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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:45 am

Tsmida Eri wrote:These people are fools if they think this will work, Liberalism has already destroyed America, there's no going back now. We're doomed to be a nation of ignorance and chaos, a true anarchy if ever there was one. At least countries like Russia are still sensible and enlightened... for the moment.

Perhaps you should double check. As I was last aware, Russia has an abysmal human rights record, poor civil rights, and was lagging far behind the States. Furthermore, I could have sworn the US still existed, and benefits from its arena of political difference.

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Postby Resora » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:46 am

Tsmida Eri wrote:These people are fools if they think this will work, Liberalism has already destroyed America, there's no going back now. We're doomed to be a nation of ignorance and chaos, a true anarchy if ever there was one. At least countries like Russia are still sensible and enlightened... for the moment.

If only it would lead towards anarchism...that would be a massive step in the right direction.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:47 am

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:No, it's not okay because their opinion directly causes harm to others.

This is not difficult.

Bluth, stop. It's not harmful. It's stupid, it's immature, it's juvenile and it's irrational, but it's not harmful. Harmful would be the senators listening to them and trying to "do what Russia did" as they seem to want. You are not a champion of freedom if you think that this is okay to ban. That's a fucking thought crime.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:47 am

Lost heros wrote:
Tsmida Eri wrote:These people are fools if they think this will work, Liberalism has already destroyed America, there's no going back now. We're doomed to be a nation of ignorance and chaos, a true anarchy if ever there was one. At least countries like Russia are still sensible and enlightened... for the moment.

What? How will allowing gays getting married lead to anarchy?

Because using the legislative process to increase civil rights in a democratic way is totes chaotic, lmao.

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Postby Condunum » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:49 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Tsmida Eri wrote:These people are fools if they think this will work, Liberalism has already destroyed America, there's no going back now. We're doomed to be a nation of ignorance and chaos, a true anarchy if ever there was one. At least countries like Russia are still sensible and enlightened... for the moment.

Perhaps you should double check. As I was last aware, Russia has an abysmal human rights record, poor civil rights, and was lagging far behind the States. Furthermore, I could have sworn the US still existed, and benefits from its arena of political difference.

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Postby Lost heros » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:49 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Lost heros wrote:What? How will allowing gays getting married lead to anarchy?

Because using the legislative process to increase civil rights in a democratic way is totes chaotic, lmao.

Oh yeah. How could I forget?
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Postby Menassa » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:49 am

Tsmida Eri wrote:
Menassa wrote:By allowing homosexuals to have rights we will be doomed?

What's the math there?


There is no math there, because that's not math. You're not making any sense.

And yes, we will be doomed, doomed to be a cesspool of ignorance to how things are supposed to work, a breeding pit for sin, a nation for Satan.

Okay, so the problem with allowing homosexual rights is it will increase sin?
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Postby Soul Edge » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:53 am

Condunum wrote:"I am a devout Christian, a Fascist, a Conservative, and a Patriotic American. Get over it."

You could make the Starbursts commercial with that sort of contradiction.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:58 am

Soul Edge wrote:
Condunum wrote:"I am a devout Christian, a Fascist, a Conservative, and a Patriotic American. Get over it."

You could make the Starbursts commercial with that sort of contradiction.
There is already a commercial for that, it is called the tea party movement. :p

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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:58 am

Let them exercise their rights to free speech and assembly. Then, sit back and laugh at their impending failure. It isn't as though they're lobbying anyone who isn't in line with them to begin with.
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Postby Gallup » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:02 pm

This OP is as balanced as me while ice skating. This bias is so thick you need a knife to cut it.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:04 pm

Gallup wrote:This OP is as balanced as me while ice skating. This bias is so thick you need a knife to cut it.

Bias towards reality is generally a good thing.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:04 pm

Gallup wrote:This OP is as balanced as me while ice skating. This bias is so thick you need a knife to cut it.

Well, yeah. It's an opinion post with a protocol at the end to share agreements and/or misgivings.

