime NOW, and only because people like myself "got in people's faces" as you put it. And just because its labeled a hate crime now, doesn't mean shit is automatically better for us, or that we're treated the same as everybody else. We still have to "get in people's faces" just to earn our basic human dignity.

EDIT:



12. Why should a transwoman who hasn't yet gotten SRS (or doesn't want to get it) have to use the men's room, thus putting her at greater risk of assault?

13. If you acknowledge that stalls exist, then why are you so hellbent on putting trans* people at risk of bodily harm by forcing them to use the wrong bathroom? A transwoman (pre/non-SRS) using the women's room isn't going to be noticed by anybody else in the room, because, as you pointed out, there's these magical things called stalls.

14. But a significant minority WILL. Hell, a significant majority, even here on NSG, are opposed to trans* people using the proper restroom.

15. Its not asking for "special treatment" to demand the ability to be able to do the same things everybody else can do.



16. But we HAVE to be in order to actually be allowed to be treated the same. You're basically pulling the equivalent of telling racial equality advocates to stop pushing for racial equality.



17. Except, you know, this is a DEBATE forum. That means whatever you post is going to be argued against.

1. No actually you don't need to be up in my face about anything. 2. Do I go over to you and brag about how great heterosexuality is? No. It's your choice to do these things (at least partially). Anyway you took the comment as a direct insult to you which it wasn't so get off my back. 3. Why should you have a separate bathroom? Just because you are "different"? 4. No. Its a waste to mandate that their be gender neutral bathrooms when we already have bathrooms for the two sexes. 5. Pick one and stop fussing, really if you have to go that bad does it matter? 6. Oh so you'll get a few strange looks or be yelled at? So what? If you are happy with yourself, it shouldn't bother you. 7. But if it does, maybe hold it until you get home? Wear diapers? Obviously I am kidding there but if its that bad, just go!

1. Yes, I kind of do, because its the only way to get you to recognize the injustices against trans* people.

2. Except, we're not bragging. We're telling you that we're being treated like shit, and that if you respect basic human dignity, you'd help stand against the bullshit we face daily.

3. No. For our safety.

4. So its a "waste" for us to know that we're safe to shit and piss in gender-neutral facilities? Is ensuring basic human dignity a "waste" now?

5. Yes, when my personal safety is on the fucking line, it DOES matter.

6. Except, its more than that. Beatings, rapes, murders. This shit happens to transgender people who are deemed to have used the "wrong" bathroom.

7. Except, the lack of gender neutral facilities (where a trans* person can feel safe pissing/shitting) has literally caused several people to have to go to the ER from "holding it". The source I linked to earlier (which I'm guessing you haven't even attempted to read) states that very clearly.

[Grenartia]

Gender neutral already get to choose in some states in the US. Bending over backwards to provide a whole other bathroom seems quite much.

But not all. And that's a problem, especially for those of us who don't live near any areas with gender neutral facilities near where we work/study (which is most people).

Also, its not "too much" when personal safety is on the line.

[Dyakovo]

Gender neutral already get to choose in some states in the US. Bending over backwards to provide a whole other bathroom seems quite much.

Who's suggesting that?
We're suggesting making all restrooms gender-neutral.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) manifests as a male, due to the presence of the male human sex chromosome (Y).

Tell that to Caroline Cossey (a.k.a. Tula).

[The Emerald Dawn]

Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) manifests as a male, due to the presence of the male human sex chromosome (Y).

Tell that to Caroline Cossey (a.k.a. Tula).

TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

</Origin: Spirits of the Past>

[KungYo]

Gender neutral already get to choose in some states in the US. Bending over backwards to provide a whole other bathroom seems quite much.

Who's suggesting that?
We're suggesting making all restrooms gender-neutral.

*Peeing at a urinal*


*Susan walks in*


Oh...hey Susan.


It just seems a bit taboo to create public unisex bathrooms, not the mention the sexual assault rise that will obviously be outrageous.

[Aurora Novus]

Who's suggesting that?
We're suggesting making all restrooms gender-neutral.

*Peeing at a urinal*


*Susan walks in*


Oh...hey Susan.

Ask yourself, truly ask yourself, why that should be concerning to the rational mind.

If you can't give me an answer, then obviously it's an irrational discomfort, which will go away with exposure. A non-issue.

It just seems a bit taboo to create public unisex bathrooms, not the mention the sexual assault rise that will obviously be outrageous.

Do you have any serious reason to think this will happen? Or are you just spouting whatever infalamtory nonsense you can come up with? Doubling the number of potential bodies in a room at a given time can only decrease sexual assault.

[Neutraligon]

Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) manifests as a male, due to the presence of the male human sex chromosome (Y).

Tell that to Caroline Cossey (a.k.a. Tula).