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Postby Gallup » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:06 pm

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Gallup wrote:This OP is as balanced as me while ice skating. This bias is so thick you need a knife to cut it.

Bias towards reality is generally a good thing.

Hah. Never heard that before. Ever.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:10 pm

Gallup wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Bias towards reality is generally a good thing.

Hah. Never heard that before. Ever.

You could learn from their example. That, or you could continue to deny that the psychiatric community actually knows anything about mental health.
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Postby Caecuser » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:10 pm

Tsmida Eri wrote:
Menassa wrote:By allowing homosexuals to have rights we will be doomed?

What's the math there?


There is no math there, because that's not math. You're not making any sense.

And yes, we will be doomed, doomed to be a cesspool of ignorance to how things are supposed to work, a breeding pit for sin, a nation for Satan.


There is no set and permanent "way that things are supposed to work" despite what your faith might tell you. I don't care if allowing Human rights is making America or other countries "nations of Satan" because Satan does not exist.

The religious viewpoint taken to this extreme is outdated and useless - utterly trivial in the amount of importance it should have because it is not grounded in reality.

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Postby Gallup » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:11 pm

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Gallup wrote:Hah. Never heard that before. Ever.

You could learn from their example. That, or you could continue to deny that the psychiatric community actually knows anything about mental health.

I said that when?
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Postby Menassa » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:13 pm

Caecuser wrote:
Tsmida Eri wrote:
There is no math there, because that's not math. You're not making any sense.

And yes, we will be doomed, doomed to be a cesspool of ignorance to how things are supposed to work, a breeding pit for sin, a nation for Satan.


There is no set and permanent "way that things are supposed to work" despite what your faith might tell you. I don't care if allowing Human rights is making America or other countries "nations of Satan" because Satan does not exist.

The religious viewpoint taken to this extreme is outdated and useless - utterly trivial in the amount of importance it should have because it is not grounded in reality.

In any case, Satan is a servant of God... so it would be a nation of God... which I assume our friend would want.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:37 pm

Gallup wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:You could learn from their example. That, or you could continue to deny that the psychiatric community actually knows anything about mental health.

I said that when?

When you have routinely rejected trans rights and declared sources supporting them to be unfairly biased.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:47 pm

Tsmida Eri wrote:These people are fools if they think this will work, Liberalism has already destroyed America, there's no going back now. We're doomed to be a nation of ignorance and chaos, a true anarchy if ever there was one. At least countries like Russia are still sensible and enlightened... for the moment.

So, because we are now treating people equally, we're doomed to chaos?
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Postby Condunum » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:47 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Gallup wrote:This OP is as balanced as me while ice skating. This bias is so thick you need a knife to cut it.

Bias towards reality is generally a good thing.

I wouldn't call demanding the squelching of rights a good thing.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:55 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Gallup wrote:I said that when?

When you have routinely rejected trans rights and declared sources supporting them to be unfairly biased.

Woah, what the fuck? Do a little bit of research on the poster first. On a quick* search of his posts, transsexual doesn't pop up once, and his only mentioning of his position when trans is hilited is "I'm on the fence about Trans issues, but at least I [now] know more" and "To me, Having a penis = Being Male. I need to read up more about gender, though."

Literally not at all an aggressive or anti-trans stance, just one where he openly acknowledges he doesn't know much about the issue.

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Postby ALMF » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:17 pm

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ALMF wrote:If true, then religion is a crime agenst humanity that should be excised.


I wouldn't say religion is a crime against humanity..just the people who abuse it for their own agenda are.

I said IF what the poster said was true.
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Postby Conservative Conservationists » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:18 pm

So the OP is concerned that someone with a different opinion than their own gets to express it. Either ban all groups from contacting politicians or ban none.
People have different points of view, get over it.

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Postby ALMF » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:31 pm

Soul Edge wrote:
Condunum wrote:"I am a devout Christian, a Fascist, a Conservative, and a PatrioticNationalistic American. Get over it."

You could make the Starbursts commercial with that sort of contradiction.

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