YUMM

[KungYo]

*Peeing at a urinal*


*Susan walks in*


Oh...hey Susan.

Ask yourself, truly ask yourself, why that should be concerning to the rational mind.

If you can't give me an answer, then obviously it's an irrational discomfort, which will go away with exposure. A non-issue.

It just seems a bit taboo to create public unisex bathrooms, not the mention the sexual assault rise that will obviously be outrageous.

Do you have any serious reason to think this will happen? Or are you just spouting whatever infalamtory nonsense you can come up with? Doubling the number of potential bodies in a room at a given time can only decrease sexual assault.

I completely understand why one might think that sharing bathrooms is a completely normal activity. However, the general consensus according to this very poll we are referring to, demon-straits an overwhelming majority of support towards my train of thought. I am, however, not claiming my train of thought to be the correct one, just the one that I have decided upon by myself by weighing it out in my own head. Just because I do not agree with your thought process, also does not mean I am wrong. It is THUS called, an opinion my good sir.

But on to what you said; In today's day and age if a man were to take a stroll into a woman's facility immediate flags would be raised. Allow me to branch off for a second and give you a well documented statistic;

"In the United States, someone is raped or sexually assaulted every two minutes" (Source Here)
So now that you know the statistic, take a peek at where many of these assaults happen, bathrooms. I am going to just point out that since you did refer to the bathroom as a common place to attend, why do so many of these tragic assaults happen within the restrooms themselves? It must obviously then be that the restroom is an easy place to target unsuspecting women for rape and sexual assault.

Now, back to what I was saying;

Since an immediate flag is raised when John follows Susan into the restroom, it can be easily concluded that mixing the two restrooms to one, gender neutral restroom would lead to a rise in sexual assault cases.

NOW, I do understand that neutral single stall bathrooms do exist already. I have no problem with this because they are exactly that "single stall" bathrooms. Creating a whole new system of restrooms labeled 'YOU PICK!" or "Neutral" makes no sense to me due to the fact that you're either male, or you're female. OR you're either mentally male, or mentally female. "Both" just doesn't make much evolutionary or biological sense. Thanks for asking me to expand further upon my reasoning, we should do it again some time.

[Dazchan]

"In the United States, someone is raped or sexually assaulted every two minutes" (Source Here)
So now that you know the statistic, take a peek at where many of these assaults happen, bathrooms.

Actually, your own source says:

Half of all rapes and sexual assaults take place in the victim’s home or within one mile of home: 40 percent occur in the home, 20 percent occur in a friend, relative, or neighbor’s home, and 1 in 12 occur in a parking garage.

So 40% occur at home, 20% at a friend's home and 8% occur at a parking garage. 32% occur in places excluded from your source's list. Restrooms aren't mentioned at all.

[Optimissimus]

Why don't we just make all bathrooms be gender-neutral? Sex segregation, contrary to popular belief, doesn't actually serve a purpose besides isolating people. I know because I'm transgender (a masculine kid with female parts). I don't feel comfortable using women's bathrooms, but I know that I could get beaten up for using the men's bathrooms, so I advocate for gender neutral bathrooms everywhere.

[AiliailiA]

Ask yourself, truly ask yourself, why that should be concerning to the rational mind.

If you can't give me an answer, then obviously it's an irrational discomfort, which will go away with exposure. A non-issue.





Do you have any serious reason to think this will happen? Or are you just spouting whatever infalamtory nonsense you can come up with? Doubling the number of potential bodies in a room at a given time can only decrease sexual assault.

I completely understand why one might think that sharing bathrooms is a completely normal activity. However, the general consensus according to this very poll we are referring to, demon-straits an overwhelming majority of support towards my train of thought.

58% isn't an "overwhelming" majority. Furthermore it's possible to reach the same conclusion without following your "train of thought": for instance, a person could oppose the mandate on the grounds of cost (to businesses or to government), while explicitly rejecting your claim that unisex bathrooms would increase sexual assaults.

[Lost heros]

Who's suggesting that?
We're suggesting making all restrooms gender-neutral.

*Peeing at a urinal*


*Susan walks in*


Oh...hey Susan.

But it's completely ok for Bob to walk in amirite? Furthermore, why do we even have urinals? Stalls have more privacy and more functions.

It just seems a bit taboo to create public unisex bathrooms, not the mention the sexual assault rise that will obviously be outrageous.

Are you honestly saying that rapists wouldn't be able to walk in to the restroom of the opposite gender?

[Dyakovo]

Who's suggesting that?
We're suggesting making all restrooms gender-neutral.

*Peeing at a urinal*
*Susan walks in*
Oh...hey Susan.

It just seems a bit taboo to create public unisex bathrooms, not the mention the sexual assault rise that will obviously be outrageous.

There wouldn't be any urinals.
Source that sexual assaults would rise?